The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread: Electric Boogaloo

[Eric Atreides]

Joker Greater Philadelphia Area Seat Report T-6 and Counting

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats Sold	Total Seats	Perct Sold
TOTALS	0	108	1,264	24,387	5.18%

 

Total Shows Added Today: 15

Total Seats Added Today: 5,462

Total Seats Sold Today: 188

 

Comp

1.103x of It: Chapter Two 6 days before release (11.58M)

 

Adjusted Comp

3.5x of Hobbs & Shaw 6 days before release (20.3M)

 

Continues to sell well, and continues to rise. It's a bit interesting seeing a bit of a divide between Inception and Orm here though, and I guess to an extent Menor too. Maybe it's just playing better in coastal cities or something?

[Eric Atreides]

Maleficent: Mistress of Evil Greater Philadelphia Area Seat Report T-20 and Counting

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats Sold	Total Seats	Perct Sold
TOTALS	0	30	102	7,802	1.31%

 

Total Seats Sold Today: 5

 

Comp

0.168x of It: Chapter Two 21 days before release (1.76M)

 

Adjusted Comp

0.985x of Hobbs & Shaw 21 days before release (5.72M)

 

Still both lolcomps, but might as well track them a little while longer I guess.

[keysersoze123]

23 hours ago, keysersoze123 said:

Day 4. Joker has slowed down further selling 98 tickets since last update. Overall number still is good.

 

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AMC Empire 25
Imax:      49/303(430PM),     229/303(730PM),      78/303(1030PM)Total 356/909
Dolby:     114/225(400PM),     206/225(700PM),     119/225(1000PM)Total 439/675
Prime:      75/180(500PM),     133/180(800PM),      45/180(1100PM)Total 253/540
2D:       3/122(A10 410PM),       3/377(A13 415PM),       4/121(A15 420PM),       0/99(A11 440PM),       4/158(A6 450PM),       5/146(A7 510PM),
       2/145(A25 520PM),       5/309(A14 530PM),      15/144(A20 540PM),       6/134(A5 550PM),       9/309(A9 6PM),       8/121(A21 610PM),
       4/126(A3 620PM),      19/262(A17 630PM),      13/99(A16 640PM),      18/142(A19 650PM),       8/122(A10 710PM),      19/377(A13 715PM),
      13/121(A15 720PM),      11/99(A11 740PM),       5/158(A6 750PM),       8/146(A7 810PM),      10/145(A25 820PM),      23/309(A14 830PM),
       8/144(A20 840PM),       6/134(A5 850PM),       4/309(A9 9PM),       2/121(A21 910PM),       4/126(A3 920PM),      17/262(A17 930PM),
       8/99(A16 940PM),      16/142(A19 950PM),       3/122(A10 1010PM),       3/377(A13 1015PM),       2/121(A15 1020PM)
       0/99(A11 1040PM),       4/158(A6 1050PM),       2/146(A7 1110PM),       2/145(A25 1120PM),       1/309(A14 1020PM)
      10/144(A20 1140PM),       6/134(A5 1150PM),       0/309(A9 12AM)  Total 313/7692

Overall 1361/9816  (+98)

AMC 34th St
Imax:276
Dolby:240
2d:131
Overall:647 (+50)

 

AMC Newport Center 11
Total Tickets sold:     345

 

AMC Kips Bay 15
Total Tickets sold:     380 (+39)

AMC 19th St East
Total Tickets sold:     177 (+21)

 

AMC Magic Johnson Harlem 9
Dolby:     110
2D:      14
Total:124 (New)

 

SF. Good increases for the day. Prime time Dolby shows and Imax at Metreon(2nd largest Imax Screen in the country) are very strong

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AMC Metreon 16
Dolby:     328
Imax:     382
2D:      90
Total Tickets sold:800 (+67)

AMC Bay Street SF
Imax:      90
Dolby:     246
2D:      25
Total Tickets Sold:361 (+44)

 

AMC Saratoga 14 Joker
Imax:      55
Dolby:     149
2D:      14
Total Tickets Sold:218 (+29)

 

AMC Mercado 20
Dolby:     304 (+23)

 

 

Day 5(T-6)

 

NYC. Slowed down further but overall numbers are great. Should cross overall IT2 numbers at Empire by Monday at latest.

