Joel M Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 As much as The Rock's draw power has been overstated during Jumanji's insane run he is as much of a sure bet a star gets in this day and age. And you can't discard all the sequels and franchises he made as completely irrelevant to his draw power. Journey2 and GIJoe2 would be heading for huge drops without the Rock, and even the Fast&Furious franchise exploded from the moment he came on board. Of course he wasn't the sole reason F&F became so big, but he was a factor. Of course he is not as big as peak Will Smith was, but no one is anymore and no one will be in the current market. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Futurist Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 According to Hollywood, kinda : Red Notice (pre-production) 2019Hobbs And Shaw (announced) Luke Hobbs 2019Suicide Squad 2 (announced) Black Adam (rumored) 2018Fighting with My Family (completed) 2018Skyscraper (post-production) Will Sawyer Big Trouble in Little China (announced) Jack Burton (rumored) Black Adam (pre-production) Black Adam Doc Savage (announced) Doc Savage Jumanji 2 (announced) Spencer Jungle Cruise (pre-production) Frank San Andreas 2 (announced) Raymond Gaines The Janson Directive (announced) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhasmid Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Box office? Not yet. Household name recognition around the world? He achieved that many moons ago. I'm a big fan of both, so it doesn't make a difference either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoguy Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Not even Will Smith is Will Smith anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 hours ago, ThePhasmid said: Box office? Not yet. Household name recognition around the world? He achieved that many moons ago. I'm a big fan of both, so it doesn't make a difference either way. I think after Smith did ID4, most people around the world knew he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Panda Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Looking at some big stars and their ratio of ‘hits’ per movie (over 100m DOM Adjusted) since their breakout movie and ‘big hits’ per movie (over 250m DOM Adjusted), I’m also going to not count major franchise roles as RDJ likely isn’t a major draw but RDJ as Iron Man is. Of Smith and the 3 actors I’d say are definitive draws here are some examples, I may try and make a chart. DiCaprio 72% of films adjust over 100m post Titanic 17% of films adjust over 250m since Titanic Smith 55% of films adjust over 100m post Made in America (61% if you include MIB2 and 3, and Bad Boys 2) 25% of films adjust over 250m post Made in America (26% if you include MIB 2 and 3 and Bad Boys 2) Denzel 46% of films adjust over 100m since Malcom X 0% adjust over 250m Johnson 41% adjust over 100m since Scorpion King (factors out Moana and Furious franchises, 38% if you exclude Jumanji, 35% if you exclude Scorpion King, 32% if you exclude GI Joe 2) 5% over 250m if you include Jumanji, otherwise 0% 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeriosnal Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) Nope. Dwayne Johnson is a star, but a limited one who seems to only sell pre-existing IPs, or unmemorable trash. Stallone, Schwarzenegger, Bruce Willis, Will Smith, etc. have been in some bad movies, but they've also been in a number of major films. The Rock is about as close to the old school action stars as Kevin Hart is to Eddie Murphy, which is to say, not that close. Edited January 3, 2019 by Jeriosnal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alli Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 This year Smith is gonna make his comeback Aladdin 400M Gemini Man 250M 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babz06 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Hes not surpassing Smith, he's one person on a long list movie stars. He's a movie star for this generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaider Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 4 hours ago, Alli said: This year Smith is gonna make his comeback Aladdin 400M Gemini Man 250M dude is making movies for netflix now, i doubt GM will even hit 60m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraceRandolph Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 He’s the new Arnold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 On 4/24/2018 at 12:26 AM, The Panda said: Looking at some big stars and their ratio of ‘hits’ per movie (over 100m DOM Adjusted) since their breakout movie and ‘big hits’ per movie (over 250m DOM Adjusted), I’m also going to not count major franchise roles as RDJ likely isn’t a major draw but RDJ as Iron Man is. Of Smith and the 3 actors I’d say are definitive draws here are some examples, I may try and make a chart. DiCaprio 72% of films adjust over 100m post Titanic 17% of films adjust over 250m since Titanic Smith 55% of films adjust over 100m post Made in America (61% if you include MIB2 and 3, and Bad Boys 2) 25% of films adjust over 250m post Made in America (26% if you include MIB 2 and 3 and Bad Boys 2) Denzel 46% of films adjust over 100m since Malcom X 0% adjust over 250m Johnson 41% adjust over 100m since Scorpion King (factors out Moana and Furious franchises, 38% if you exclude Jumanji, 35% if you exclude Scorpion King, 32% if you exclude GI Joe 2) 5% over 250m if you include Jumanji, otherwise 0% Let's not forget Sandra Bullock either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatebox Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I like the Rock as much as anyone, but he's still too associated with trashy movies in a way that prime Will Smith never was. Also, if you're not old enough to remember the mid to late 90's it's hard to convey quite how huge Smith's celebrity was back then, both in film and music. He owned that half-decade. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valonqar Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Willy - 2 Oscar nominations, movies that stood the test of time, big boxoffice across various genres Dwayne - big boxoffice in action movies (and the biggest one from the franchise that he didn't even start) Love The Rock like the next guy but he isn't in Will's league or Arnie's for the matter (he and Vin started as Next Arnies). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybox Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 On 4/23/2018 at 10:31 AM, wboxoffice said: I don't know if he has yet, but the way things are going it's only a matter of time... Dwayne is on a such a roll and bringing out movie after movie... After he's done, he's going to probably pass Eddie Murphy, Will Smith, Denzel Washington, etc. in terms of being the box office king for black actors... Who would have thought this 5 years ago? (I don't count someone like Samuel L. Jackson because he's mostly in supporting roles). Love the Rock, but no. Will Smith peaked higher than the Rock. ID4, Men in Black and sole headlining movies like I Am Legend, Hitch, I,Robot, etc. Rock is huge but not Will Smith, as of now, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 On 4/23/2018 at 2:01 PM, TombRaider said: Lol at Ansel Elgort, he's irrelevant. He just got lucky And I agree that DiCaprio is still #1, and he makes good movies at that. Dwayne Johnson is an embarrassment and its movies will be forgotten in 10 years How does one get lucky? Maybe he just picks the right projects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
