AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR | 1369.5 M overseas ● 2048.4 M worldwide

[GraceRandolph]

6 minutes ago, Barnack said:

Do you really think that making 2b in a 40b market place is much harder than 20 year's ago in a 13.5b market place ? Or it is part of your trolling ? Most of what you say do sound like trolling so it is hard to say sometime.

 

Again, numbers would be nice in france for example ticket price grew a bitslower than inflation between 1998 and 2011:

 

 

UK:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/285783/cinema-ticket-prices-average-annual-price-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/

 

2000: ticket were 7.04 2017 pound vs 7.49 pound today (I imagine 3D vs no 3d ticket could easily explain most of that 6% higher price difference).

 

 

 

Yes and my main point is piracy and the fact that we have other forms of entertainment. People just don’t think it’s worth going to the cinema anymore. Why do you think every major studio is desperate to create their own streaming service? They know where the real money is at - case in point Netflix being more valuable than Disney. 

[Barnack]

Just now, GraceRandolph said:

Yes and my main point is piracy and the fact that we have other forms of entertainment. People just don’t think it’s worth going to the cinema anymore

You type sentence without providing any numbers, anything really just declaring that people don't think it's worth going to the cinema anymore, while they go more than ever before worldwide, at least in dollar spending. Hundreds of millions of people became movie goers since then.

 

2 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Why do you think every major studio is desperate to create their own streaming service? They know where the real money is at - case in point Netflix being more valuable than Disney. 

TV is an over 150b business in the US (https://www.statista.com/statistics/184176/estimated-revenue-of-the-us-broadcasting-industry-since-2005/), Netflix is what 8 billion worldwide ?, Yes real profit always has been in TV for the conglomerate that own the studio, including even Disney that is not new (that we can call streaming now, but that almost exactly the same).  We are seeing a shift from streaming with satellite/Cable TV to Internet streaming, what is changing is much more in how the home entertainment spending is made than theatrical vs non theatrical, at the end of the day we went from around 13-14b 20 year's ago to now over 40 b:

 

 

Making 2b in 2018 is achieving to get a bit under 5% of the world market share, 20 year's ago it would have been around 14-15% and Hollywood share of the world box office didn't change much over that time and the top movies share of the box office grew, didn't went down.

 

Even domestic went from a 6/7 billion to 11 billion now a day.

[GraceRandolph]

7 minutes ago, Barnack said:

You type sentence without providing any numbers, anything really just declaring that people don't think it's worth going to the cinema anymore, while they go more than ever before worldwide, at least in dollar spending. Hundreds of millions of people became movie goers since then.

 

TV is an over 150b business in the US (https://www.statista.com/statistics/184176/estimated-revenue-of-the-us-broadcasting-industry-since-2005/), Netflix is what 8 billion worldwide ?, Yes real profit always has been in TV for the conglomerate that own the studio, including even Disney that is not new (that we can call streaming now, but that almost exactly the same).  We are seeing a shift from streaming with satellite/Cable TV to Internet streaming, what is changing is much more in how the home entertainment spending is made than theatrical vs non theatrical, at the end of the day we went from around 13-14b 20 year's ago to now over 40 b:

 

 

Making 2b in 2018 is achieving to get a bit under 5% of the world market share, 20 year's ago it would have been around 14-15% and Hollywood share of the world box office didn't change much over that time and the top movies share of the box office grew, didn't went down.

 

Even domestic went from a 6/7 billion to 11 billion now a day.

These graphs are flawed. They don’t account for the huge population growth and ticket price increases. The movie industry is doing everything in their power to maintain a facade and cover up that it’s  rapidly declining. 

 

Cable TV isn’t even comparable to streaming. They earn their money from ads and other endorsements. Streaming relies on direct consumer payments. Disney along with other studios want a streaming service where users pay a fee once per month and get to watch unlimited content without ads. 

[pepsa]

@baumer Is there a way to get the last 3 pages of this thread to a seprate discution thread, because it has derailed this whole IW OS tracking thread.

Thanks anyway.

[Barnack]

2 hours ago, GraceRandolph said:

These graphs are flawed. They don’t account for the huge population growth and ticket price increases. The movie industry is doing everything in their power to maintain a facade and cover up that it’s  rapidly declining. 