Spoiler

AMC Empire 25
Imax:      59/303(430PM),     241/303(730PM),      90/303(1030PM)Total 390/909
Dolby:     117/225(400PM),     209/225(700PM),     124/225(1000PM)Total 450/675
Prime:      77/180(500PM),     137/180(800PM),      54/180(1100PM)Total 268/540
2D:       3/122(A10 410PM),       4/377(A13 415PM),       4/121(A15 420PM),       0/99(A11 440PM),       4/158(A6 450PM),       5/146(A7 510PM),
       2/145(A25 520PM),       5/309(A14 530PM),      15/144(A20 540PM),       6/134(A5 550PM),       9/309(A9 6PM),       8/121(A21 610PM),
       4/126(A3 620PM),      19/262(A17 630PM),      15/99(A16 640PM),      18/142(A19 650PM),       8/122(A10 710PM),      25/377(A13 715PM),
      15/121(A15 720PM),      11/99(A11 740PM),       5/158(A6 750PM),       8/146(A7 810PM),      14/145(A25 820PM),      29/309(A14 830PM),
       8/144(A20 840PM),       6/134(A5 850PM),       4/309(A9 9PM),       2/121(A21 910PM),       4/126(A3 920PM),      17/262(A17 930PM),
       8/99(A16 940PM),      16/142(A19 950PM),       3/122(A10 1010PM),       3/377(A13 1015PM),       2/121(A15 1020PM)
       0/99(A11 1040PM),       4/158(A6 1050PM),       2/146(A7 1110PM),       2/145(A25 1120PM),       1/309(A14 1020PM)
      10/144(A20 1140PM),       6/134(A5 1150PM),       0/309(A9 12AM)  Total 334/7692

Overall 1442/9816 (+81)

AMC 34th St
Imax:300
Dolby:246
2d:144
Overall:690 (+43)

 

AMC Newport Center 11
Total Tickets sold:     373 (+28)

 

AMC Kips Bay 15
Total Tickets sold:     409 (+29)

AMC 19th St East
Total Tickets sold:     194(+17)

 

AMC Magic Johnson Harlem 9
Dolby:     113
2D:      22
Total:135(+11)

 

 

 

SF. Very good day. Metreon sold more tickets today than yesterday. Good number in few other AMC theaters as well.

Spoiler

AMC Metreon 16
Dolby:     338
Imax:     412
2D:     122
Total Tickets sold:872 (+72)

AMC Bay Street SF
Imax:      99
Dolby:     264
2D:      25
Total Tickets Sold:388 (+27)

 

AMC Saratoga 14
Imax:      67
Dolby:     157
2D:      14
Total Tickets Sold:238 (+20)

 

AMC Mercado 20
Dolby:     338 (+34)

 

 

[FlashMaster659]

Joker Inland Empire Area Premiere Night Seat Report: T-6 Days

 

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats Sold	Total Seats	Seats Left	% Sold
TOTALS	0	167	2922	39908	36986	7.32%

 

Total Seats Sold Today: 237

 

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Unfortunately a drop from the seats sold yesterday. Nonetheless, I think Joker will be near tied with It: Chapter 2 in total seats sold when I'm able to directly comp it at T-5 days tomorrow night.

[Porthos]

Joker Greater Sacramento Area Premiere Night Seat Report: T-6 days and counting

 

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats left	Total Seats	Seats Sold	Perct Sold
TOTALS	0	199	23008	24366*	1358	5.57%

* NOTE:  A few showings has the seats they had available adjusted, resulting in five more seats available region wide.

 

Total Seats Sold Today

174

 

T-6 Comps (somewhat lol at this stage - don't take seriously)

	%		Sold T-6	Total Sold		Sellouts/Shows	Seats Left/Total Seats	Perct Sold		Comp
It 2	80.45		140	1688		0/167	18275/19963	8.46%		8.45m

PRE-SALES NOTE: It 2 had 36 days of pre-sales while joker had 11. 

 

T-6 Adjusted Comps (somewhat lol at this stage - don't take seriously)

	%		Sold T-6	Total Sold		Sellouts/Shows	Seats Left/Total Seats	Perct Sold		Comp
DP2	35.10		230	3564		0/121	9903/13467	26.46%		6.53m
Joker (adj)	n/a		156	1251		0/199	18363/19614	6.38%		n/a

PRE-SALES NOTE: Deadpool 2 had 30 days of pre-sales, while Joker had 11.

ADJUSTMENT NOTE: Joker (adj) is the ticket data at the same theaters I had tracking info for Deadpool 2.

