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On 9/23/2019 at 3:29 PM, VenomXXR said:

Joker -- AMC Willowbrook 24 -- 10 Days to Previews -- 330pm CST

 

Dolby / IMAX: 6 showtimes, 110 tickets sold out of 1068 available (10.30%)

Digital: 4 showtimes, 6 tickets sold out of 500 available (01.20%)

Total: 10 showtimes, 116 tickets sold out of 1568 available (07.40%

 

Joker -- AMC Willowbrook 24 -- 8 Days to Previews -- 530pm CST

 

Dolby / IMAX: 6 showtimes, 172 tickets sold out of 1068 available (16.10%)

Digital: 4 showtimes, 19 tickets sold out of 500 available (03.80%)

Total: 10 showtimes, 191 tickets sold out here of 1568 available (12.18%) 

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23 hours ago, Inceptionzq said:

Joker Thursday Night Showings Denver

AMC Westminster 24

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dolby:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4:00 PM

 

 

9

 

 

217

 

 

7:00 PM

 

 

72

 

 

217

 

 

10:00 PM

 

 

16

 

 

217

 

 

Prime:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4:30 PM

 

 

4

 

 

187

 

 

7:30 PM

 

 

19

 

 

187

 

 

10:30 PM

 

 

4

 

 

187

 

 

2D:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5:00 PM

 

 

4

 

 

158

 

 

5:30 PM

 

 

0

 

 

92

 

 

6:30 PM

 

 

5

 

 

94

 

 

8:00 PM

 

 

12

 

 

158

 

 

8:30 PM

 

 

4

 

 

92

 

 

9:30 PM

 

 

0

 

 

94

 

 

11:00 PM

 

 

0

 

 

158

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Total

 

 

149

 

 

2058

 

 

AMC Highlands 24

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IMAX:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4:30 PM

 

 

4

 

 

384

 

 

7:30 PM

 

 

10

 

 

384

 

 

10:30 PM

 

 

0

 

 

384

 

 

Dolby:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4:00 PM

 

 

5

 

 

210

 

 

7:00 PM

 

 

49

 

 

210

 

 

10:00 PM

 

 

9

 

 

210

 

 

2D:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5:15 PM

 

 

0

 

 

159

 

 

5:45 PM

 

 

0

 

 

159

 

 

6:15 PM

 

 

2

 

 

85

 

 

6:30 PM

 

 

2

 

 

85

 

 

7:15 PM

 

 

0

 

 

52

 

 

8:15 PM

 

 

0

 

 

159

 

 

8:45 PM

 

 

2

 

 

159

 

 

9:15 PM

 

 

0

 

 

85

 

 

9:30 PM

 

 

0

 

 

85

 

 

10:15 PM

 

 

2

 

 

52

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Total

 

 

85

 

 

2862

 

 

 

SEATS SOLD

 

 

SOLD TODAY

 

 

TOTAL SEATS

 

 

PERCENT SOLD

 

 

THEATERS

 

 

SHOWINGS

 

 

495

 

 

140

 

 

14616

 

 

3.39%

 

 

8

 

 

81

 

 

 

Showings added: 2

Seats added: 550

 

If you haven't already heard, Century Aurora XD will not be showing Joker. For IT 2, that theater sold almost 13% of the tickets out of the 9 theaters. So, it messes things up a bit. I won't be able to adjust for that theater until the last couple days because I only recently started saving individual theater counts. But I'll continue to do regular comps, and hopefully my other nearby theaters will pick up some of that loss. Just take them with a grain of salt. 

 

IT 2 comp: 5.13M

Adjusted Lion King comp: 5.82M

 

For TLK, I didn't track the Aurora theater at this point. So the comp is probably a better look at what it's looking like in Denver right now.

