The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread: Electric Boogaloo

[TwoMisfits]

15 minutes ago, cdsacken said:

I will die of shock if Frozen 2 does bad at AMC. Should slaughter TS4 numbers.

Cinemark subscribers are limited to 1 ticket...but can buy more $9 tickets for family...

 

AMC gets as many tickets for one person as they want...but doesn't have the family deal...

 

So, presales might just be showing the power of the Cinemark subscriber base and plan for those occasional family goers - aka, the 3x a year for Disney movies ones...those folks saved up their monthly tickets, or added a few extra, and are buying in bulk for shows:)...

[Inceptionzq]

Ford v Ferrari Thursday Night Showings Denver

AMC Westminster 24

Total

18

434

AMC Highlands Ranch 24

Total

36

738

 

SEATS SOLD	SOLD PAST WEEK	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD	THEATERS	SHOWINGS
74	49	3107	2.38%	8	19

 

Adjusted Terminator comp: 1.6M

 

Can't adjust for other comps I wanna use, so I'll just have Terminator for the time being

[keysersoze123]

18 minutes ago, TwoMisfits said:

Cinemark subscribers are limited to 1 ticket...but can buy more $9 tickets for family...

 

AMC gets as many tickets for one person as they want...but doesn't have the family deal...

 

So, presales might just be showing the power of the Cinemark subscriber base and plan for those occasional family goers - aka, the 3x a year for Disney movies ones...those folks saved up their monthly tickets, or added a few extra, and are buying in bulk for shows:)...

That may be a good point but I am surprised by slow sales even at Imax/PLF at some of the busiest theaters in NYC. Joker almost sold out prime time Dolby Prime Imax at Empire 25 but Frozen 2 is still ways to go. So lack of shows is not the issues. I thought may be heavy booking for saturday shows but even 10AM special Dolby event is at 76/225. Good but not at blockbuster level.

 

That said there is still time. if the status quo still there by monday of the release week then I will conclude F2 will not have great previews at NYC.

[Menor the Destroyer]

1 hour ago, keysersoze123 said:

Not much has changed when I checked this morning. Only 67 tickets sold across 35 shows.

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AMC Empire 25,,201911212300,143,225,3359.07,600pm
AMC Empire 25,,201911220145,107,225,2513.43,845pm
AMC Empire 25,,201911212330,116,303,2724.84,630pm
AMC Empire 25,,201911220215,42,303,986.58,915pm
AMC Empire 25,,201911220000,17,377,280.33,700pm
AMC Empire 25,,201911220245,17,377,280.33,945pm
AMC 34th Street 14,,201911212300,49,219,1077.51,600pm
AMC 34th Street 14,,201911220135,41,219,901.59,835pm
AMC 34th Street 14,,201911220410,29,219,637.71,1110pm
AMC 34th Street 14,,201911212330,11,289,175.89,630pm
AMC 34th Street 14,,201911220210,6,289,95.94,910pm
AMC Kips Bay 15,,201911212300,54,174,917.46,600pm
AMC Kips Bay 15,,201911220140,45,174,764.55,840pm
AMC 19th St,,201911212300,16,163,271.84,600pm
AMC 19th St,,201911220145,14,163,237.86,845pm
AMC Lincoln Square 13,,201911220230,121,480,3084.29,930pm
AMC Lincoln Square 13,,201911212300,9,342,148.41,600pm
AMC Lincoln Square 13,,201911220200,7,342,115.43,900pm
AMC Village 7,,201911220015,26,105,571.74,715pm
AMC Village 7,,201911220245,11,105,241.89,945pm
AMC Village 7,,201911212300,21,108,377.79,600pm
AMC Village 7,,201911220130,18,108,323.82,830pm
AMC 84th Street 6,,201911212300,35,173,839.65,600pm
AMC 84th Street 6,,201911220130,18,173,431.82,830pm
AMC 84th Street 6,,201911220355,5,173,119.95,1055pm
AMC 84th Street 6,,201911212330,25,182,499.75,630pm
AMC 84th Street 6,,201911220205,11,182,219.89,905pm
AMC Orpheum 7,,201911212300,19,358,300.01,600pm
AMC Orpheum 7,,201911220130,11,358,173.69,830pm
AMC Newport Centre 11,,201911212300,27,106,499.23,600pm
AMC Newport Centre 11,,201911220200,41,106,593.68,900pm
AMC Magic Johnson Harlem 9,,201911212300,9,117,168.21,600pm
AMC Magic Johnson Harlem 9,,201911220145,7,117,130.83,845pm
AMC Magic Johnson Harlem 9,,201911212330,6,268,82.14,630pm
AMC Magic Johnson Harlem 9,,201911220215,0,268,0,915pm

I think AMC just missed the boat on this one and didn't give it enough shows, and are losing people to other chains. Especially with both Porthos and Inceptionzq showing pretty strong numbers for previews.

