The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread: Electric Boogaloo

[Porthos]

Off the board for most of the day, so I missed @Jedi Jat's comment (and I haven't caught up with most posts made here, prob read them later).

 

Showtime count for Frozen 2 is pretty healthy for this far out... But it isn't showing at two of the theaters I might expect it to be at.   Now Disney flicks don't always max out the theaters here, especially if they are rival brands near each other (say a Regal and a Cinemark within a couple of miles of each other).  But sometimes they'll waive that to juice up showtimes.

 

The one notable eyebrow raiser is that the local SMG only has one showing up.  Now they usually only have two or three at this stage, so whateveas.  But that showing is nearly sold out, so I'd expect them to go ahead and add that second showing before they get to their full slate later.

 

With all of that out of the way:

 

Recent Family Films at 11 days out (ie last night).

Pika Pika: 75 showings

Aladdin:   70 showings

TS4:         90 showings

TLK:       191 showings

F2:         118 showings

 

TLK was freaky on the level of showings.  But I've been commenting all year long, starting with Captain Marvel. about how theaters are goosing up the showtimes for anything they think might be catching lightning in a bottle.  Or are just plain desperate for butts in the seats in the case of Joker.

 

Either way, super sized TS4 at the moment might be the best way to look at it.  If I had a Incredibles 2 comp, I'd give it as I still think that's the best comp on the board.  But, alas, I don't.  So the above will have to do.

[keysersoze123]

at Sacremento the show count is not that different except TLK but at Empire 25/Lincoln/Metreon 16 the difference is HUMONGOUS.

 

Empire 25 - 6 vs 40

Lincoln Sq - 3 vs 33 (though there could be 6PM Imax pulled out)

Metreon no shows on thursday listed !!!! TLK at Imax, Dolby, 2d and 3D.

 

As I said just 1529 reserved shows at AMC is incredibly low. friday/saturday are good but at Mal 2 level for now. For example Joker had 6000+ shows by the time it released for saturday. SW9 already has 5198 shows listed.

[Menor the Destroyer]

37 minutes ago, keysersoze123 said:

At last I have some macro data from AMC for F2.

F2 Day 2(since I thought this would be most important day from OW perspective).

overall 3535 shows 64675/742277  post 6PM 1650 shows 15204/350817

Special Dolby Screening(103 shows) - 8738/19724

Overall - 73413/762001

 

Just above Cinemark Day 2. normally Cinemark is like 60% of AMC. Still big numbers considering there is 12.5 days to go for D2 shows.

Very healthy numbers, even if Cinemark and AMC had usual ratios it would still be beating TLK at this point. 

[TwoMisfits]

So, with the weird Frozen showing sets and sales at AMCs...does anyone wonder what contract Disney might have had theaters sign to get the movie?  Might the low showings and screen counts actually be b/c Disney is requiring an enormous 1st weekend take, a large time screen hold (each screen it gets must hold 4 weeks or something), or something else onerous...and theaters want to really see results from presales before going all in?

[Inceptionzq]

On 11/10/2019 at 3:17 PM, Inceptionzq said:

The Rise of Skywalker Thursday Night Showings Denver

AMC Westminster 24

Total

1565

3153

AMC Highlands Ranch 24

Total

1603

3926

 

SEATS SOLD	SOLD TODAY	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD	THEATERS	SHOWINGS
7708	61	22870	33.70%	9	182

The Rise of Skywalker Thursday Night Showings Denver

AMC Westminster 24

Total

1567

3153

AMC Highlands Ranch 24

Total

1612

3926

 

SEATS SOLD	SOLD TODAY	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD	THEATERS	SHOWINGS
7749	41	22870	33.88%	9	182

[keysersoze123]

17 minutes ago, TwoMisfits said:

So, with the weird Frozen showing sets and sales at AMCs...does anyone wonder what contract Disney might have had theaters sign to get the movie?  Might the low showings and screen counts actually be b/c Disney is requiring an enormous 1st weekend take, a large time screen hold (each screen it gets must hold 4 weeks or something), or something else onerous...and theaters want to really see results from presales before going all in?

That is possible. Chains might do it for SW9 or Avengers but not for F2. Plus this is not a good time for Plexes to block huge number of shows for a movie considering how many releases happen over December. Jumanji 2 is releasing after 3 weeks and that will get a big release and then Disney's own SW9 opens.

