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Jojo Rabbit | 18 OCT 2019 | WW2 Dramedy from ACADEMY AWARD NOMINEE Taika Waititi | Taika Waititi is literally Hitler | 7 Oscars Noms Including Best Picture

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58 minutes ago, The Futurist said:

History is told by the winners.

ANybody who says this shows how ignorant of history they are.

Anyway, your whole contrarian shcitck has gotten old. One Armond White is enough.

1 hour ago, TalismanRing said:

If neither bought Fox they weren't going to just keep on going on;  they wanted to sell.  They'd most likely have sold Fox entertainment off piece-meal then and like it or not as movie fans but the movie studio part of Fox was probably the least compelling asset - especially if it was stripped of it's library (like poor MGM).  As a studio sans library - especially to another film studio - it's chief assets are the contracts for Avatar and Marvel - franchises.  

The Fox Library was the main reason Disney made the deal.

Yeah, MGM/UA selling it's film library to Ted Turner was pretty much spelled their end as a  major studio. Of course, the reason they did it was to avoid bankrupticy so they were going down the tubes anyway.

1 hour ago, YourMother the Edgelord said:

Again I get that. I would prefer Fox not to sell or sell to a smaller studio than those two but it’s not my decision, and that’s not what they wanted.

 

I just don’t like the deal in general, I know this would happen regardless if Comcast/Disney/Sony/Viacom/etc bought it. I’m just voicing my concerns as well as my disdain and frustration for what’s happening now.

Then BLame Rupert Murdoch...he is the one who wanted to get out of the film business, and put Fox Studios up for sale.Once that happened, it was only a question of who would win the bidding war.

But yeah, it is a bit sad...Darryl Zanuck is probably trying to beat the crap out of Walt Disney in Hollywood Heaven.

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3 hours ago, The Futurist said:

Glad we have a movie about how fucking evil socialism was/is.

It was about time.

Thank you Taika.

Considering you've in the past used phrasing whose origins can be traced back to the actual nazis seemingly unironically, this display of ignorance only raises further questions than it answers.

 

Or it could just be more of your contrarian trolling. Get a new act.

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Imagine if a film like FOX's The Revenant was currently in post production  development ...Disney execs watching test screenings will probably have multiple heart attacks....order pg 13 cut....kill any marketing push thinking it will bomb...

 

The idiots.... 

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5 hours ago, YourMother the Edgelord said:

So let me get this straight:

- Fox is downsized with half of the product going to Disney+/Hulu with a franchise focus in mind

- Animation studios which some argued Universal would kill like Locksmith is only getting one film and Blue Sky potentially only doing sequels 

- Lumberjanes adaptation cancellation hurts

- Deadpool potentially in limbo

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- a satire from the studio favorite like Waititi already has doubts, which Searchlight being the only clear survivor may be unsure.

 

dISneY bUYiNg FoX IS oNLy GoOd (actually though Comcast would’ve been slightly worse but it’s still bad)

 

It's not great, but the other two options were Comcast (would have been worse than the Disney acquisition, probably) and Fox completely imploding in a couple years as they fail to adapt to the age of blockbuster franchises.

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4 hours ago, Valonqar said:

If Disney ruins FS and Fox so fuckin what? There are plenty of studios churning out prestige movies, Oscar baits, etc. I don't understand crying over Disney domination when it isn't like only they make movies. I see plenty of movies that don't have their logo or follow similar formula and still make money. 

Fox Searchlight is the biggest producer of "Oscar bait." Its closure would be a huge blow to the sub-genre. The runner-up is, what, Annapurna? Lol

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5 hours ago, Valonqar said:

If Disney ruins FS and Fox so fuckin what? There are plenty of studios churning out prestige movies, Oscar baits, etc. I don't understand crying over Disney domination when it isn't like only they make movies. I see plenty of movies that don't have their logo or follow similar formula and still make money. 

 

Well financed one ?

 

How many would have paid $13 million to the right to play this :

 

 

 

In american theater (and some select intl markets) ?

 

FS historically have been pretty much the best at it.

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Warner Bros, Netflix, A24 make movies that are opposite of Disney. 

 

Also, just because one report about some most likely coked up exec freaking out over obvi satire made headlines, it doesn't mean Horn and Iger are gonna nix the whole studio and their slate. lets see how thing go with Jojo but I see no reason why things wouldn't go well. Wouldn't Disney want to keep good relationship with Waititi? 

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12 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

Warner Bros, Netflix, A24 make movies that are opposite of Disney. 

 

And ? For one Netflix rarely release them were I leave, 2 loosing in a short time Weinstein, Annapurna, Fox Searchlight do sound like quite the hit on the buyers. Specially in the context that many tried over the year and arguably non were has good at it than FSL.

 

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Also, just because one report about some most likely coked up exec freaking out over obvi satire made headlines, it doesn't mean Horn and Iger are gonna nix the whole studio and their slate.

True.

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Wait, Disney is seriously concerned that a Fox Searchlight movie is too edgy? I don’t know why I’m surprised, but that only serves to reinforce a major reason I dislike Disney. They are obsessed with trying to maintain their image as this wonderfully magical family friendly company. It’s actually kind of creepy. Still, considering that this is the same corporation that used to own Miramax, part of me assumed that they would’ve been okay with Fox Searchlight releasing edgy films, so long as the Disney name wasn’t explicitly attached to them. 