Joker Thursday Night Showings Denver

AMC Westminster 24    
Dolby:    
4:00 PM 10 217
7:00 PM 89 217
10:00 PM 19 217
Prime:    
4:30 PM 5 187
7:30 PM 24 187
10:30 PM 5 187
2D:    
5:00 PM 4 158
5:30 PM 0 92
6:30 PM 5 94
8:00 PM 12 158
8:30 PM 4 92
9:30 PM 0 94
11:00 PM 0 158
     
Total 177 2058

 

AMC Highlands 24

   
IMAX:    
4:30 PM 4 384
7:30 PM 10 384
10:30 PM 0 384
Dolby:    
4:00 PM 11 210
7:00 PM 59 210
10:00 PM 10 210
2D:    
5:15 PM 0 159
5:45 PM 0 159
6:15 PM 2 85
6:30 PM 2 85
7:15 PM 0 52
8:15 PM 0 159
8:45 PM 2 159
9:15 PM 0 85
9:30 PM 0 85
10:15 PM 2 52
     
Total 102 2862

 

SEATS SOLD SOLD TODAY TOTAL SEATS PERCENT SOLD THEATERS SHOWINGS
598 103 14616 4.09% 8 81

 

IT 2 comp: 5.78M

Adjusted Lion King comp: 6.6M

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20 minutes ago, Welfin said:

These Joker sales seem not impressive.

The problem with the comps is that, presumably, they're being done versus the entire pre-sale run of those movies to date.  A movie that's been on sale for three days simply isn't going to be comparable to a movie that had pre-sales for weeks on end.  That Joker  is even pulling those sorts of numbers is pretty decent.

 

Like, take Sacto last night:

 

18 hours ago, Porthos said:

Joker Greater Sacramento Area Premiere Night Seat Report: T-9 days and counting

 

 

Sellouts

Showings

Seats left

Total Seats

Seats Sold

Perct Sold

TOTALS

0

200

23571

24448

877

3.59%

 

Total Seats Sold Today

211

 

T-9 Comps (somewhat lol at this stage - don't take very seriously)

 

   %

 

Sold T-9

Total Sold

 

Sellouts/Shows

Seats Left/Total Seats

Perct Sold

 

Comp

It 2

67.25

 

102

1304

 

0/142

16219/17523

7.44%

 

7.06m

PRE-SALES NOTE: It 2 had 36 days of pre-sales while joker had 11. 

Joker sold twice as many tickets on its 9 days out than It 2 did.  And that's because it was only the second day of sales for it, while It 2 already had 26 days of sales under its belt.

 

The comp against DP2 tells a similar story:

 

18 hours ago, Porthos said:

T-9 Adjusted Comps (somewhat lol at this stage - don't take very seriously)

 

   %

 

Sold T-9

Total Sold

 

Sellouts/Shows

Seats Left/Total Seats

Perct Sold

 

Comp

DP2

26.97

 

154

3063

 

0/119

10404/13467

22.74%

 

5.02m

Joker (adj)

n/a

 

189

826

 

0/200

23133/23799

4.19%

 

n/a

PRE-SALES NOTE: Deadpool 2 had 30 days of pre-sales, while Joker had 11.

ADJUSTMENT NOTE: Joker (adj) is the ticket data at the same theaters I had tracking info for Deadpool 2.

Here Joker sold around 20% more tickets than DP2 did on their respective 9 days out.  And, again, that's because DP2 had already been on sale for 21 days.

 

As we get closer to release, those movies will hit their own "ramp ups", of course, so Joker has to keep making up ground before next Monday hits. 

 

But I wouldn't draw too many conclusions on "great/terrible" until at least this Sunday. Such is the problem with a severely truncated pre-sale window.

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On 9/4/2019 at 5:42 PM, Tinalera said:

Toronto ontario canada
IT Chapter 2 
Thursday sept 5


Scotiabank Theatre

No dates (!)