 

Otherwise I dont understand why its so low. But things could still change by next week. Let us wait and watch.

[TalismanRing]

NYC Local  - Monday

 

Ford v Ferrari	50/1152	(4pm)
Charlies Angels	18/903	(4pm)

Chart behind the cut

 

Spoiler

 

NYC Local	Mon		Tues		Wed		Thur		Previews	Preview Start
Shazam!					129/2229	(Afternoon)	187/2229	(3:30pm)	$5.9m	4:00 PM
Avengers: Endgame	3948/4,736	(12am)			4,853/5493	(9pm)			$60m	6:00 PM
Aladdin			98/1242	(12pm)					$7m	6:00 PM
Godzilla 2					135/1915	(7:45pm)	204/2150	(3:30pm)	$6.3m	4:00 PM
X-Men: DP			103/942	(4pm)	209/942	(3:15pm)	272/942	(3:45pm)	$5m	6:00 PM
SLOP 2			38/771	(4pm)	43/771	(3:15pm)			$2.3m	6:00 PM
Toy Story 4			165/2049	(4pm)	233/2049	(7:40pm)			$12m	6:00 PM
SM:FFH	142/922								$2.8m	Midnights Only
The Lion King	236/3228	(6:30pm)	294/3228	(6:20pm)	444/3228	(4:30pm)	557/3228	(4:30pm)	$23m	6:00 PM
OUATIH			117/1179	(2:15pm)	159/1179	(4pm)	335/1179	(4:20pm)	$5.8m	4:00 PM
Hobbs & Shaw	60/1543	(5:20pm)			181/1543	(4pm)			$5.8m	7:00 PM
IT Part 2	147/2764	(9am)			239/2764	(7:10pm)			$10.5m	5:00 PM
Hustlers			45/512	(4:30pm)		(4:30pm)		(4:30pm)	$2.5m	6:00 PM
Downton Abbey (eps)			37/301	(4:30pm)		(4:30pm)		(4:30pm)	$2.2m	7:00 PM
Ad Astra			26/602	(4:30pm)	26/602	(4:30pm)	41/602	(4:30pm)	$1.5m	6:00 PM
Downton Abbey			31/512	(4:30pm)	39/512	(4:30pm)	52/1015	(4:30pm)	$2.1m	7:00 PM
Rambo			29/302	(4:30pm)	53/1242	(4:30pm)	58/1242	(4:30pm)	$1.3m	6:00 PM
Abominable			30/255	(4:30pm)		(4:30pm)	73/1969	(4:30pm)	$.65m	6:00 PM
Joker (-1 week)	104/2766	(9am)	172/2766	(4:30pm)			217/3536	(4pm)		4:00 PM
Joker	328/3536	(4:20pm)	399/3536	(4pm)	542/3536	(4pm)	760/3741	(3:45pm)	$13.3m	4:00 PM
Gemini Man			38/1004	(4pm)	38/1004	(4pm)	78/1004	[6:30pm]	$1.55m	7:00 PM
Adams Family		(4pm)	53/1373	(4pm)	49/1373	(4pm)			$1.25m	4:00 PM
Maleficent 2	39/1154	(4pm)	42/1154	(4pm)	33/834	(4pm)	96/1425	[6pm]	$2.3m	7:00 PM
Zombieland 2	51/1114	(4pm)	53/1114	(4pm)	67/1177	(4pm)	95/1478	[6pm]	$2.85m	7:00 PM
Black & Blue			19/410	(4pm)			20/410	(4pm)	$.68m	7:00 PM
Countdown			15/511	(4pm)			19/411	(4pm)	$.52m	7:00 PM
Terminator: DF	71/1242	(4pm)	71/1242	(4pm)	76/1242	(5:30pm)	113/1242	(4pm)	$2.35m	7:00 PM
Harriet	25/512	(4pm)	25/512	(4pm)	27/512	(5:30pm)	29/512	(4pm)	$.6m	7:00 PM
Midway	20/512	(4pm)	23/512	(4pm)	22/512	(4:30pm)	27/512	(5pm)	$.925m	7:00 PM
Dr Sleep	23/510	(4pm)	28/510	(4pm)	28/510	(4:30pm)	53/512	(5pm)	$1.5m	6:00 PM
Last Christmas	12/496	(4pm)	12/496	(4pm)	12/496	(4:30pm)	16/496	(5pm)	$.575m	7:00 PM
Playing With Fire	15/654	(4pm)	15/654	(4pm)	15/654	(4:30pm)	18/654	(4pm)		4:00 PM
Ford v Ferrari	50/1152	(4pm)		(4pm)		(5:30pm)		(4pm)		6:00 PM
Charlies Angels	18/903	(4pm)		(4pm)		(5:30pm)		(4pm)		4:00 PM