[keysersoze123]

13 minutes ago, Menor said:

I think AMC just missed the boat on this one and didn't give it enough shows, and are losing people to other chains. Especially with both Porthos and Inceptionzq showing pretty strong numbers for previews.

In New york you dont have Cinemark. its not doing great at major Regal Plexes either. Why would people avoid watching it in Lincoln Square Imax at prime time !!!

[cdsacken]

I agree it's so odd that it wouldn't do great in New York. Guess we'll see but the data is shocking thus far.

[PKMLover]

11 minutes ago, cdsacken said:

I agree it's so odd that it wouldn't do great in New York. Guess we'll see but the data is shocking thus far.

Why data is shocking?

[Menor the Destroyer]

52 minutes ago, keysersoze123 said:

In New york you dont have Cinemark. its not doing great at major Regal Plexes either. Why would people avoid watching it in Lincoln Square Imax at prime time !!!

I see your point, it's probably just underperforming in NY for whatever reason. But for AMC as a whole I think it may be possible they are doing less business than usual due to low show count.

[cdsacken]

1 hour ago, PKMLover said:

Why data is shocking?

NYC AMC data. Fandango sales are awesome as our Cinemark nationally. I think AMC is a lock even in NYC. Opening weekend let's say their are spots. 50k alist people will go ahead and reserve seats for *free . Often it seems like kid/animated films get forgotten by many. 

 

 

[keysersoze123]

it could be that families are waiting for thanksgiving week. After all there is school during Frozen 2 release. So they would prefer this to be family affair during thanksgiving. I feel Disney should have kept the same spot as last one. Could have made a killing that week.

[narniadis]

well, technically they did keep it the same, just instead of it being a limited 5 day preview they are going wide? Its not unusual for films aiming to be large over thanksgiving and with Frozen 1 dealing with the shadow of Hunger Games 2 its understandable why Disney is taking this playbook today.

[Menor the Destroyer]

45 minutes ago, keysersoze123 said:

it could be that families are waiting for thanksgiving week. After all there is school during Frozen 2 release. So they would prefer this to be family affair during thanksgiving. I feel Disney should have kept the same spot as last one. Could have made a killing that week.

But why wouldn't it be so at Cinemark? Cinemark sales are like absurdly good lol

[Eric Atreides]

Frozen II Greater Philadelphia Area Seat Report T-13 and Counting

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats Sold	Total Seats	Perct Sold
TOTALS	0	65	770	15,444	4.99%

 

Total Seats Sold Today: 64

 

Comp

6.210x of Maleficent 13 days before release (14.28M)

 

Adjusted Comp

0.363x of Lion King (8.35M)

[Eric Atreides]

Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Greater Philadelphia Area Seat Report T-41 and Counting

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats Sold	Total Seats	Perct Sold
TOTALS	1	164	8,198	28,932	28.34%

 

Comp

4.310x of Once Upon’s final count (25M)

2.367x of It: Chapter Two (24.85M)

1.670x of Joker (22.21M)

 

Adjusted Comp

0.683x of Lion King (15.72M)

3.243x of Hobbs & Shaw (18.81M)

 

Might as well copy Porthos and compare current #s to the final count. At least I have something to glance at for the time being.

[keysersoze123]

2 hours ago, Menor said:

But why wouldn't it be so at Cinemark? Cinemark sales are like absurdly good lol

while F2 cinemark sales are impressive, dont forget the entire sale for the weekend is just 150K tickets. That with child tickets is just 1.2m. AMC is twice as big as Cinemark and Regal is also bigger(656 theaters).

 

That said its still impressive and F2 is locked to have big OW. Just question of how big.

