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2 minutes ago, WrathOfHan said:

ACTION POINT DID NOT FUCK ME 🙏

so far

 

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15 minutes ago, Infernus said:

Um, actually that won't make sense. BOm has calculated its entire grosses differently. It calculated them with the final ER. Since Monday grosses on that site were based on the ER on Monday itself, that would have been exactly what Mojo would have added to its totals had it updated on Monday. Otherwise if we were to use that site's total numbers only, the numbers for JW and Avengers would significantly change too. 

 

 

If I were to ignore BOM and use that site I get the following values :

 

Inifity War - 340.8m

JW FK = 241.9m

Meg = 151.54m

AMATW = 109.47m

Skyscraper = 95.4m

 

All are below the final totals on bom.. - some are well below.  mind u I don't think they are final totals however.... 

 

I really don't think I can use those totals (in fact those will not help your cause...) - we can't pick and choose which sites we use to compile numbers especially when different sites are using different calculations  to come up with the US figure here. BOM is our source and that is the way it has to be.  I can't justify through 2 figures which are potentially difffernt to what BOM might report … it would make no sense or fairness to the other players.

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24 minutes ago, JJ-8 said:

we can't use grosses from international sites and BOM together due to the way it's calculated in different places - it all relates to the exchange rates.

 

you absolutely correct … we can't use both... because there is not certainty that BOM would add the amounts shown as their calculations are different … 

 

That is why i'm against it... we using different bases of numbers.. you are adding 0.25 calculated differently on a different site to the BOM total which has been added up and calculated also different again.  which makes not apples for apples.  if we had a way to  include  the correct value I would.  I am against adding the numbers you've mentioned due to  the reasons listed.  once again i'll confer... I'm putting the scoring on hold until we resovle this (the next chart is china anyway which this would impact.

You guys are running it so its up to you, but the rule has always been to use BOM as the source for nimbers. Not because its perfect so much as its consistent, broadly known and easily accessible.

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4 minutes ago, JJ-8 said:

If I were to ignore BOM and use that site I get the following values :

 

Inifity War - 340.8m

JW FK = 241.9m

Meg = 151.54m

AMATW = 109.47m

Skyscraper = 95.4m

 

All are below the final totals on bom.. - some are well below.  mind u I don't think they are final totals however.... 

 

I really don't think I can use those totals (in fact those will not help your cause...) - we can't pick and choose which sites we use to compile numbers especially when different sites are using different calculations  to come up with the US figure here. BOM is our source and that is the way it has to be.  I can't justify through 2 figures which are potentially difffernt to what BOM might report … it would make no sense or fairness to the other players.

Oh, those aren't the final totals according to that site. They are just the ones open to non subscribers. They don't show grosses from later weeks to non subscribers. Avengers actual gross in china, and you can confer with people from the Chinese forums and they'll probably point you to lots of good, reputable and far-more-accurate than-mojo sources for the same, was around 377m. Mojo gives us 359. Even JW's grosses are around 4m more than what Mojo gives us. I only need like 1.3m more in the total too 5 gross that we are getting from Mojo (and that's when it doesn't even include Monday's grosses when Ant-Man alone grosses 1.2m+ and Meg .2m+) to get an extra 95k. And it's not like I'm just trying to manipulate the numbers in my favour - these are the correct numbers! Using the actual correct numbers get the total to around 1001m instead of 979.something as mojo gives us. I, and the others who predicted 1B, are within 2% from 980.3 to 1020.4m. So we are definitely in that range. In fact even by mojos numbers we are only missing out on that range by around 1.3m. Monday's grosses alone get us there. So the thing is just that it feels unfair to me that we be at such a disadvantage despite actually being correct... That is all

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8 minutes ago, Wrath said:

You guys are running it so its up to you, but the rule has always been to use BOM as the source for nimbers. Not because its perfect so much as its consistent, broadly known and easily accessible.

 

But is traditionalism and all that really more important than being correct? I mean mojo literally has Avengers grossing negative numbers for the last few of its weekends! How does that make any sense at all? It's plain absurd

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11 minutes ago, Infernus said:

Oh, those aren't the final totals according to that site. They are just the ones open to non subscribers. They don't show grosses from later weeks to non subscribers. Avengers actual gross in china, and you can confer with people from the Chinese forums and they'll probably point you to lots of good, reputable and far-more-accurate than-mojo sources for the same, was around 377m. Mojo gives us 359. Even JW's grosses are around 4m more than what Mojo gives us. I only need like 1.3m more in the total too 5 gross that we are getting from Mojo (and that's when it doesn't even include Monday's grosses when Ant-Man alone grosses 1.2m+ and Meg .2m+) to get an extra 95k. And it's not like I'm just trying to manipulate the numbers in my favour - these are the correct numbers! Using the actual correct numbers get the total to around 1001m instead of 979.something as mojo gives us. I, and the others who predicted 1B, are within 2% from 980.3 to 1020.4m. So we are definitely in that range. In fact even by mojos numbers we are only missing out on that range by around 1.3m. Monday's grosses alone get us there. So the thing is just that it feels unfair to me that we be at such a disadvantage despite actually being correct... That is all

