taika! Jojo Rabbit | 18 OCT 2019 | WW2 Dramedy from ACADEMY AWARD NOMINEE Taika Waititi | Taika Waititi is literally Hitler | 7 Oscars Noms Including Best Picture

[Barnack]

22 minutes ago, LawrenceBrolivier said:

I don't think it's that obvious at all, considering the number of corporations featuring executives who very obviously value... to a considerable extent... the way racist money spends. That I would have assumed... as did more than a few other people in here, not sure why I got singled out here... an anonymous executive was worried about somehow offending right-wingers to the point they lose money on their product, isn't very far-fetched at all. It happens all the time here.

Look at the NFL, for example. 

 

The jump between right winger and pro-Hitler is really a giant one no ? (or are we really there in US politics discourse ?)

 

From the look of it, Hitler seem to be presented has an idolized version of the propaganda in a child of that time mind (I would imagine ridiculed overall but with many sequence where he is an hero), making the movie controversial (if it is just from A to B Hitler portrayed in a negative light I doubt that we would have heard any notion of something being controversial before that Disney viewing).

 

People that do not like player kneeling at the flag are not necessarily racist and even less necessarily pro-Hitler type.

 

That said the way it was reported was at best quite misleading.

Edited August 18, 2019 by Barnack

[TalismanRing]

2 minutes ago, LawrenceBrolivier said:

I don't think it's that obvious at all, considering the number of corporations featuring executives who very obviously value... to a considerable extent... the way racist money spends. That I would have assumed... as did more than a few other people in here, not sure why I got singled out here... an anonymous executive was worried about somehow offending right-wingers to the point they lose money on their product, isn't very far-fetched at all. It happens all the time here.

Look at the NFL, for example. 

Except that's not where the majority of their base comes from and most probably those listed as conservatives and republicans aren't the one screaming about boycotting SJW Disney films on YT

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/democrats-go-more-movies-republicans-1232066

 

 

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Box Office: Democrats Go to More Movies Than Republicans-polling service PostTrak.

The statistic is part of a seven-year survey released by exit

Democrats go to the movies twice as much as Republicans, a new study finds. 

 

The statistic was among many tidbits included in a seven-year survey celebrating the 1,000th movie surveyed by industry leader PostTrak, the exit-polling service founded by Rentrak (now owned by Comscore) and Screen Engine.

 

During that time period, Democrats frequented the movies far more than Republicans, or 12.4 percent versus 5.5 percent. Ditto for Independents (7.2 percent). The same also held true for ticket buyers who identified themselves as liberal and conservative (10.1 percent vs. 5 percent). Nearly 10 percent of moviegoers didn't state their political affiliation.

 

The PostTrak survey — touching on everything from streaming preferences to demo breakdowns to religious affiliation — includes information drawn from 1.25 million interviews.

 

 

[Legion Again]

10 minutes ago, LawrenceBrolivier said:

as did more than a few other people in here, not sure why I got singled out here

The other takes to that effect were equally ridiculous imo, I just happened to quote yours since it was the first I saw by happenstance.     

 

Disney's "core audience image values" or whatever are probably more Democrat than republican. I doubt they want to make a blatantly propaganda piece or anything, but they clearly don't mind one iota making products that get far right wingers upset. The audience that Disney wants to maintain their image with is 100% anti-Hitler and 0% pro-Hitler.

[LawrenceBrolivier]

11 minutes ago, Barnack said:

 

The jump between right winger and pro-Hitler is really a giant one no ? (or are we really there in US politics discourse ?)

 

We're pretty much there...

I still don't know why I'm the representative for this reaction. I wasn't alone by a long shot, and it should say something about the tenor of the country... AND the general perception of executives at major corporations... that a report about an anonymous executive worried about someone making fun of Hitler would immediately lead for some people to believe this anonymous executive was nervous about right wingers being offended enough to turn it into a social media thing.... More than a few companies have had to deal with bad faith brigading, after all. I guess it's possible the anonymous executive was worried people would be upset at making Hitler a comedic figure but I think that ship probably sailed back in 1960 with the Producers...

I think it's maybe a little more naive to believe anonymous executives are always trying to do the right thing for the right reasons as opposed to protecting and maximizing investments to ensure stockholders are happy and their jobs are secure... and frequently that means "Both sides"-ing things and playing the middle to ensure you're not sacrificing the redder, more racist-leaning dollar if you don't have to...

 

Edited August 18, 2019 by LawrenceBrolivier

[filmlover]

People who are pro-Hitler/Nazis (the fact there are such people who actually exist is horrifying enough) don't seem like the kind of people who watch movies at all anyway.