[Old Spice]

9 hours ago, Eric! said:

Joker Greater Philadelphia Area Seat Report T-6 and Counting

 

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats Sold	Total Seats	Perct Sold
TOTALS	0	108	1,264	24,387	5.18%

 

Total Shows Added Today: 15

Total Seats Added Today: 5,462

Total Seats Sold Today: 188

 

Comp

1.103x of It: Chapter Two 6 days before release (11.58M)

 

Adjusted Comp

3.5x of Hobbs & Shaw 6 days before release (20.3M)

 

Continues to sell well, and continues to rise. It's a bit interesting seeing a bit of a divide between Inception and Orm here though, and I guess to an extent Menor too. Maybe it's just playing better in coastal cities or something?

I'm seeing some curious disparities even within my own area. The prime Friday evening shows in SLC proper at Sugarhouse are already 60% sold. In West Jordan they are about 15%, and in Farmington it's as if tix haven't even gone on sale yet (2 total sold.) Comic book properties typically do gangbusters here across the board; Joker is proving a tougher sell, at least in some communities.

Edited September 28, 2019 by A Star is Orm
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[Tinalera]

A question about comps. Is it simply a matter of going and seeing how much a previous movie made on that day/same time during its own run? Wheres the beat place to find previous movie info? Or is it just going back through this weekend thread?

[narniadis]

5 minutes ago, Tinalera said:

A question about comps. Is it simply a matter of going and seeing how much a previous movie made on that day/same time during its own run? Wheres the beat place to find previous movie info? Or is it just going back through this weekend thread?

The comps come from the posters original work, so its here in the thread if they posted it. However, there isnt a centralized source where they can look up Random Movie X and get the info. 

[Nova]

It's rather odd seeing the wide discrepancy for Joker sales across the country. I went back to look at comps at some movies I tracked (JW3, Venom, Deadpool 2 and Shazam) and if I didn't have this thread to see how it was selling at other locations, I'd honestly question whether or not it would even break $60M for its OW just based on how its selling at my theater. I know I'd mentioned around $80M but I took the time to actually go look at other movies sales and yea it's not selling all that well for a film that's tracking at $80M+ OW. 

 

It's sold a total of 168 tickets for Thursday night and we are less than a week out. That's well behind John Wick 3, Venom and Deadpool 2 when they were a week out and just a bit ahead of Shazam. But I do admit that my theater has been very odd in terms of tickets sold and how well a movie does the last couple of times I have done this. If I have time later this weekend, I may look at other movie theaters in my area although I don't have direct comps but it'll at least give me an idea of whether my theater is an outlier or my area in general isn't on the Joker hype train.  
 

*Since I’ve already been Winona Rydered, I want to say that no I don’t think the Joker is opening under $60M. I’m still thinking $80-90M right now BUT I just thought it was interesting how wide the discrepancy between some of the theaters are (even in the same regions as some posters have pointed out) in terms of sales for Thursday night 

Edited September 28, 2019 by Nova

[Inceptionzq]

56 minutes ago, Tinalera said:

A question about comps. Is it simply a matter of going and seeing how much a previous movie made on that day/same time during its own run? Wheres the beat place to find previous movie info? Or is it just going back through this weekend thread?

Comps are you comparing how much tickets were sold at the same point between different movies you tracked. 
 

Basically, you’re doing movie X tickets sold divided by movie Y tickets sold at the same amount of days before their previews, and multiply that by movie Y’s preview gross.

 

For example, let’s say Joker sold 100 tickets ten days before previews started, and IT 2 sold 200. You’d do 100 divided by 200, then multiply that by how much IT 2 made on preview night, 10.5M. You’d get 5.25M

 

Sometimes theaters won’t post showtimes for movie X at the same time as they did for movie Y during their presales. So, you can go a step further and do adjusted comps.

 

Going back to the example, let’s say IT 2 had showtimes for theater 5, but Joker didn’t yet. So, you’d take the 200 tickets that IT 2 sold, and subtract how many theater 5 sold. We’ll say theater 5 sold 20 tickets. So you do 200-20, and get 180. Then you do the regular comp process. 100 divided by 180, multiply that by 10.5M. And you get 5.83M

 

If you’re not already, make sure you’re saving the presales data you’re posting on here. It looks like you’re posting enough information that you could just go back through here, but it’ll be a lot easier to have it all in one place.

[The Chad DC]

This (JOKER) is selling well in the Greater Vancouver Area:

 

Scotiabank Theatre Vancouver:

AVX - Thursday is at 255/2139, 12%. Friday (222/1286), 17%.

 

Regular - Thursday (9/775), 1.2%, these showings were added really late. There is none still for Friday.