I see what you're saying and understand your frustration, but the problem then becomes one of complexity. The results have to be accessible to the people playing. If you can't see how you're doing without paying for a subscription, then that's a problem. And pointing people to "lots of good sites" isn't really helpful unless they all report exactly the same data the same way. If there's any variance at all in what they report, then suddenly scoring becomes a free-for-all. Which site is correct? Some people might do better with the results from one site and others might do better with results from another site, leading to even worse problems.

 

In a nutshell, that's why we standardized on BOM. There has to be a single standard, and BOM is well known, accessible, and easy to use. Changing it to one that's better for your score, during the post-season scoring, IMO isn't the right way to go about it because it risks coming across as self-serving. That having been said, its not my game, I'm happy to stand by any rule-decision chasmmi and JJ8 decide is the way they want to go.

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3 minutes ago, Infernus said:

 

But is traditionalism and all that really more important than being correct? I mean mojo literally has Avengers grossing negative numbers for the last few of its weekends! How does that make any sense at all? It's plain absurd

It was correcting for the drop in value for Yuan that happened towards the end and after IW’s run. How do we determine which ER to use over a movie’s run? 

Since it was not determined at the beginning of the game, its only fair to use one particular ER. But since we cannot retroactively agree on one that would be fair to everyone, it makes sense to just go with BOM since we use its totals for other countries as well. 

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Ok for clarity - I am using the final BOM figures as I've already posted.  Sorry @Infernus, @Wrath is right.  BOM is the source as I I've been saying. Because if we go down that path it's becomes very very slippery... what the remainder of worldwide totals.  for correctness we should include Monday numbers but then Monday outside the US is not a holiday......

 

unless @chasmmi disagrees (which I highly doubt) … the BOM figures are what we are going use... scores stands as they are.. and i'm continuing the scoring posts!

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After after all the interlude...… I present to you... China!

 

Part D - China Top 5

Rank

Movie

Actual

1

Avengers: Infinity War

$359.54

2

Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom

$261.22

3

The Meg

$151.58

4

Ant-Man and the Wasp

$108.52

5

Skyscraper

$98.23

 

And for the first time in the game we finally see a chink in @WrathOfHan's armour..... he's very much off the pace in this one.  @Mike Hunt has continued his good run though with a win under his belt.  @SchumacherFTW and finally I did well on a chart.... rounded out the top 3.    Of note 3 players managed to pick all 5 films (which is pretty awesome...) our top 2 scorers + @slambros (I have no idea why the link isn't working again :( ) who picked the correct 5 films but forgot to put grosses in!

 

 

 

 

Scores

#

Player

In top 5

Exact

Positions

Bonus

Total

1

Mike Hunt

5

2

245,000

30,000

275,000

2

SchumacherFTW

5

3

255,000

10,000

265,000

3

JJ-8

4

3

180,000

55,000

235,000

4

Empire

4

3

180,000

40,000

220,000

5

aabattery

4

3

180,000

35,000

215,000

6

Sheikh

4

4

190,000

20,000

210,000

7

24Lost

4

3

180,000

30,000

210,000

8

Movieman89

4

4

190,000

15,000

205,000

9

Infernus

4

3

180,000

20,000

200,000

10

PANDA

4

4

190,000

5,000

195,000

11

That One Guy

4

4

190,000

0

190,000

12

Tree

4

4

190,000

0

190,000

13

zeesoh

4

2

170,000

15,000

185,000

14

Wrath

4

3

180,000

0

180,000

15

simionski

4

3

180,000

0

180,000

16

Chasmmi

4

3

180,000

-5,000

175,000

17

Deja23

4

2

170,000

5,000

175,000

18

Chewy

4

3

180,000

-10,000

170,000

19

Jake Gittes

4

3

180,000

-10,000

170,000

20

Spagheditary

4

3

180,000

-15,000

165,000

21

kayumanggi

4

3

180,000

-15,000

165,000

22

Baumer

4

3

180,000

-25,000

155,000

23

AndyLL

4

3

180,000

-25,000

155,000

24

Premium George

4

3

180,000

-25,000

155,000

25

MrPink

4

4

190,000

-35,000

155,000

26

Slambros

5

1

235,000

-95,000

140,000

27

Kalo

4

3

180,000

-50,000

130,000

28

fancyarcher

4

4

190,000

-60,000

130,000

29

WrathofHan

4

4

190,000

-70,000

120,000

30

bcf26

4

0

150,000

-35,000

115,000

31

Telemachos

4

0

150,000

-35,000

115,000

32

druv10

3

3

105,000

-10,000

95,000

33

grey ghost

3

2

95,000

-40,000

55,000

34

The Dark Alfred

3

2

95,000

-60,000

35,000

35

captainwondyful

3

2

95,000

-70,000

25,000

36

glassfairy

3

3

105,000

-90,000

15,000

37

cmasterclay

0

0

-50,000

0

0

 

