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The Summer Game is Here!! Infernus wins it... pipping WrathofHan in the final revels who had to settle for second after leading the whole way... Wrath wrapped it up in third!

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ok so first up we have a score recap (just tidying up things...……)  shout out to all those did the weekly, SOTM scoring...….

 

For reference you see where you stood in the previous chart in the before column (this  first posting references the weekly chart on it's own as posted by @Sheikh This is also the same as @Wrath 's chart above.

 

@WrathOfHan still holding  down the top spot... 

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Before

Player

Weeklies

SOTM

Bonus

Total

1

1

WrathofHan

1,559,000

789,000

1

2,348,001

2

5

zeesoh

1,397,000

826,000

 

2,223,000

3

10

Wrath

1,357,000

788,500

1

2,145,501

4

2

Sheikh

1,548,000

593,000

1

2,141,001

5

3

Infernus

1,479,000

635,500

1

2,114,501

6

4

aabattery

1,400,000

714,500

 

2,114,500

7

11

Jake Gittes

1,353,000

735,000

 

2,088,000

8

7

simionski

1,374,000

677,000

 

2,051,000

9

14

Chasmmi

1,281,000

672,000

 

1,953,000

10

8

Deja23

1,372,000

579,500

 

1,951,500

11

16

fancyarcher

1,254,000

668,000

 

1,922,000

12

6

kayumanggi

1,395,000

500,000

 

1,895,000

13

9

MrPink

1,372,000

481,300

 

1,853,300

14

12

Baumer

1,351,000

480,000

 

1,831,000

15

19

bcf26

1,030,000

772,600

 

1,802,600

16

13

JJ-8

1,348,000

383,000

 

1,731,000

17

15

glassfairy

1,257,000

431,500

 

1,688,500

18

20

That One Guy

907,000

627,000

 

1,534,000

19

18

24Lost

1,065,000

427,300

 

1,492,300

20

21

Movieman89

793,000

671,000

 

1,464,000

21

17

Empire

1,137,000

250,500

 

1,387,500

22

24

PANDA

629,000

525,500

 

1,154,500

23

23

grey ghost

659,000

399,000

 

1,058,000

24

22

captainwondyful

672,000

200,000

 

872,000

25

25

Chewy

621,000

244,500

 

865,500

26

26

Kalo

403,000

276,000

 

679,000

27

37

druv10

0

406,000

 

406,000

28

28

The Dark Alfred

290,000

71,000

 

361,000

29

27

Premium George

353,000

-9,500

1

343,501

30

30

Slambros

196,000

93,000

 

289,000

31

29

Tree

216,000

28,000

 

244,000

32

32

Telemachos

70,000

167,000

 

237,000

33

31

Spagheditary

76,000

42,000

 

118,000

34

35

AndyLL

59,000

38,000

 

97,000

35

36

SchumacherFTW

53,000

24,000

 

77,000

36

33

Chd

70,000

0

 

70,000

37

38

cmasterclay

0

0

 

0

38

34

Mike Hunt

64,000

-127,000

 

-63,000

 

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So firstly i'm posting the answers to Part G - Random Free Questions and Part F - Total Grosses.

 

Part F - Total Grosses

Total Grosses

Top 15)

$3,568,081,145

Top 7 OW)

$935,387,079

Top 12 WW)

$8,682,600,000

Top 5 China)

$979,099,629

 

Part G - Random Free Questions

(I've included first and second here as the scoring was done off the 2 closest :) )

Domestic Closest to

1st

2nd

100m

         100,000,000

Equalizer 2

Christopher Robin

200m

         200,000,000

MI Fallout

Solo

300m

         300,000,000

Deadpool 2

Ant-Man 2

400m

         400,000,000

JW Fallen Kingdom

Deadpool 2

500m

         500,000,000

JW Fallen Kingdom

Incredibles 2

   

-

-

Worldwide Closest to

1st

2nd

1.5b

      1,500,000,000

JW Fallen Kingdom

Incredibles 2

1b

      1,000,000,000

Incredibles 2

Deadpool 2

800m

         800,000,000

Deadpool 2

MI Fallout

600m

         600,000,000

Ant-Man 2

MI Fallout

400m

         400,000,000

Solo

Mamma Mia 2

   

-

-

Monthly highest (domestic)

1st

2nd

April

 

Avengers 3

I feel Pretty

May

 

Deadpool 2

Solo

June

 

Incredibles 2

JW Fallen Kingdom

July

 

Ant-Man 2

MI Fallout

August

 

Meg

Crazy Rich Asians

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10 minutes ago, JJ-8 said:

So firstly i'm posting the answers to Part G - Random Free Questions and Part F - Total Grosses.