 

 

[Porthos]

22 minutes ago, TwoMisfits said:

So, with the weird Frozen showing sets and sales at AMCs...does anyone wonder what contract Disney might have had theaters sign to get the movie?  Might the low showings and screen counts actually be b/c Disney is requiring an enormous 1st weekend take, a large time screen hold (each screen it gets must hold 4 weeks or something), or something else onerous...and theaters want to really see results from presales before going all in?

What's really strange is AMC got a Fan Event exclusive on Saturday.

 

Ok, fair enough on the debate of one hour earlier showing on Thr vs super early showing on Sat.  Whaeveas.  Not gonna take part in that.  But AMC has that Dolby Event on Sat, it's just super odd for them to have low showtimes everywhere else.

 

If folks see what I am saying.

[TalismanRing]

Just now, Porthos said:

What's really strange is AMC got a Fan Event exclusive on Saturday.

 

Ok, fair enough on the debate of one hour earlier showing on Thr vs super early showing on Sat.  Whaeveas.  Not gonna take part in that.  But AMC has that Dolby Event on Sat, it's just super odd for them to have low showtimes everywhere else.

 

If folks see what I am saying.

The Saturday makes sense since school is in and that's their biggest fan base.  The AMC exclusive - not so much.

 

There's been a lot of films released in the last couple of weeks and there's going to be a lot of screen drops - so there's going to a lot more open showings that can be booked.  Frozen is primarily a family movie so it's still going to be very walk up heavy - there's really not a rush to get all the preview shows online two weeks ahead.

 

 

 

 

 

[Inceptionzq]

On 11/10/2019 at 3:38 PM, Inceptionzq said:

Frozen 2 Thursday Night Showings Denver

AMC Westminster 24

Total

218

1030

AMC Highlands Ranch 24

Total

238

1695

 

SEATS SOLD	SOLD TODAY	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD	THEATERS	SHOWINGS
1098	76	10169	10.80%	9	59

 

Adjusted Lion King comp: 12.89M

Frozen 2 Thursday Night Showings Denver

AMC Westminster 24

Total

225

1030

AMC Highlands Ranch 24

Total

263

1695

 

SEATS SOLD	SOLD TODAY	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD	THEATERS	SHOWINGS
1164	66	10723	10.86%	9	61

 

Showings added: 2

Seats added: 554

 

Adjusted Lion King comp: 12.89M

 

I did an OD count for Frozen 2 to see how far ahead of previews it is. As of almost 2 hours ago, it was at 1646 tickets sold. Which is 141% of previews. Pretty far behind the Cinemark data from @keysersoze123, which had OD at 161% of previews as of yesterday. But still looks really good.

[Inceptionzq]

On 11/10/2019 at 3:50 PM, Inceptionzq said:

Ford v Ferrari Thursday Night Showings Denver

AMC Westminster 24

Total

41

434

AMC Highlands Ranch 24

Total

42

738

 

SEATS SOLD	SOLD TODAY	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD	THEATERS	SHOWINGS
140	35	3107	4.51%	8	19

 

Adjusted Terminator comp: 1.82M

Adjusted Ad Astra comp: 2.11M

Adjusted Rambo comp: 2.11M

Ford v Ferrari Thursday Night Showings Denver

AMC Westminster 24

Total

46

434

AMC Highlands Ranch 24

Total

59

738

 

SEATS SOLD	SOLD TODAY	TOTAL SEATS	PERCENT SOLD	THEATERS	SHOWINGS
175	35	4267	4.10%	8	21

 

Adjusted Terminator comp: 1.91M

Adjusted Ad Astra comp: 1.91M

Adjusted Rambo comp: 1.95M

[Inceptionzq]

To add to the Frozen post, my area is heavily AMC. Previews are about 70%, and OD is about 67%. So, I wanted to see if there was a notable difference in the OD/Previews ratio vs the Cinemark data.