 

Cineplex Strawberry Hill:

 

AVX - Thursday (36/648), 6%. Friday (66/846), 8%.

 

Regular - Thursday (6/750), 0.8%. Again added late.

 

Cineplex Metropolis:

 

AVX - T (70/1103), 6%. F (96/1468), 6.5%.

Regular - T (32/1322), 2.4%.

 

Landmark New Westminster:

 

Regular - T (18/120, 46/92, 58/120, 19/90, 23/78, 17/73, 20/104, 8/120, 3/78= 212/875, 24%) F (11/104, 11/120, 6/92 ~ early showings, 17/120, 50/93, 80/120, 55/92, 35/120 = 265/861, 31%).

 

Some context on these numbers:

 

The first three theatres are owned by cineplex. These showings have majority of movie watchers (like 60%) book tickets on the day of the showing. Landmark usually has most people book early because they sell fast. For instance, Cineplex Strawberry hill has a Landmark nearby and that is sold at around 20%.

 

Edited September 28, 2019 by The Chad DC

[excel1]

This will dominate in big urban areas ala TDK movies and perform far more averagelty in more conservative middle America, not rocket science

[narniadis]

19 minutes ago, excel1 said:

This will dominate in big urban areas ala TDK movies and perform far more averagelty in more conservative middle America, not rocket science

While trueish - TDK and Rises played very well in middle America, I should know considering the crowds I waded through 🤣, the skew here will also be more consistent with award type filmography seeing as they have sold it that way as well. It may be a huge film in the end, but ultimately its fine if its not a film loved by the out of city masses. 

[DAJK]

1 hour ago, The Chad DC said:

This (JOKER) is selling well in the Greater Vancouver Area:

 

Scotiabank Theatre Vancouver:

AVX - Thursday is at 255/2139, 12%. Friday (222/1286), 17%.

 

Regular - Thursday (9/775), 1.2%, these showings were added really late. There is none still for Friday.

 

Cineplex Strawberry Hill:

 

AVX - Thursday (36/648), 6%. Friday (66/846), 8%.

 

Regular - Thursday (6/750), 0.8%. Again added late.

 

Cineplex Metropolis:

 

AVX - T (70/1103), 6%. F (96/1468), 6.5%.

Regular - T (32/1322), 2.4%.

 

Landmark New Westminster:

 

Regular - T (18/120, 46/92, 58/120, 19/90, 23/78, 17/73, 20/104, 8/120, 3/78= 212/875, 24%) F (11/104, 11/120, 6/92 ~ early showings, 17/120, 50/93, 80/120, 55/92, 35/120 = 265/861, 31%).

 

Some context on these numbers:

 

The first three theatres are owned by cineplex. These showings have majority of movie watchers (like 60%) book tickets on the day of the showing. Landmark usually has most people book early because they sell fast. For instance, Cineplex Strawberry hill has a Landmark nearby and that is sold at around 20%.

 

Thank you for tracking these theatres. I don't track them myself (I track Victoria) but I do look at them time to time, so having you post these numbers in this thread would save me a lot of time

[Legion Again]

2 hours ago, Nova said:

Since I’ve already been Winona Rydered, I want to say that no I don’t think the Joker is opening under $60M. I’m still thinking $80-90M right now BUT I just thought it was interesting how wide the discrepancy between some of the theaters are (even in the same regions as some posters have pointed out) in terms of sales for Thursday night 

FWIW, being Winona-ed by Kenny is a good sign you’ve said something reasonable and level-headed

[TheDarkKnightOfSteel]

Small sample here but in my country Joker is at 1 sold out showing,5 near sold out showings (2 in the country’s biggest auditoriums) and added 8 showing overall.I asked a friend of mine who works at the country’s biggest theater chain (and the one that i’m tracking) and she said that they expect it to sell well and they will add showing to meet demand.So far they are keeping the showing very late at the day due to the film’s rating but they will have to give it earlier showings.

 

I have tracked a few films.It’s nothing like Endgame, which was just ridiculous but I think it’s doing better than Wonder Woman And is on par with BvS (or veeeery slightly below it).