 

Part F - Total Grosses

Total Grosses

Top 15)

$3,568,081,145

Top 7 OW)

$935,387,079

Top 12 WW)

$8,682,600,000

Top 5 China)

$979,099,629

 

Part G - Random Free Questions

(I've included first and second here as the scoring was done off the 2 closest :) )

Domestic Closest to

1st

2nd

100m

         100,000,000

Equalizer 2

Christopher Robin

200m

         200,000,000

MI Fallout

Solo

300m

         300,000,000

Deadpool 2

Ant-Man 2

400m

         400,000,000

JW Fallen Kingdom

Deadpool 2

500m

         500,000,000

JW Fallen Kingdom

Incredibles 2

   

-

-

Worldwide Closest to

1st

2nd

1.5b

      1,500,000,000

JW Fallen Kingdom

Incredibles 2

1b

      1,000,000,000

Incredibles 2

Deadpool 2

800m

         800,000,000

Deadpool 2

MI Fallout

600m

         600,000,000

Ant-Man 2

MI Fallout

400m

         400,000,000

Solo

Mamma Mia 2

   

-

-

Monthly highest (domestic)

1st

2nd

April

 

Avengers 3

I feel Pretty

May

 

Deadpool 2

Solo

June

 

Incredibles 2

JW Fallen Kingdom

July

 

Ant-Man 2

MI Fallout

August

 

Meg

Crazy Rich Asians

 

That China total doesn't match with what I have 🤔. What totals did you use for that?

 

Edit: Oh, looks like you used the mojo totals. They aren't right though, are they? The Chinese forum gives us other, and more accurate numbers if I;m not wrong. But maybe that's what has always been used here (this is the first time it's concerned me so I don't think I've ever noticed it before)? But even otherwise, the numbers mojo is showing, even if you are gonna go along with that after all, only includes numbers up until this sunday. Monday's grosses, as can be found here - http://english.entgroup.cn/boxoffice/cn/daily/?date=09 /03 /2018 , are not included in it. That would be 1.24m more for Ant man and .25m for Meg. @JJ-8

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Part G - Random Free Questions Scores

 

Wasn't large range in this one.  very few got bonus points and only 1 player got 10 #1's though because that was spread across all of the above rather than getting 4 correct, he didn't top score.  @Mike Hunt & @bcf26 took  equal top spot here with @Premium George just behind them in 3rd.

 

 

 

 

Scores

#

Player

#1 Spots

Positions

Bonus

Total

1

Mike Hunt

9

265,000

25,000

290,000

1

bcf26

9

265,000

25,000

290,000

3

Premium George

10

270,000

0

270,000

4

Zeesoh

9

235,000

0

235,000

4

fancyarcher

9

235,000

0

235,000

6

Chasmmi

8

230,000

0

230,000

7

Empire

6

200,000

25,000

225,000

8

Wrath

8

220,000

0

220,000

8

druv10

8

220,000

0

220,000

8

Sheikh

8

220,000

0

220,000

11

simionski

7

215,000

0

215,000

11

Telemachos

6

190,000

25,000

215,000

13

WrathofHan

8

210,000

0

210,000

13

aabattery

8

210,000

0

210,000

15

Infernus

7

205,000

0

205,000

16

kayumanggi

6

200,000

0

200,000

17

PANDA

7

195,000

0

195,000

18

SchumacherFTW

5

165,000

25,000

190,000

19

Chewy

7

185,000

0

185,000

19

MrPink

7

185,000

0

185,000

21

baumer

6

180,000

0

180,000

21

AndyLL

6

180,000

0

180,000

23

grey ghost

7

175,000

0

175,000

24

That one guy

6

170,000

0

170,000

24

Kalo

6

170,000

0

170,000

26

Movieman89

6

160,000

0

160,000

26

Deja23

6

160,000

0

160,000

28

glassfairy

5

155,000

0

155,000

29

captainwondyful

5

145,000

0

145,000

29

Tree

5

145,000

0

145,000

29

Jake Gittes

5

145,000

0

145,000

32

The Dark Alfred

4

140,000

0

140,000

33

Spagheditary

4

130,000

0

130,000

34

JJ-8

3

125,000

0

125,000

35

Slambros

4

120,000

0

120,000

35

24Lost

4

120,000

0

120,000

37

cmasterclay

0

0

0

0

 

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1 minute ago, Infernus said:

 

That China total doesn't match with what I have 🤔. What totals did you use for that?