 

Don mills 
VIP
530 0/115
615 10/115
930 46/115
1020 2/115

 

Yorkdale 
AVX
500 21/349
845 48/349


Eglinton Town 

IMAX (removed)

AVX
630 14/383
1015 8/383

 

Yonge eglinton
Vip
530 34/95
600 39/91
93023/95
1000 15/91

Avx 
600 59/300
945 11/300

 

Queensway 

VIP

530 25/111
615 34/135
800 48/56
930 48/100
1015 17/135

AVX
630 73/377
1030 24/377

"X" 
530 28/224
930 13/224

 

Yonge and dundas

VIP

630 56/61
1030 28/61

AVX
615 98/386
945 33/386

IMAX

500 73/356
845 34/356

4DX
530 28/82
900 13/82


911/7389


Works out about 8 percent sold. This is going to be wom and walkup i think up here. Only reason it doesnt make same amount as pt 1 would be people who werent fans of part 1 not showing.

 

Also 3 hour length (plus movie ads and trailers could push this to a 3 and almost 3 and ahalf hour total in theatre time

I think this is the best thing I can do for comps atm, This is @Tinalera data from IT2 the day before previews.  The numbers below are from joker after 3 days of Presales so far, using only the same theatres. Total tickets only as joker has more showtimes at certain theatres and IT2 had more at others. 

 

Scotiabank theatre

 

444 total tickets sold so far 

 

 

Don mills VIP

 

64 total tickets sold so far 

 

 

Yorkdale 

 

57 total tickets sold 

 

 

Eglinton town

 

31 total tickets sold 

 

 

Yonge and Eglinton

 

145 total tickets sold 

 

 

Queensway

 

220 total tickets sold 

 

 

Yonge and Dundas 

 

203 total tickets sold 

 

 

 

1164 total tickets sold so far.

 

 

 

Now, Scotiabank theatre is one of our big ones downtown so the fact that it didn’t have any times for IT2 is very strange. I suspect that that’s the reason presales were so big at the Yonge and Dundas location cause Scotiabank didn’t have the presales up, but even if we were to add in let’s say 500 tickets for Scotiabank for IT2 that would only take the total to 1411 total tickets the day before previews. I think Scotiabank would be a bit higher but I don’t want to go much more as I think Yonge and Dundas was inflated due to the other theatre not having tickets on sale. 

 

I don’t know what any of this means but I figured it would be fun to just look and compare.

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Joker, Day 3, Salt Lake City, Sugarhouse Cinemark, 6 preview night screenings.

 

59/507 11.6%

 

Tickets sold today- ZERO

 

Really weird action, or I guess I should say, non-action, in SLC over the past 24 hours. Not a single ticket sold according to the Cinemark website, which makes me think that there's a glitch in the online ticketing app, especially since nobody else's reports are showing such a catastrophic drop. Will hopefully have something better to share tomorrow night.

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10 minutes ago, A Star is Orm said:

Joker, Day 3, Salt Lake City, Sugarhouse Cinemark, 8 preview night screenings.

 

59/507 11.6%

 

Tickets sold today- ZERO

 

Really weird action, or I guess I should say, non-action, in SLC over the past 24 hours. Not a single ticket sold according to the Cinemark website, which makes me think that there's a glitch in the online ticketing app, especially since nobody else's reports are showing such a catastrophic drop. Will hopefully have something better to share tomorrow night.

I just checked on Fandango and came up with 59 tickets as well.  Since it is only one theater, could be a blip/one of those things.  Any individual theater could over or underperform on any given day, after all.

 

Could also be that folks in that area of town aren't that interested in the flick.  Be interesting to see what happens in the next couple of days, I agree.

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21 hours ago, Porthos said:

T-9 Adjusted Comps (somewhat lol at this stage - don't take very seriously)

 

   %

 

Sold T-9

Total Sold

 

Sellouts/Shows

Seats Left/Total Seats

Perct Sold

 

Comp

DP2

26.97

 

154

3063

 

0/119

10404/13467

22.74%

 

5.02m

Joker (adj)

n/a

 

189

826

 

0/200

23133/23799

4.19%

 

n/a

PRE-SALES NOTE: Deadpool 2 had 30 days of pre-sales, while Joker had 11.