[LawrenceBrolivier]

They don't necessarily have to be pro-Hitler.... rather, they just have to be sensitive enough to see someone making fun of Hitler as a roundabout way of associating them WITH Hitler, and being "outraged" at the association... It's not so much that they're out there sticking up for Hitler's honor, but rather they dislike the idea that Hitler is being used satirically in a way that makes them feel bad and guilty... and they can't deal with that... 

The President tweeted a movie out of existence because he heard about it from people doing that very thing in response to "The Hunt" without having seen it... and it's still "ridiculous" to assume a single anonymous executive at Disney wasn't a little bit worried about angry right wing backlash to a left-wing satire starring Hitler, directed by the guy making the next Thor? 

Edited August 18, 2019 by LawrenceBrolivier

[filmlover]

5 minutes ago, LawrenceBrolivier said:

They don't necessarily have to be pro-Hitler.... rather, they just have to be sensitive enough to see someone making fun of Hitler as a roundabout way of associating them WITH Hitler, and being "outraged" at the association... It's not so much that they're out there sticking up for Hitler's honor, but rather they dislike the idea that Hitler is being used satirically in a way that makes them feel bad and guilty... and they can't deal with that... 

The President tweeted a movie out of existence because he heard about it from people doing that very thing in response to "The Hunt" without having seen it... and it's still "ridiculous" to assume a single anonymous executive at Disney wasn't a little bit worried about angry right wing backlash to their left-wing satire starring Hitler? 

Tarantino did that a decade ago and there was zero outrage whatsoever. In fact, his movie ended up quite celebrated.

 

Also, Universal was planning on pulling The Hunt well before Trump tweeted about it according to recent articles. They were taking down the posters for it on their lot the day after those shootings.

Edited August 18, 2019 by filmlover

[Barnack]

14 minutes ago, LawrenceBrolivier said:

More than a few companies have had to deal with bad faith brigading, after all. I guess it's possible the anonymous executive was worried people would be upset at making Hitler a comedic figure but I think that ship probably sailed back in 1960 with the Producers...

 

Considering Life it's Beautiful backlash or anything that can be perceived has making light of a terrible event, I think it does make sense. Spielberg using a movie thriller type of production, playing with the audience with the shower in Schindler List was quite criticized it is obviously a very sensitive subject. There was also some backlash when you reduce the German people to only the Nazy aspect that can occur (I think Weinstein said in an interview that it did occur on Life is Beautiful).

 

Back in the 90s those didn't hurt the movies too much and they delivered big time (helping)

 

14 minutes ago, LawrenceBrolivier said:

I think it's maybe a little more naive to believe anonymous executives are always trying to do the right thing for the right reasons as opposed to protecting and maximizing investments to ensure stockholders are happy and their jobs are secure... and frequently that means "Both sides"-ing things and playing the middle to ensure you're not sacrificing the redder, more racist-leaning dollar if you don't have to...

Obviously, I doubt anyone believe executives are always trying to do the right thing for the right reason (in the implied sense here), many would even say that maximizing the retirement of the million of workers and stockholder and their own employee is doing the right thing, but for a heavily top of bottom Jewish (lead actor, writer, directed) movie, laughing at Hitler, I doubt the very niche pro-Hitler crowd is on the executive mind has if they thought of him has a possible audience for a small FSL production like this from the start.

 

I agree that it is not ridiculous thought, specially the way it was written.

 

I think the right also (at least publicly) really love Hitler bashing and bashing him, it was anti-capitalist, anti-freedom, anti-smoking,vegetarian, not much if not even anti traditional religious figure that did terrible thing, USA fighting facism in WW2 is a source of historical pride for them, Hitler being ridiculed would probably not bother you average red winger at all no ?

Edited August 18, 2019 by Barnack

[LawrenceBrolivier]

I feel like you guys are trying to argue me out of the idea anonymous executives aren't really Disney Princes and I'm sorry but I don't think I was behaving ridiculously in light of the last five or so years of entertainment, politics, and nationalism venn-diagramming... Disney is the same company that fired James Gunn for 10 year old tweets because right-wing activists brigaded him... The idea there's a single anonymous guy there still twitchy about all of that, enough to mention it at a screening.... that's not very "out there" to me, at all...

People are giving the benefit of the doubt to an unnamed man for no other reason than he works at Disney and therefore couldn't be a smidge cowardly about right-wing backlash... I don't agree with that. 

[Barnack]

If James Gunn pedophilia rape joke were only something right-wing activist brigaded and had issue with, I am really not sure he would have been sacked.