I used the updated values on BOM.   (values in millions)

 

1 Avengers: Infinity War $359.54
2 Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom $261.22
3 The Meg $151.58
4 Ant-Man and the Wasp $108.52
5 Skyscraper $98.23

 

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7 minutes ago, JJ-8 said:

I used the updated values on BOM.   (values in millions)

 

1 Avengers: Infinity War $359.54
2 Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom $261.22
3 The Meg $151.58
4 Ant-Man and the Wasp $108.52
5 Skyscraper $98.23

 

 

9 minutes ago, Infernus said:

Edit: Oh, looks like you used the mojo totals. They aren't right though, are they? The Chinese forum gives us other, and more accurate numbers if I;m not wrong. But maybe that's what has always been used here (this is the first time it's concerned me so I don't think I've ever noticed it before)? But even otherwise, the numbers mojo is showing, even if you are gonna go along with that after all, only includes numbers up until this sunday. Monday's grosses, as can be found here - http://english.entgroup.cn/boxoffice/cn/daily/?date=09 /03 /2018 , are not included in it. That would be 1.24m more for Ant man and .25m for Meg. @JJ-8

 

Oh, and if you do think about going by the numbers from the chinese forums here are some of the final totals from there - 

 . Avengers grossed 377.6m and JW grossed 265m according to that. And that's a massive difference from Mojo's numbers, which just uses final ER to calculate grosses thus even resulting in negative grosses some weeks as can be seen in Infinity War's weekend box office in china list on Mojo, and that doesn't make sense at all.

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Part F - Total Grosses Scores

 

@Infernus took out this, with a fantastic result of being within 3% of all 4 grosses... some damn good guessing going on there!  unfortunately for everyone, our current leader @WrathOfHan also did very well here..... :raining:

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Player

All 4 within % ?

Score

1

Infernus

2.13%

305,000

2

WrathofHan

3.48%

290,000

3

kayumanggi

7.17%

230,000

4

Zeesoh

5.10%

215,000

5

fancyarcher

6.22%

215,000

6

That one guy

9.10%

185,000

7

Wrath

8.08%

175,000

8

PANDA

8.59%

170,000

9

Premium George

8.26%

155,000

10

SchumacherFTW

8.08%

155,000

11

Spagheditary

9.66%

150,000

12

Kalo

9.79%

150,000

13

Chewy

9.30%

150,000

14

aabattery

8.74%

145,000

15

Tree

11.47%

140,000

16

baumer

18.29%

135,000

17

Sheikh

12.82%

135,000

18

Telemachos

25.44%

135,000

19

Chasmmi

13.94%

130,000

20

Movieman89

16.43%

125,000

21

simionski

14.47%

125,000

22

Mike Hunt

18.80%

120,000

23

The Dark Alfred

48.10%

115,000

24

Jake Gittes

17.68%

115,000

25

Deja23

31.32%

110,000

26

druv10

22.56%

105,000

27

JJ-8

16.91%

105,000

28

glassfairy

63.42%

105,000

29

AndyLL

10.50%

105,000

30

24Lost

16.50%

100,000

31

captainwondyful

14.91%

95,000

32

bcf26

37.70%

85,000

33

grey ghost

27.48%

70,000

34

Empire

16.59%

65,000

35

MrPink

103.12%

55,000

36

Slambros

157.80%

0

37

cmasterclay

100.00%

0

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Infernus said:

 

11 minutes ago, Infernus said:

Edit: Oh, looks like you used the mojo totals. They aren't right though, are they? The Chinese forum gives us other, and more accurate numbers if I;m not wrong. But maybe that's what has always been used here (this is the first time it's concerned me so I don't think I've ever noticed it before)? But even otherwise, the numbers mojo is showing, even if you are gonna go along with that after all, only includes numbers up until this sunday. Monday's grosses, as can be found here - http://english.entgroup.cn/boxoffice/cn/daily/?date=09 /03 /2018 , are not included in it. That would be 1.24m more for Ant man and .25m for Meg. @JJ-8

 

I'll confer with @chasmmi on this one but I against using numbers on the forum … I highly doubt they materially change anyones scores … tbh - the worldwide totals probably are as of sunday and only domestic is as of Monday (in the past we have always calculated things this way)    

 

PS - no doubting they are correct but the source for numbers of the game is BOM....