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39 minutes ago, Wrath said:

I see what you're saying and understand your frustration, but the problem then becomes one of complexity. The results have to be accessible to the people playing. If you can't see how you're doing without paying for a subscription, then that's a problem. And pointing people to "lots of good sites" isn't really helpful unless they all report exactly the same data the same way. If there's any variance at all in what they report, then suddenly scoring becomes a free-for-all. Which site is correct? Some people might do better with the results from one site and others might do better with results from another site, leading to even worse problems.

 

In a nutshell, that's why we standardized on BOM. There has to be a single standard, and BOM is well known, accessible, and easy to use. Changing it to one that's better for your score, during the post-season scoring, IMO isn't the right way to go about it because it risks coming across as self-serving. That having been said, its not my game, I'm happy to stand by any rule-decision chasmmi and JJ8 decide is the way they want to go.

 

35 minutes ago, ZeeSoh said:

It was correcting for the drop in value for Yuan that happened towards the end and after IW’s run. How do we determine which ER to use over a movie’s run? 

Since it was not determined at the beginning of the game, its only fair to use one particular ER. But since we cannot retroactively agree on one that would be fair to everyone, it makes sense to just go with BOM since we use its totals for other countries as well. 

 

Ok, I agree with all of that. But why should any of that mean that we can't at least add Monday's totals to the BOM number? Monday was part of our game, right? And Monday's grosses are not included in the BOM totals, right? And we have the exact figures, in RMB at least, for Monday grosses of Ant Man and The Meg. What's wrong with converting them to USD by Monday's exchange rate and adding them to Mojo's totals? How can not including Monday's grosses at all be better than that?

 

In the end Chasmmi and JJ-8 are the game runners and I'll go with whatever they decide, of course, but I'd just like this to be considered.

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So what does that do our Overall Scores..  

 

In end not much, WrathofHan continues to hold onto his (albeit smaller) lead from zeesoh and infernus.

#

Before

Player

Part D

Total

1

1

WrathofHan

120,000

2,958,001

2

2

zeesoh

185,000

2,833,000

3

3

Infernus

200,000

2,799,501

4

4

Wrath

180,000

2,730,501

5

5

Sheikh

210,000

2,696,001

6

6

aabattery

215,000

2,654,500

7

7

simionski

180,000

2,581,000

8

8

fancyarcher

130,000

2,527,000

9

9

kayumanggi

165,000

2,495,000

10

10

Jake Gittes

170,000

2,493,000

11

11

Chasmmi

175,000

2,478,000

12

12

Deja23

175,000

2,366,500

13

14

Baumer

155,000

2,296,000

14

13

bcf26

115,000

2,282,600

15

15

MrPink

155,000

2,253,300

16

16

JJ-8

235,000

2,186,000

17

18

That One Guy

190,000

2,054,000

18

17

glassfairy

15,000

1,953,500

19

20

24Lost

210,000

1,912,300

20

19

Movieman89

205,000

1,909,000

21

21

Empire

220,000

1,902,500

22

22

PANDA

195,000

1,724,500

23

24

Chewy

170,000

1,365,500

24

23

grey ghost

55,000

1,328,000

25

26

Kalo

130,000

1,119,000

26

25

captainwondyful

25,000

1,107,000

27

27

Premium George

155,000

913,501

28

28

druv10

95,000

816,000

29

29

Telemachos

115,000

802,000

30

31

Tree

190,000

709,000

31

32

SchumacherFTW

265,000

697,000

32

30

The Dark Alfred

35,000

641,000

33

36

Mike Hunt

275,000

592,000

34

34

Spagheditary

165,000

538,000

35

35

AndyLL

155,000

527,000

36

33

Slambros

140,000

519,000

37

37

Chd

0

-55,000

38

38

cmasterclay

0

-105,000

 

 

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So it's starting to interesting we are down the final 3 sections to score......

 

Next up i'm going flip things around and score the OW section.....