[XXR vs XXR]

On 9/25/2019 at 5:23 PM, VenomXXR said:

 

Joker -- AMC Willowbrook 24 -- 8 Days to Previews -- 530pm CST

 

Dolby / IMAX: 6 showtimes, 172 tickets sold out of 1068 available (16.10%)

Digital: 4 showtimes, 19 tickets sold out of 500 available (03.80%)

Total: 10 showtimes, 191 tickets sold out here of 1568 available (12.18%) 

 

Joker -- AMC Willowbrook 24 -- 5 Days to Previews -- 2:00pm CST

 

Dolby / IMAX: 6 showtimes, 221 tickets sold out of 1068 available (20.69%)

Digital: 4 showtimes, 28 tickets sold out of 500 available (05.60%)

Total: 10 showtimes, 249 tickets sold out here of 1568 available (15.88%)

[Inceptionzq]

23 hours ago, Inceptionzq said:

Joker Thursday Night Showings Denver

AMC Westminster 24
Dolby:
4:00 PM	14	217
7:00 PM	92	217
10:00 PM	31	217
Prime:
4:30 PM	5	187
7:30 PM	34	187
10:30 PM	7	187
2D:
5:00 PM	3	158
5:30 PM	0	92
6:30 PM	7	94
8:00 PM	14	158
8:30 PM	4	92
9:30 PM	0	94
11:00 PM	0	158
Total	211	2058

 

AMC Highlands 24
IMAX:
4:30 PM	4	384
7:30 PM	15	384
10:30 PM	1	384
Dolby:
4:00 PM	14	210
7:00 PM	68	210
10:00 PM	12	210
2D:
5:15 PM	2	159
5:45 PM	0	159
6:15 PM	4	85
6:30 PM	2	85
7:15 PM	0	52
8:15 PM	0	159
8:45 PM	2	159
9:15 PM	0	85
9:30 PM	0	85
10:15 PM	2	52
Total	126	2862

 

SEATS SOLD	SOLD TODAY	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD	THEATERS	SHOWINGS
754	77	14616	5.16%	8	81

 

IT 2 comp: 6.31M

Lion King comp: 6.16M

 

At this point, I had all 9 theaters for TLK. So, start taking that comp with a slight grain of salt for now. But anyways, ticket sales are flat from yesterday as you can see. It's still behind IT 2's pace, but not by much. The gap is growing though. With Aurora, I don't know whether Joker would be ahead or not. But to tie with IT by Thursday, Joker needs to really pick it up. Accounting for Aurora, Joker needs to outsell IT by exactly 500 by Thursday. The chances seem pretty slim.

Joker Thursday Night Showings Denver

AMC Westminster 24
Dolby:
4:00 PM	21	217
7:00 PM	98	217
10:00 PM	37	217
Prime:
4:30 PM	6	187
7:30 PM	36	187
10:30 PM	8	187
2D:
5:00 PM	3	158
5:30 PM	0	92
6:30 PM	11	94
8:00 PM	14	158
8:30 PM	4	92
9:30 PM	1	94
11:00 PM	0	158
Total	239	2058

 

AMC Highlands 24
IMAX:
4:30 PM	4	384
7:30 PM	15	384
10:30 PM	1	384
Dolby:
4:00 PM	15	210
7:00 PM	71	210
10:00 PM	12	210
2D:
5:15 PM	2	159
5:45 PM	2	159
6:15 PM	5	85
6:30 PM	2	85
7:15 PM	3	52
8:15 PM	2	159
8:45 PM	2	159
9:15 PM	0	85
9:30 PM	2	85
10:15 PM	2	52
Total	140	2862

 

SEATS SOLD	SOLD TODAY	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD	THEATERS	SHOWINGS
850	96	14616	5.82%	8	81

 

IT 2 comp: 6.46M

Lion King comp: 6.38M

 

A decent jump, but nothing close to IT 2's jump on this day. At least the comps are still increasing though. If I were able to adjust right now, both of these comps would most definitely be over 7M.

[DAJK]

I could definitely see Joker being very frontloaded on previews/OD or OW (skewed towards Thursday/Friday numbers). Many people will call doom and gloom for legs, but it will stabilize throughout October, and may not have the best legs but will be pretty solid for a blockbuster. 

[Old Spice]

18 minutes ago, DAJK said:

I could definitely see Joker being very frontloaded on previews/OD or OW (skewed towards Thursday/Friday numbers). Many people will call doom and gloom for legs, but it will stabilize throughout October, and may not have the best legs but will be pretty solid for a blockbuster. 

One thing to be watched that second weekend is the effect of Gemini Man in 3D+ HFR (60 frames per second.) A number of the Cinemarks in Salt Lake are giving their PLF/biggest screens to Gemini in order to showcase this new format, and that could amplify Joker's second weekend drop beyond what might otherwise be expected.