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5 minutes ago, JJ-8 said:

I'll confer with @chasmmi on this one but I against using numbers on the forum … I highly doubt they materially change anyones scores … tbh - the worldwide totals probably are as of sunday and only domestic is as of Monday (in the past we have always calculated things this way)    

 

PS - no doubting they are correct but the source for numbers of the game is BOM....

 

They will massively change my score, actually... China is the only place I'm missing out the 2% on, from the totals you've given. And even if you don't use numbers from the forums, the monday numbers for china should be added into the mojo grosses, right? I realize things might be similar with WW grosses but then that doesn't mean we can't try to be more correct wherever we can and after all china has a separate section in our game so the extra attention to detail does make sense. Won't it be unfair if I, and some other too even if not to the same extent, lose out on almost 100k points just because we didn't include monday totals in our totals when that monday actually is a part of our game?

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Ok time for a score  update!

 

@WrathOfHan has actually improved his lead in first thanks to his good showing on the total grosses.  @ZeeSoh continued to hold down second and @Infernus also thanks to his  good showing on the total grosses (he won it) moved into 3rd.

 

I've also included the additional 20k as mentioned earlier now.

 

here is the  update :

#

#

Player

Bonus

Part G

Part F

Total

1

1

WrathofHan

20,001

210,000

290,000

2,868,001

2

2

zeesoh

20,000

235,000

215,000

2,693,000

3

5

Infernus

20,001

205,000

305,000

2,644,501

4

3

Wrath

20,001

220,000

175,000

2,560,501

5

4

Sheikh

20,001

220,000

135,000

2,516,001

6

6

aabattery

20,000

210,000

145,000

2,489,500

7

8

simionski

20,000

215,000

125,000

2,411,000

8

11

fancyarcher

20,000

235,000

215,000

2,392,000

9

7

Jake Gittes

20,000

145,000

115,000

2,368,000

10

12

kayumanggi

20,000

200,000

230,000

2,345,000

11

9

Chasmmi

20,000

230,000

130,000

2,333,000

12

10

Deja23

20,000

160,000

110,000

2,241,500

13

15

bcf26

20,000

290,000

85,000

2,197,600

14

14

Baumer

20,000

180,000

135,000

2,166,000

15

13

MrPink

20,000

185,000

55,000

2,113,300

16

16

JJ-8

20,000

125,000

105,000

1,981,000

17

17

glassfairy

20,000

155,000

105,000

1,968,500

18

18

That One Guy

20,000

170,000

185,000

1,909,000

19

20

Movieman89

20,000

160,000

125,000

1,769,000

20

19

24Lost

20,000

120,000

100,000

1,732,300

21

21

Empire

20,000

225,000

65,000

1,697,500

22

22

PANDA

20,000

195,000

170,000

1,539,500

23

23

grey ghost

20,000

175,000

70,000

1,323,000

24

25

Chewy

20,000

185,000

150,000

1,220,500

25

24

captainwondyful

20,000

145,000

95,000

1,132,000

26

26

Kalo

20,000

170,000

150,000

1,019,000

27

29

Premium George

20,001

270,000

155,000

788,501

28

27

druv10

20,000

220,000

105,000

751,000

29

28

The Dark Alfred

20,000

140,000

115,000

636,000

30

32

Telemachos

20,000

215,000

135,000

607,000

31

31

Tree

20,000

145,000

140,000

549,000

32

35

SchumacherFTW

20,000

190,000

155,000

442,000

33

30

Slambros

20,000

120,000

0

429,000

34

33

Spagheditary

20,000

130,000

150,000

418,000

35

34

AndyLL

20,000

180,000

105,000

402,000

36

38

Mike Hunt

20,000

290,000

120,000

367,000

37

36

Chd

0

0

0

70,000

38

37

cmasterclay

20,000

0

0

20,000

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Infernus said:

 

They will massively change my score, actually... China is the only place I'm missing out the 2% on, from the totals you've given. And even if you don't use numbers from the forums, the monday numbers for china should be added into the mojo grosses, right? I realize things might be similar with WW grosses but then that doesn't mean we can't try to be more correct wherever we can and after all china has a separate section in our game so the extra attention to detail does make sense.

they don't … I just checked.  your total grosses score is exactly the same whether I use the  sunday or Monday results.