[FlashMaster659]

Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Inland Empire Area Premiere Night Seat Report: T-41 Days

 

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats Sold	Total Seats	Seats Left	Perct Sold
TOTALS	2	256	12306	53600	41294	22.96%

 

Total Seats Sold Today: 35

[Porthos]

The Rise of Skywalker Greater Sacramento Area Premiere Night Seat Report: T-41 days and counting

 

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats left	Total Seats	Seats Sold	Perct Sold
TOTALS	2	204	12334	24000	11666	48.61%

 

Total Seats Sold Today

80

 

T-41 Adjusted Comp (EXTREMELY LOL - DON'T USE FOR MUCH OF ANYTHING)

	%		Sold T-41	Total Sold		Sellouts/Shows	Seats Left/Total Seats	Perct Sold		Comp
CM	429.58		26	2596		0/81	8018/10614	24.46%		88.92m
TROS (adj)	n/a		79	11152		2/204	11586/22738	49.05%		n/a

ADJUSTMENT NOTE: TROS (adj) is the ticket data at the same theaters I had tracking info for Captain Marvel.

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Estimated TROS Gross So Far:

	%		Final Sold		TROS Sold		Comp
IW	65.74		15159		9966		25.64m
DP2	122.54		8133		9966		22.79m
Solo	172.15		5789		9966		24.27m
JW:FK	160.02		6228		9966		24.48m
AM&tW	216.42		4605		9966		24.89m
Venom	230.34		4493		10349		23.03m
CM	105.68		10553		11152		21.87m
EG	41.84		26655		11152		25.10m
TLK	101.59		10977		11152		23.37m
It 2	206.15		5659		11666		21.65m
AVG							23.71m

NOTE: FINAL SOLD is the amount of tickets sold at stop of tracking for the given movie and TROS SOLD is the amount of tickets sold so far at the same theaters I had tracking info for the movie in question.

Edited November 10, 2019 by Porthos

[Porthos]

Frozen 2 Greater Sacramento Area Premiere Night Seat Report: T-13 days and counting

 

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats left	Total Seats	Seats Sold	Perct Sold
TOTALS	0	116	14975	16484	1509	9.15%

 

Total Seats Sold Today

121

 

T-13 Adjusted Comp (LOL at this stage due to one-week difference in sale length)

	%		Sold T-13	Total Sold		Sellouts / Shows	Seats Left / Total Seats	Perct Sold		Comp
Aladdin	179.07		70	817		0/70	9180/9997	8.17%		12.53m
TS4	91.95		48	1591		0/90	10722/12313	12.92%		11.03m
TLK	57.17		107	2559		0/187	17838/20397	12.55%		13.15m
Frozen 2 (adj)	n/a		114	1463		0/116	12693/14156	10.33%		n/a

PRE-SALES NOTE: Aladdin and The Lion King both had 25 days of pre-sales and Toy Story 4 had 24 days of pre-sales.  In comparison Frozen 2 had 18 days of pre-sales. 

ADJUSTMENT NOTE:  Frozen 2 (adj) is the ticket data at the same theaters I had tracking info for all of the movies in that stat block.

[FlashMaster659]

Frozen II Inland Empire Area Premiere Night Seat Report: T-13 Days

 

	Sellouts	Showings	Seats Sold	Total Seats	Seats Left	Perct Sold
TOTALS	0	113	1607	29652	28045	5.42%

 

Total Shows Added Today: 8

Total Seats Added Today: 2774

Total Seats Sold Today: 106

[keysersoze123]

On 11/7/2019 at 10:44 PM, keysersoze123 said:

Frozen 2 (T-14)

Cin Prev - 27298/381744 $335807 2380 shows +2234
Cin OD -  41976/733937 $448710 4330 shows +4593
Cin D2 - 50463/732976 $482997 4350 shows +5142
Cin D3 - 26363/729837 $242939 4306 shows +3220

Overall +15189

 

WOW. its on tear at Cinemark for sure. Weird why its so weak at AMC. Still at just 1500 shows and sadly I am not able to pull the data. I had thought Cinemark would slow down faster than what I am seeing. This is really crazy strong.  Barely dropping 13% from yesterday.

Frozen (T-13)

Cin Prev -  29891/381136 (2376 shows) +2593
Cin OD - overall 4330 shows 47136/733937 post 6PM 1607 shows 24506/275648 +5160
Cin D2 - overall 4350 shows 56482/732976 post 6PM 1610 shows 6737/275133+6019
Cin D3 - overall 4305 shows 29624/729705 .post 6PM 1569 shows 2479/269572 27999.00 +3261
Overall +17033

 

No words beyond that its just amazing. it actually increased from the crazy day yesterday !!!