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[AJG]

2 hours ago, grim22 said:

MoS is the single most influential CBM of the past decade in that respect.

 

Look at all the CBMs which came after it - every single one had it's climax in a non-descript completely abandoned location or had a lot of dialogue implying locations are empty or evacuated (see: Guardians 1, BvS, way too many things in Ultron). All major fights and setpieces are all set such that there will be no civilians ever put in danger.

 

It swung everything to an extreme thanks to online complaining. No one wants to stop a movie to try and deal with fallouts of superhero battles to appease online fans, so they just decided to stop making it an issue with CYA lines and settings.

 

People forget this. MOS is super influential for this. Remember the Pacific Rim sequel where they added citywide subterranean elevators to evacuate the city?

[DlAMONDZ]

I gotta commend The Rock for trying his hardest with the marketing of this movie

 

After that first boring trailer (imo), every subsequent ad has been action packed and filled with one liners to hook in casuals. If it doesn't work out... Blue Beetle and the like are DOA

Edited October 9, 2022 by DlAMONDZ

[TheNextNolan22]

47 minutes ago, AJG said:

 

People forget this. MOS is super influential for this. Remember the Pacific Rim sequel where they added citywide subterranean elevators to evacuate the city?

That one was especially egregious. It's one thing to complain about unseen casualties in capeshit but in a Kaiju movie? Nah that's should be par for the course I fear

Edited October 9, 2022 by TheNextNolan22

[Dbui8743]

I just rewatched MoS and kept wondering what people expect when 2 superbeings fight. Everything is cardboard box from their perspectives, they could fall and a building got destroyed. 
It was the most realistic portrayal if 2 supermen go to blows.

[Ozymandias]

6 hours ago, excel1 said:

Anyone who doesn't think WB listened to the critics who complained of disaster porn in MOS, remember they actually had Anderson Cooper say "Fortunately the downtown area is completely deserted since the work day is over" in BVS. That line was without question forced into the film as a way of getting those critics to shut up. 

 

hahahahahahahaha

 

lmao

[excel1]

1 hour ago, Dbui8743 said:

I just rewatched MoS and kept wondering what people expect when 2 superbeings fight. Everything is cardboard box from their perspectives, they could fall and a building got destroyed. 
It was the most realistic portrayal if 2 supermen go to blows.

 

It's more of a thing where when bad super powered being throws a oil tanker at Superman, he should catch it and prevent further damage, instead of hurdling it and posing in front the explosion that occurred when the truck slammed into the building behind him. This was absolutely one of the dumbest, most non-Superman moments of the film:

 

 

MOS has some incredible pros and some cringeworthy, puzzling cons. The entire 3rd act is a mess. This film feels 1 more rewrite away from being significantly better than it ultimately was. BVS took the problems and ran wild with them. Instead of "Luthor kidnapped my Mom and says I have to kill you in order to save her, want to help me defeat him!?", we got "Bruce...wait...listen...stop...hold on....now, now....".

 

Such a remarkably poorly executed film. 

Edited October 9, 2022 by excel1

[Jeight]

14 hours ago, excel1 said:

 

This is exactly why it is fair to say that DC is a mixed bag, though. They are actively using that era's Wonder woman and Aquabro characters, and their first solo films were gigantic successes. They are releasing that era's version of Flash next year in a film that is widely hyped. There clearly were successful components of that era, that isn't arguable. 

 

Obviously BvS and especially JL were epic flops, but it is an oversimplification to say everything about them needed to be redone. That has already been proven incorrect.

Is flash really widely hyped?  I have a lot of doubts about that. And of course in a franchise with 10 there will be elements that are well received. Even those aren't enough.  Aquaman reviews were mixed and the test screenings for the sequel indicate that it's worse than the first one. 

 

And WW was followed by ww84 soooooo.... 

[lorddemaxus]

7 minutes ago, Jeight said:

Aquaman reviews were mixed and the test screenings for the sequel indicate that it's worse than the first one. 

Audiences loved Aquaman and they'll love the second one too. Stay mad ❤️ 

[dax33]

Critics and audience are fine with destruction as long as you show the hero actually care, which wasn't the case with Man of Steel.

[Jeight]

2 hours ago, lorddemaxus said:

Audiences loved Aquaman and they'll love the second one too. Stay mad ❤️ 

Audiences didn't love aquaman and the second one will have a far more tepid response 

 

Also avengers is by far the most influential cbm of the past decade. Its what started the mania of every studio trying to create a shared universe 

Edited October 10, 2022 by Jeight

[The Wild Eric]

5 minutes ago, Jeight said:

Audiences didn't love aquaman and the second one will have a far more tepid response 

 

Also avengers is by far the most influential cbm of the past decade. Its what started the mania of every studio trying to create a shared universe 

Okay.