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12 minutes ago, JJ-8 said:

they don't … I just checked.  your total grosses score is exactly the same whether I use the  sunday or Monday results.

what? Adding the 1.24 and .25 would mean China's total goes to 980.589629, right? That multiplied by 1.02 = 1000.2m. Meaning I get within 2% of China's total too as I predicted 1B. That will give me 50k for all 4 predictions and 200k bonus for being within 2% of them all. So 400k instead of 305k.

 

P.S I'm sorry for being kinda difficult here... But 100k is just too big a number for me to just let it go, especially when I'm this close to the top for once.

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Next up was probably the hardest section to predict... in fact it's so bad only 2 players managed  a +ve score here...……

 

Here is :

 

Part E - Multipliers

 

Well done to @Telemachos for blowing everyone away here.  he was the only player to get 3 of top 5.

 

The constraints to be eligible for this chart - > 1500 theatres on opening weekend + released before 18th August + make more than 40m.

In regards to the 40m limit, only 1 film would  have made the top 5 below if it made 40m (it was short by less than 200k :bash:)

 

Rank

Movie

Actual

1

Book Club

5.05

2

Crazy Rich Asians

4.42

3

The First Purge

3.98

4

Hotel Transylvania 3: Summer Vacation

3.69

5

Tag

3.65

 

And here is the Final scores for this :

 

 

 

Scores

#

Player

In top 5

Positions

Bonus

Total

1

Telemachos

3

40,000

40,000

80,000

2

fancyarcher

2

5,000

0

5,000

3

PANDA

2

-10,000

0

-10,000

4

SchumacherFTW

2

-10,000

0

-10,000

5

simionski

2

-10,000

0

-10,000

6

Wrath

2

-10,000

0

-10,000

7

Empire

1

-15,000

0

-15,000

8

kayumanggi

1

-15,000

0

-15,000

9

MrPink

1

-15,000

0

-15,000

10

Baumer

2

-25,000

0

-25,000

11

Chewy

2

-25,000

0

-25,000

12

24Lost

1

-30,000

0

-30,000

13

AndyLL

1

-30,000

0

-30,000

14

bcf26

1

-30,000

0

-30,000

15

Chasmmi

1

-30,000

0

-30,000

16

druv10

1

-30,000

0

-30,000

17

glassfairy

1

-30,000

0

-30,000

18

JJ-8

1

-30,000

0

-30,000

19

Kalo

1

-30,000

0

-30,000

20

Premium George

1

-30,000

0

-30,000

21

Sheikh

1

-30,000

0

-30,000

22

The Dark Alfred

1

-30,000

0

-30,000

23

Tree

1

-30,000

0

-30,000

24

WrathofHan

1

-30,000

0

-30,000

25

Infernus

1

-45,000

0

-45,000

26

Jake Gittes

1

-45,000

0

-45,000

27

Spagheditary

1

-45,000

0

-45,000

28

That One Guy

1

-45,000

0

-45,000

29

zeesoh

1

-45,000

0

-45,000

30

aabattery

0

-50,000

0

-50,000

31

captainwondyful

0

-50,000

0

-50,000

32

Deja23

0

-50,000

0

-50,000

33

grey ghost

0

-50,000

0

-50,000

34

Mike Hunt

0

-50,000

0

-50,000

35

Slambros

0

-50,000

0

-50,000

36

Movieman89

0

-65,000

0

-65,000

37

cmasterclay

0

-125,000

0

-125,000

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Infernus said:

what? Adding the 1.24 and .25 would mean China's total goes to 980.589629, right? That multiplied by 1.02 = 1000.2m. Meaning I get within 2% of China's total too as I predicted 1B. That will give me 50k for all 4 predictions and 200k bonus for being within 2% of them all. So 400k instead of 305k.

accept to get apples for apples here I would have use the total they had on that site... not just the daily total … the meg's total on that site is actually about 30k less than BOM has for the end of sunday!  same goes for the AM2 tooo … i'm sticking with the sunday totals from BOM instead... neither give you the result you want!)