This looks, well, not that promising. Having 80 more shows it barely outsold DP2. DC has a previews loaded audience than Marvel (or used to be before Infinity War). Still, not impressed. Though I am surprised with you not using first 3-5 days comp at this stage wiith other CBMs. From Sunday perhaps you can start T-x days comp.

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5 minutes ago, Charlie Jatinder said:

This looks, well, not that promising. Having 80 more shows it barely outsold DP2. DC has a previews loaded audience than Marvel (or used to be before Infinity War). Still, not impressed. Though I am surprised with you not using first 3-5 days comp at this stage wiith other CBMs. From Sunday perhaps you can start T-x days comp.

It’s quite the hassle.    

 

The Day 3 comps don’t work well — Joker is only 8 days from previews, which inflates the Day 3 vs any comp we’ve got.       

 

T-08 comps don’t work well either — Joker has only had 3 days to accumulate sales, so it’s deflated vs any Day-08 comp we’ve got.     

 

Starting Sat/Sun/Mon-ish the days before comps should be pretty decent.

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2 minutes ago, Charlie Jatinder said:

This looks, well, not that promising. Having 80 more shows it barely outsold DP2. DC has a previews loaded audience than Marvel (or used to be before Infinity War). Still, not impressed. Though I am surprised with you not using first 3-5 days comp at this stage wiith other CBMs

Yes, I know.  That's why I made disclaimers on the first day and an lol-disclaimer on that one.

2 minutes ago, Charlie Jatinder said:

 

. From Sunday perhaps you can start T-x days comp.

I don't have those days for DP2 (I only started tracking it a couple of weeks in).

 

If I compared it to the second day of It 2, it'd be: 30.96m.

 

...


There's reason why I ain't using that comp. ;)

 

(more later, have to take care of something)

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As @Thanos Legion said, having 11 days of pre-sales pretty much renders ALL comps useless.  Even a day two comp against other CBMs is pretty useless as right now we're starting to get into the "oh, yeah, the flick is coming out next week; better buy my tickets" mini-ramp up.

 

Also, 'round about this time, some films start having their embargos lift, either social or review.  That in turn spikes those days (or not) before depressing a little until the real surge starts next week.

 

By rights, I shouldn't have ANY comps.  But if I do that, folks will still ask for them. So, rock and hard place.

 

Best I can do is provide data and give context for them and let folks make their own conclusions.

 

I do think it's not exploding so the data is telling us something.  But it doesn't appear to be cratering, either. But, then again, week plus away.

 

===

 

Let me put this in context.  Here is the sale pattern for JW:FK (which 'only' had 23 days of pre-sales):

 

Fallen Kingdom		
T-22:	0	595
T-21:	0	180
T-20:	0	96
T-19:	0	87
T-18:	0	97
T-17:	0	96
T-16:	0	106
T-15:	0	92
T-14:	0	59
T-13:	0	77
T-12:	0	45
T-11:	0	76
T-10:	0	60
T-9:	0	109
T-8:	0	94
T-7:	0	122
T-6:	0	95
T-5:	0	124
T-4:	0	220
T-3:	0	443
T-2:	0	551
T-1:	0	768
T-0.5:	0	761
T-0:	0	1275

Strong first day, pretty strong second day, then settles into a downward slope before ramping back up... right around the T-9 date.  Which is, sadly, right where Joker is.

 

So even something like JW:FK can't be used as a comp.  The only other films I tracked at even 21 days of pre-sales were Solo and KotM.  Each of those presents... unique problems when it comes to pre-sale analysis, to put it mildly.

 

Sadly, just gonna have to make the best of bad situations and adjust on the fly until the weekend.  By then things should have normalized enough to be able to judge things better.  But even then, Joker might, and I do stress might, have a stronger week of sales, simply because folks hadn't had the chance to remember to buy tickets yet.

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