[Cooper Legion]

17 minutes ago, Jeight said:

Audiences didn't love aquaman and the second one will have a far more tepid response 

 

Also avengers is by far the most influential cbm of the past decade. Its what started the mania of every studio trying to create a shared universe 

TA more than a decade ago though  

 

 

Edited October 10, 2022 by Legion By Night

[YM!]

1 hour ago, Jeight said:

Audiences didn't love aquaman and the second one will have a far more tepid response 

Did Jason Momoa pee in your cereal or something?

[NamakFiskKa]

18 hours ago, Jeight said:

WB wouldnt use an event like Flashpoint to reboot the entire thing lmao

A new solo movie of Gal WW , atleast 2 Aquaman movie from Momoa , a solo Cavill project , characters from Suicide Squad both from new/old movies will reappear and Affleck Batman will end up having cameo in some of them.

 

All above mentioned things will happen in just 3-4yrs after this Flash movie so...

[TwoMisfits]

3 hours ago, dax33 said:

Critics and audience are fine with destruction as long as you show the hero actually care, which wasn't the case with Man of Steel.

 

100% - the reason people were upset with MoS was Superman didn't give a damn about civilians getting killed from the destruction, even when he could have stopped it, not that there WAS destruction...one key scene that blew my mind was when Superman ducked when an oil tanker got thrown at him, knowing it was going to destroy a city building, but not caring.

 

If anyone on this film "got" the character, Superman catches the tanker...100 times out of 100.  But somehow, in MoS, the movie people didn't know that.

Edited October 10, 2022 by TwoMisfits

[NamakFiskKa]

Spoiler

 

 

[John Marston]

23 hours ago, excel1 said:

 

There is 100% revisionist history going on here with some regarding the performance of the films, but I also think you are over simplifying it a bit. Number never lie with regards to how to a particular film performed, for sure, but 1) context is certainly needed to fully understand, and 2) certain elements of films can be well received - and show potential for greater things in the future - than the whole of that individual film. Henry Cavill was well-received in the role in both films, particularly MOS. It is absolutely accurate to say that in the mainstream, Zack Snyder received the vast majority of the criticism for MOS and especially BvS reception. MOS was not the Superman film that most people wanted, though Cavill clearly showed that he could be the Superman that people wanted. Henry Cavil's popularity has only grown since his time as Superman as well. 

 

Man of Steel's WOM was not great nor was it terrible. It's atrocious 2nd weekend drop is mores due to horrendous scheduling by WB than anything else. MONSTERS U + WWZ opened in MOS 2nd weekend, targeting its direct demo. Those 2 films combined for $147m that weekend, totaling $470m domestic $1.3b global  - of course MOS was going to tank. Yes, a better film would have held a bit better, but MOS box office legs were always going to be subpar due to the positioning. It is a perfectly reasonable "hindsight is 20/20" claim to say that if MOS opened in July, where WB opted to open PACIFIC RIM instead, MOS easily clears $300m domestic and likely finishes in with a very solid $750-800mish range global. No, it would not be over $1 billion, but it is obviously well ahead of all of Marvel's solo efforts to date aside from IRON MAN 3 which obviously benefited hugely from AVENGERS .

 

The BIG lesson here moving forward, as demonstrated recently with THE BATMAN, is that the choice for DIRECTOR is an especially important piece of legitimizing a potential MAN OF STEEL 2. It has to be someone with a resume that the internet fanboy crowd considers worthy of artistic integrity, yet it also has to be mainstream. Whether WB does keep Cavill or start over with Jacob Elordi, the director pick has to be a respected name. 

 

IF they nabbed a Chris McQuirie type (or even, dare I say, Rain Johnson, Brad Bird or JJ Abrams), I think the film gets taken seriously and stands a chance at being a truly big box office hit. 

 

Rian Johnson? JJ Abrams? Hell the fucking no

 

 

if they are smart they will throw money at Joseph Kosinski and Christopher McQuarrie

[cax16]

Another one to the ignore list it is then. 

[Jeight]

2 hours ago, YM! said:

Did Jason Momoa pee in your cereal or something?

Funny thing is, i dont hate the movie. It is ok. But saying that the audiebce loved aquaman is like saying audiences loved Venom or Age of extinction since China contributed a heavy percentage of the bo in every case and in every case the reviews and audience scores were middling at best

[The Wild Eric]

21 minutes ago, Jeight said:

Funny thing is, i dont hate the movie. It is ok. But saying that the audiebce loved aquaman is like saying audiences loved Venom or Age of extinction since China contributed a heavy percentage of the bo in every case and in every case the reviews and audience scores were middling at best

Okay.