 

I’ve said this before, but Rupert Murdoch selling 20th Century Fox was a terrible decision, especially selling it to a studio like Disney, who try their hardest to be as non-controversial as possible. If Murdoch felt that he didn’t want to compete in the entertainment industry anymore, he could’ve just retired. The man’s almost 90 and already had a ridiculous amount of money anyway. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, BeastByTheBay said:

Idk why tech giants like Amazon, Google or Apple, didn't buy Fox. Especially Apple since they're jumping into the streaming business 

Would have been hard to match the price of what a Disney would have been whiling to pay.

 

Disney had many advantage over a non studio buyer, the round of firing being an obvious one and among studio Disney is probably the best at moneytising the acquired franchise.

 

And does Amazon, Google or Apple have much interest in worldewide tv and movie theatrical distribution ? Lot of the buy value was in hundreds of millions of cable tv Indian consumer, lot of cable tv consummer in the US with regional sports business, western europe cable, latin america cable, asia, pretty much worldwide, I imagine they would have liked Hulu, the library, some element of the production but not much of all the rest.

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3 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:

Still, considering that this is the same corporation that used to own Miramax, part of me assumed that they would’ve been okay with Fox Searchlight releasing edgy films, so long as the Disney name wasn’t explicitly attached to them

Was not unusual when the Miramax movie got too controversial for Disney to not released it (Dogma, Fahrenheit 9-11, Priest, Kids) specially if they felt it could upset politician in Florida.

 

5 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:

I’ve said this before, but Rupert Murdoch selling 20th Century Fox was a terrible decision,

Terrible decision, 71 billion.... sound like a really good price, is family had a lot of vote(almost 40% I think) but were not a majority holder that could have sell it to anyone at any price.

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Just now, WittyUsername said:

Wait, Disney is seriously concerned that a Fox Searchlight movie is too edgy? I don’t know why I’m surprised, but that only serves to reinforce a major reason I dislike Disney. They are obsessed with trying to maintain their image as this wonderfully magical family friendly company. It’s actually kind of creepy. Still, considering that this is the same corporation that used to own Miramax, part of me assumed that they would’ve been okay with Fox Searchlight releasing edgy films, so long as the Disney name wasn’t explicitly attached to them. 

 

I’ve said this before, but Rupert Murdoch selling 20th Century Fox was a terrible decision, especially selling it to a studio like Disney, who try their hardest to be as non-controversial as possible. If Murdoch felt that he didn’t want to compete in the entertainment industry anymore, he could’ve just retired. The man’s almost 90 and already had a ridiculous amount of money anyway. 

 

 

That's a lot extrapolation.  Disney does not equal one executive during a screening.  The movie is reportedly being released with awards $ backing

 

FS just bought that Malick film for $13m with Disney money.

 

1. Murdochs (speaking of creepy) never have enough money.

2. Fox Entertainment as structured couldn't compete in the industry any more.   It's why they attempted to buy WB 5 years ago.  It's why CBS and Viacom are re- merging after separating a decade ago and talking of buying up other companies.

 

https://variety.com/2019/film/features/fox-disney-earnings-dark-phoenix-stuber-racing-in-the-rain-1203300260/

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Still, the Fox numbers were dismal. “Dark Phoenix” was a franchise-chilling failure that contributed to a $170 million write-down, and Fox is mired in seventh place in U.S. market share, behind all its studio rivals.

 

“If Disney hadn’t bought Fox and they were just going along with business as usual, there’d still be layoffs and there’d be a For Sale sign on the lot,” says Jeff Bock, box office analyst with Exhibitor Relations. “There’s no way they’d have been able to survive in this climate.”

 

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1 minute ago, Barnack said:

Terrible decision, 71 billion.... sound like a really good price, is family had a lot of vote(almost 40% I think) but were not a majority holder that could have sell it to anyone at any price.

I don’t mean it was a terrible decision for him. Of course selling 20th Century Fox was great for Murdoch. He got exactly what he wanted by doing that. Im saying that it was a terrible decision for the film industry as a whole. 

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9 minutes ago, Barnack said:

Terrible decision, 71 billion.... sound like a really good price, is family had a lot of vote(almost 40% I think) but were not a majority holder that could have sell it to anyone at any price.

Why would anyone want Murdoch to get 71 billion to fuel his right-wing trite?

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31 minutes ago, TMP said:

Why would anyone want Murdoch to get 71 billion to fuel his right-wing trite?

Murdoch didn't get 71 billion, Fox shareholder did and they voted yes to make a lot of money (that was a massive hike over the stock price). Murdochs hole family made about 8-9B mostly in Disney stock I think (he had around 17% of Fox), that made people that wanted for it to happen, fan of FoxNews being an other group that probably want it to happen.

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Honestly, stories of there being nervousness (whether it's Disney or Fox past or present) surrounding this don't sound too blown out of proportion. Anything Hitler-centric is automatically gonna be a tough sell and face a ton of scrutiny. Everyone's just gonna have to wait and see how people respond to the movie, which we'll know when it makes its festival debut in a few weeks.

 

As for the Disney-Fox situation, it's unfortunate, but unsurprising considering the studio was in trouble a while before the sale actually happened (they had a rough 2018 for the most part) and now Disney has inherited their slate of flop releases (things like Stuber and The Art of Racing in the Rain were never gonna cut it and Dark Phoenix was clearly a doomed movie from before the rumors of the Disney/Fox sale even emerged) greenlit under the previous regime that they had to put out. It doesn't seem like it'll get much better either; they seem confident in Ad Astra and Ford v Ferrari (whether they'll actually sell tickets is another story we'll have to wait and see about) but nothing else on the horizon. Gonna be a while until we really feel the effects of this sale either way.

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