 

 

Yes those are 2 of the reasons why it got easier to reach 2 billion, the world movie goers population exploded. Ticket price (specially 3D title like Avengers) probably help box office a little bit, for the event movie at least. That is the only people point when they say it is easier now to make 2B with a movie, much larger moviegoers world population, much richer one overall (specially in China but in many other place) with higher price ticket and obviously simple inflation. If at least the conversation was in the same value, comparing making $2B in 2018 to $1.3 billion in 1998, now that could be a reasonable possible debate to have.

 

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Cable TV isn’t even comparable to streaming.

That is true, Cable is much much bigger in revenues/profits right now, not at the same level.

 

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They earn their money from ads and other endorsements. Streaming relies on direct consumer payments. Disney along with other studios want a streaming service where users pay a fee once per month and get to watch unlimited content without ads. 

Disney charge people for ESPN and some other channel, TV is not just from ads and endorsemment, people also pay a lot monthly for it in the united state (I do not know you are in which country, but in the US tv is crazy (https://variety.com/2013/biz/news/directv-average-customer-bill-tops-102-per-month-1200797613/).

 

Pay TV is a 108b industry in North America alone bigger than free TV + streaming, it is in a different level than streaming revenues:

 

 

Those people starting those streaming platform, would it be AT&T, comcast, disney were people owning the tv channels when not also owning the cable/satellite distribution, and that in good part what they are buying with FOX in some markets. People pay for HBO, Stars and those movies channel and have been for decades.

Edited June 14, 2018 by Barnack

[Asyulus]

Is $990m OS -C still opssible?

 

It would guarnntee $2.05b WW

[box office]

Can you all shut up about titanic. This is a IW thread go discuss this somewere else.

[Sam]

That was a hell lot of fingers exercises y’all had me doing from having to scroll through those long-ass posts.

 

Please no more. Thank you.

[Taruseth]

12 hours ago, Asyulus said:

Is $990m OS -C still opssible?

 

It would guarnntee $2.05b WW

It would need $12M for that, coming from a 5.302M Weekend Os-C, so it would need to add 2.263x times the Weekend, which is possible, but no way locked, as JW2 and I2 are opening in quite a lot of OS territories in the coming weeks, it dropped rather harshly this weekend in those that JW2 opened.

So I think it might end around 988M.

 

[Asyulus]

$2.045b for now.

Edited June 15, 2018 by Asyulus

[Juby]

Agree. The film is heading to $2.04-2.05B worldwide. It won't catch TFA (shame, but maybe next time). . .

[Asyulus]

Hopefully Incredibles 2 effect kicks in into this one.

[Juby]

Great hold domestic this weekend. IW is deffinetly heading for over $680 mln. 

[pepsa]

We know IW OS gross until Monday. It added 15.62m Yuan from Tue-Thu good for $2.429m. The WE is looking like: 6.05m yuan, about $0.941m. IW only had 1% of screens on Fri, coming from 13% on Thu. Also JW2 seems to be very direct competition in china as a major Hollywood CGI heavy blockbuster. So China grossed $3.37m this week (Tue-Sun). 

 

DOM weekend is looking great! We are looking at a $6m + weekend. Guardians did a 2.96 multi from this WE. That would give IW another (I used $6.05m a 60% Sat jump and a 4% Sun Increase)  $17.922m from this point forward. This WE might be a bit bigger, and multi might be smaller or bigger based on the drop vs JW next week. From that point forward IW has a free ride. With an Ant-Man boost along the way. 

So this weeks GG2 legs senario is $682.88m, last we the GG2 senario was "only" $681.3m. This means IW is getting better and better holds.

 

OS-China will also see a decent drop, but not China lv big. My guess would be -57%. All in all bumpy WE OS, great WE DOM.

[Asyulus]

With these domestic numbers, $690m is a real possibility and $2.050b is in the game.

[fabiopazzo2]

 

Edited June 17, 2018 by fabiopazzo2

[Sam]

1 minute ago, fabiopazzo2 said:

 

Under Solo’s OS weekend this week. What a flop.

[Stewart]

1 minute ago, fabiopazzo2 said:

 

With the excellent hold domestic, this is going to get very very close to TFA. 

 

Also actuals will likely go up this weekend for both OS and DOM as Disney always underestimates Father's Day (which is actually on the same day universally, unlike Mother's Day)

[salvador-232]

Incredibles 2 totally destroyed IW in South America where it was holding well though. Drops over 70%... Will need extra muscle in the other remaining regions. 

[fabiopazzo2]

Just now, salvador-232 said:

Incredibles 2 totally destroyed IW in South America where it was holding well though. Drops over 70%... Will need extra muscle in the other remaining regions. 

IW is at the end of his run