Edited November 11, 2019 by Inceptionzq

[keysersoze123]

43 minutes ago, TalismanRing said:

The Saturday makes sense since school is in and that's their biggest fan base.  The AMC exclusive - not so much.

 

There's been a lot of films released in the last couple of weeks and there's going to be a lot of screen drops - so there's going to a lot more open showings that can be booked.  Frozen is primarily a family movie so it's still going to be very walk up heavy - there's really not a rush to get all the preview shows online two weeks ahead.

 

 

 

 

 

TLK did. Though one could say that had 25. years of anticipation built in and so played more broadly than a famly movie and that made its OW more frontloaded than a typical family movie.

[keysersoze123]

17 minutes ago, Inceptionzq said:

To add to the Frozen post, my area is heavily AMC. Previews are about 70%, and OD is about 67%. So, I wanted to see if there was a notable difference in the OD/Previews ratio vs the Cinemark data.

Can you message me AMC theaters you track. i can send you saturday numbers for you to extrapolate.

Edit: if its just the 2 theaters you posted above then saturday is at 1570/7107(41 shows).

 

Spoiler

amc-highlands-ranch-24,85714667,201911240445,0,170,0,945pm
amc-highlands-ranch-24,85714742,201911240415,0,224,0,915pm
amc-highlands-ranch-24,85714774,201911240515,0,398,0,1015pm
amc-highlands-ranch-24,85714842,201911240300,0,60,0,800pm
amc-highlands-ranch-24,85714843,201911240545,0,60,0,1045pm
amc-westminster-promenade-24,85580097,201911240515,0,57,0,1015pm
amc-westminster-promenade-24,85580192,201911240530,0,169,0,1030pm
amc-westminster-promenade-24,85580205,201911240445,0,231,0,945pm
amc-westminster-promenade-24,85580269,201911240415,0,102,0,915pm
amc-westminster-promenade-24,85580094,201911232100,2,57,30.96,200pm
amc-westminster-promenade-24,85580096,201911240230,2,57,35.98,730pm
amc-highlands-ranch-24,85714844,201911240015,3,60,52.47,515pm
amc-westminster-promenade-24,85580191,201911240300,4,169,57.96,800pm
amc-highlands-ranch-24,85714773,201911240230,6,398,110.94,730pm
amc-westminster-promenade-24,85580093,201911231815,6,57,61.14,1115am
amc-westminster-promenade-24,85580095,201911232345,7,57,125.93,445pm
amc-highlands-ranch-24,85714845,201911232130,9,60,134.91,230pm
amc-westminster-promenade-24,85580268,201911240130,13,102,188.37,630pm
amc-westminster-promenade-24,85580190,201911240015,15,169,217.35,515pm
amc-westminster-promenade-24,85729855,201911231700,15,53,100.20,1000am
amc-highlands-ranch-24,85714846,201911231845,21,60,216.09,1145am
amc-highlands-ranch-24,85714775,201911232345,23,398,425.27,445pm
amc-westminster-promenade-24,85580272,201911232245,24,102,287.76,345pm
amc-highlands-ranch-24,85714666,201911240200,31,170,418.19,700pm
amc-westminster-promenade-24,85580201,201911240200,35,231,664.65,700pm
amc-highlands-ranch-24,85714776,201911232100,37,398,591.63,200pm
amc-westminster-promenade-24,85580203,201911232030,40,231,659.60,130pm
amc-westminster-promenade-24,85580204,201911232315,40,231,759.60,415pm
amc-westminster-promenade-24,85580271,201911232000,47,102,563.53,100pm
amc-highlands-ranch-24,85714668,201911232315,51,170,687.99,415pm
amc-highlands-ranch-24,85714741,201911240130,63,224,1133.37,630pm
amc-westminster-promenade-24,85580270,201911231715,63,102,420.84,1015am
amc-highlands-ranch-24,85714777,201911231815,76,398,858.04,1115am
amc-highlands-ranch-24,85714740,201911232245,81,224,1254.69,345pm
amc-westminster-promenade-24,85580189,201911232130,85,169,1019.15,230pm
amc-highlands-ranch-24,85714669,201911232030,90,170,989.10,130pm
amc-westminster-promenade-24,85580143,201911231615,110,169,734.80,915am
amc-westminster-promenade-24,85580188,201911231845,118,169,788.24,1145am
amc-highlands-ranch-24,85714739,201911232000,126,224,1951.74,100pm
amc-westminster-promenade-24,85580202,1000am,147,231,0.00,1000am
amc-highlands-ranch-24,85710591,1000am,180,224,0.00,1000am