 

EDIT - showing totals …

 

8
$0.25 $151.54 $36.49 $5.35 10498 47332 25

 

12 The Meg WB $151,582,917 8/10
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And here is the next update of the scores...

 

@WrathOfHan continues his hold on the top spot (even pulled away again slightly)  to be bonest this Part E caused very little change in the chart.

 

#

Before

Player

Part E

Total

1

1

WrathofHan

-30,000

2,838,001

2

2

zeesoh

-45,000

2,648,000

3

3

Infernus

-45,000

2,599,501

4

4

Wrath

-10,000

2,550,501

5

5

Sheikh

-30,000

2,486,001

6

6

aabattery

-50,000

2,439,500

7

7

simionski

-10,000

2,401,000

8

8

fancyarcher

5,000

2,397,000

9

10

kayumanggi

-15,000

2,330,000

10

9

Jake Gittes

-45,000

2,323,000

11

11

Chasmmi

-30,000

2,303,000

12

12

Deja23

-50,000

2,191,500

13

13

bcf26

-30,000

2,167,600

14

14

Baumer

-25,000

2,141,000

15

15

MrPink

-15,000

2,098,300

16

16

JJ-8

-30,000

1,951,000

17

17

glassfairy

-30,000

1,938,500

18

18

That One Guy

-45,000

1,864,000

19

19

Movieman89

-65,000

1,704,000

20

20

24Lost

-30,000

1,702,300

21

21

Empire

-15,000

1,682,500

22

22

PANDA

-10,000

1,529,500

23

23

grey ghost

-50,000

1,273,000

24

24

Chewy

-25,000

1,195,500

25

25

captainwondyful

-50,000

1,082,000

26

26

Kalo

-30,000

989,000

27

27

Premium George

-30,000

758,501

28

28

druv10

-30,000

721,000

29

30

Telemachos

80,000

687,000

30

29

The Dark Alfred

-30,000

606,000

31

31

Tree

-30,000

519,000

32

32

SchumacherFTW

-10,000

432,000

33

33

Slambros

-50,000

379,000

34

34

Spagheditary

-45,000

373,000

35

35

AndyLL

-30,000

372,000

36

36

Mike Hunt

-50,000

317,000

37

37

Chd

-125,000

-55,000

38

38

cmasterclay

-125,000

-105,000

 

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Just now, JJ-8 said:

accept to get apples for apples here I would have use the total they had on that site... not just the daily total … the meg's total on that site is actually about 300k less than BOM has for the end of sunday!  same goes for the AM2 tooo … i'm sticking with the sunday totals from BOM instead... neither give you the result you want!)

Um, actually that won't make sense. BOm has calculated its entire grosses differently. It calculated them with the final ER. Since Monday grosses on that site were based on the ER on Monday itself, that would have been exactly what Mojo would have added to its totals had it updated on Monday. Otherwise if we were to use that site's total numbers only, the numbers for JW and Avengers would significantly change too. 

 

 

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Just now, Infernus said:

Um, actually that won't make sense. BOm has calculated its entire grosses differently. It calculated them with the final ER. Since Monday grosses on that site were based on the ER on Monday itself, that would have been exactly what Mojo would have added to its totals had it updated on Monday. Otherwise if we were to use that site's total numbers only, the numbers for JW and Avengers would significantly change too. 

 

 

we can't use grosses from international sites and BOM together due to the way it's calculated in different places - it all relates to the exchange rates.

 

you absolutely correct … we can't use both... because there is not certainty that BOM would add the amounts shown as their calculations are different … 

 

That is why i'm against it... we using different bases of numbers.. you are adding 0.25 calculated differently on a different site to the BOM total which has been added up and calculated also different again.  which makes not apples for apples.  if we had a way to  include  the correct value I would.  I am against adding the numbers you've mentioned due to  the reasons listed.  once again i'll confer... I'm putting the scoring on hold until we resovle this (the next chart is china anyway which this would impact.

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