 

Part B - Top 7 Domestic OW

Rank

Movie

Actual

1

Avengers: Infinity War

$257.70

2

Incredibles 2

$182.69

3

Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom

$148.02

4

Deadpool 2

$125.51

5

Solo: A Star Wars Story

$84.42

6

Ant-Man and the Wasp

$75.81

7

Mission: Impossible - Fallout

$61.24

 

And it's @kayumanggiwho runs away with this one thanks to the fact he was the only player to nail the top 3 in order. Others got 4 in exact spots... but kayu  was the only to get the top 3 correct in order.  Well Done.  Beyond that, this section was well predicted with all but a handful predict the 7 films that would make up the top opening weekends.  Still there was a reasonable spread of scores.  our current leader managed a reasonable score probably meaning he holds on again...….

 

 

 

 

 

Scores

#

Player

In top 7

Exact

Positions

Gross

Bonus

Total

1

kayumanggi

7

3

430,000

130,000

30,000

590,000

2

cmasterclay

7

4

320,000

130,000

10,000

460,000

3

Kalo

7

3

310,000

125,000

20,000

455,000

4

The Dark Alfred

7

3

310,000

125,000

10,000

445,000

5

Spagheditary

7

3

310,000

95,000

10,000

415,000

6

Mike Hunt

7

3

310,000

85,000

10,000

405,000

7

MrPink

7

4

320,000

80,000

0

400,000

8

Movieman89

7

3

310,000

80,000

0

390,000

9

WrathofHan

7

4

320,000

65,000

0

385,000

10

Premium George

7

4

320,000

35,000

10,000

365,000

11

zeesoh

7

4

320,000

40,000

0

360,000

12

That One Guy

7

4

320,000

25,000

0

345,000

13

Sheikh

7

4

320,000

25,000

0

345,000

14

Jake Gittes

7

4

320,000

25,000

0

345,000

15

AndyLL

7

4

320,000

20,000

0

340,000

16

SchumacherFTW

7

3

310,000

30,000

0

340,000

17

Chewy

7

4

320,000

15,000

0

335,000

18

simionski

7

3

310,000

25,000

0

335,000

19

bcf26

7

3

310,000

25,000

0

335,000

20

Infernus

7

3

310,000

15,000

10,000

335,000

21

Telemachos

7

3

310,000

20,000

0

330,000

22

fancyarcher

7

3

310,000

15,000

0

325,000

23

druv10

7

3

310,000

10,000

0

320,000

24

Deja23

7

3

310,000

5,000

0

315,000

25

Chasmmi

7

2

300,000

0

10,000

310,000

26

aabattery

7

3

310,000

0

0

310,000

27

Tree

7

4

320,000

-15,000

0

305,000

28

grey ghost

7

3

310,000

-15,000

0

295,000

29

Slambros

6

3

250,000

-30,000

0

220,000

30

Wrath

6

2

200,000

15,000

0

215,000

31

PANDA

6

4

220,000

-40,000

0

180,000

32

JJ-8

6

2

200,000

-30,000

0

170,000

33

24Lost

6

2

200,000

-35,000

0

165,000

34

Baumer

6

2

200,000

-55,000

0

145,000

35

glassfairy

5

2

125,000

-15,000

10,000

120,000

36

captainwondyful

6

1

190,000

-85,000

0

105,000

37

Empire

6

2

200,000

-100,000

0

100,000

 

 

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So the next update...….. 

 

Yet again @WrathOfHan has held on and yet again increase his lead.  the big mover here was of course kayu who bumped up into 4th spot.

#

Before

Player

Part B

Total

1

1

WrathofHan

385,000

3,343,001

2

2

zeesoh

360,000

3,193,000

3

3

Infernus

335,000

3,134,501

4

9

kayumanggi

590,000

3,085,000

5

5

Sheikh

345,000

3,041,001

6

6

aabattery

310,000

2,964,500

7

4

Wrath

215,000

2,945,501

8

7

simionski

335,000

2,916,000

9

8

fancyarcher

325,000

2,852,000

10

10

Jake Gittes

345,000

2,838,000

11

11

Chasmmi

310,000

2,788,000

12

12

Deja23

315,000

2,681,500

13

15

MrPink

400,000

2,653,300

14

14

bcf26

335,000

2,617,600

15

13

Baumer

145,000

2,441,000

16

17

That One Guy

345,000

2,399,000

17

16

JJ-8

170,000

2,356,000

18

20

Movieman89

390,000

2,299,000

19

19

24Lost

165,000

2,077,300

20

18

glassfairy

120,000

2,073,500

21

21

Empire

100,000

2,002,500

22

22

PANDA

180,000

1,904,500

23

23

Chewy

335,000

1,700,500

24

24

grey ghost

295,000

1,623,000

25

25

Kalo

455,000