 

 

Edited November 11, 2019 by keysersoze123

[ZackM]

The Rise of Skywalker - Various theater chains (Michigan) - Premiere Night Seat Report: T-38 days and counting

11/11/2019	Showings	Seats Left	Total Seats	Seats Sold	Pct. Sold
Total	232	29,388	41,155	11,767	28.59%
Theater	Showings	Seats Left	Total Seats	Seats Sold	Pct. Sold
Ada Lowell 5	2	44	158	114	72.15%
AMC FORUM 30	45	6,776	8,003	1,227	15.33%
AMC GRAND RAPIDS 18	17	754	1,403	649	46.26%
AMC HOLLAND 8	4	154	409	255	62.35%
AMC JOHN R 15	11	307	1,253	946	75.50%
AMC LIVONIA 20	10	1,362	2,226	864	38.81%
AMC PORTAGE STREET 10	8	523	890	367	41.24%
AMC STAR GRATIOT 15	17	1,235	1,634	399	24.42%
AMC STAR GREAT LAKES 25	25	5,030	5,584	554	9.92%
AMC STAR SOUTHFIELD 20	14	5,609	5,690	81	1.42%
AMC WOODHAVEN VILLAGE 10	8	508	850	342	40.24%
Bay City 10 GDX	2	326	507	181	35.70%
Celebration Cinema Benton	7	297	540	243	45.00%
Celebration Cinema Crossroads	8	236	1,136	900	79.23%
Celebration Cinema GR North	8	766	1,923	1,157	60.17%
Celebration Cinema GR South	4	487	1,024	537	52.44%
Celebration Cinema Lansing	9	414	1,086	672	61.88%
Celebration Cinema Mt Pleasant	5	995	1,145	150	13.10%
Celebration Cinema Rivertown	6	1,138	1,858	720	38.75%
Cinema Carousel	6	740	1,138	398	34.97%
Holland 7	2	54	210	156	74.29%
Krafft 8	2	159	206	47	22.82%
Quality 10 GDX	4	908	1,360	452	33.24%
Studio C Meridian Mall	4	362	596	234	39.26%
W. Columbia 7	4	204	326	122	37.42%

 

 

Some really wild stuff when I break it down by theater.

[cdsacken]

1 hour ago, keysersoze123 said:

TLK did. Though one could say that had 25. years of anticipation built in and so played more broadly than a famly movie and that made its OW more frontloaded than a typical family movie.

It was front loaded because it kinda sucked as well. If Frozen 2 is awesome it will have awesome legs. Like WW, Aquman, Joker, TS4, Aladdin etc.

[Old Spice]

Salt Lake Preview Night update for Salt Lake City Cinemark Sugarhouse, Ford vs Ferarri and Charlie's Angels.

 

Ford vs Ferarri

Two showtimes (but neither is ideal; 6:00 and 9:25 PM)

Total tix sold 20/214

 

Charlie

Three showtimes

Total tix sold 1/186

 

After Doctor Sleep I feel gun-shy about predicting anything anymore, but FvF has good awareness around here and I could easily see it doing Rocketman or Downton Abbey numbers. Charlie is absolutely stillborn, but if PWF can open to $12M I suppose this can too.

 

Will update Thursday afternoon.

 

 

[Porthos]

56 minutes ago, ZackM said:

AMC STAR GREAT LAKES 25	25	5,030	5,584	554	9.92%
AMC STAR SOUTHFIELD 20	14	5,609	5,690	81	1.42%

*Googles these two theaters*

*scans their Yelp reviews*

56 minutes ago, ZackM said:

Some really wild stuff when I break it down by theater.

You don't say.

 

===

 

Yelp reviews aren't everything, of course.  But they're not nothing, either.

[cdsacken]

How bad is Charlie's angels gonna do? Looking hoorific

[TalismanRing]

27 minutes ago, cdsacken said:

How bad is Charlie's angels gonna do? Looking hoorific

Still early, but looking like low double digits