 

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I feel like you guys are trying to argue me out of the idea anonymous executives aren't really Disney Princes 

That is some strange unnecessary level of straw-man, no ?

[WittyUsername]

1 hour ago, Barnack said:

If James Gunn pedophilia rape joke were only something right-wing activist brigaded and had issue with, I am really not sure he would have been sacked.

 

 

Well, it’s been rumored that the only reason he was “sacked” to begin with was because Disney wanted him to lay low so that the Fox merger could go through without a hitch. The fact that he was rehired shortly before the deal was finalized adds credence to that rumor. 

[TMP]

Just now, WittyUsername said:

Well, it’s been rumored that the only reason he was “sacked” to begin with was because Disney wanted him to lay low so that the Fox merger could go through without a hitch. The fact that he was rehired shortly before the deal was finalized adds credence to that rumor. 

That's not true though, since WB hired him and locked him down to a Suicide Squad 2 contract which caused Disney to shift GOTG 3's date further than they probably would have liked.

[The Futurist]

Funny how the west has specifically emphazized on the evils of one fascist regime of the 20th century.

It actually explains western politics to a T.

Edited August 18, 2019 by The Futurist

[George Parr]

28 minutes ago, The Futurist said:

Funny how the west has specifically emphazized on the evils of one fascist regime of the 20th century.

It actually explains western politics to a T.

What is "the west" and how exactly has it emphasized the evils of just one fascist regime?

Has there not been a hunt for everything deemed communist back then under McCarthy?

Is the right in the USA not desperately trying to demonize everything to the left of itself as "socialism"?

Has it not tried to paint even Nazis as left-wing by the absurd notion that the name National-socialist includes the word socialist?

 

The Nazis were the main opponent of the USA, Britain, France and a whole bunch of countries alongside them in the biggest the world has ever seen (and it's the most recent big conflict as well), of course that is going to be used extensively. Especially when you consider that the Nazis combined flat out evil behaviour with a style that not only fascinates people but also play perfectly into the role of portraying evil. Nobody came that close to subjugating (much of) "the west" under one rule either.

 

Who else would be used in such a role anyway?

Italy? Way too much losing in WW2 to matter. Occasionally you get the Mafia, but that's about all you can use.

Japan? not really connected to most people in the "western" world.

The Soviet Union? well, Russians have been the second choice behind Nazis for such a role, but even then, there never was an open conflict between them and "the west", therefore they don't lend themselves quite as well as the Nazis do.

[Valonqar]

I honestly don't think that anyone who saw Jojo Rabbit is scared that someone would be upset that Hitler is lampooned. Like, WTF? LOL. It's more likely that the exec who freaked out wasn't sure whether Hitler was lampooned because Taika is likable and his character, as others explained, is a fragment of child's imagination. And at some instances he's presented as that child's hero, which is the point of the movie. It isn't Hitler is the Hero lol wtf but for certain part of the movie, the little boy idolizes his version of him (he helps him gain self-esteem, etc) until he finds out that real Hitler is a bad man. So I'd say that dumb exec thought the movie was endorsing Hitler for that's the only way someone from Disney would be upset. Or he wasn't sure what the actual message was (is he endorsed? is he made fun of? what is it?). I think that Fox Searchlight is aware of possibility that some people (twitter shitstormers) won't get it so they overloaded the poster with THIS IS SATIRE ANTI-HATE SATIRE SATIRE ANTI-HATE SATIRE SATIRE ANTI-HATE ANTI-HATE which tells me that it's social medial shitstom-prone far left that they are worried about because they police everything these days lets not pretend they don't. If a movie isn't woke enough, boom, you get a hashtag shitstorm. So it's beyond me why some posters here think Disney would fear what 3 idiots who may glorify Hitler think when it's obvious they fear that far left/woke twitter won't get another satire/joke or they will find it inappropriate anyway as they always do. I mean, look at the shitstorm over Bruce Lee in OUATIH lol.

Edited August 18, 2019 by Valonqar

[Avatree]

Saw the teaser. Yikes.

Hope that's not a reflection of the film and that Taika hasn't sold out..

[gadd]

 

[Eric Atreides]

Wow I can't believe they put Smash Mouth in the trailer.  

[Valonqar]

Looks like a really great movie. Fun but with strong emotional beats and there's nothing controversial here, WTF that Disney CEO? 

[ban1o]

Lmao at “it’s definitely not a good time to be a nazi.” Tbh it actually looks pretty good. Hopefully it isn’t completely comedic though.