AVENGERS ENDGAME | 1939.4 M overseas ● 2797.8 M worldwide

[ZattMurdock]

3 minutes ago, Juby said:

 

Without China it would be around $40M.

 

Hmm... that would be interesting if Endgame manages to overperform estimates again. How much do you think Endgame still has in the tank OS-C if it does let’s say another $10m OS-C Weekend?

[TomCruiseTop]

15 minutes ago, ZattMurdock said:

Hmm... that would be interesting if Endgame manages to overperform estimates again. How much do you think Endgame still has in the tank OS-C if it does let’s say another $10m OS-C Weekend?

I reckon with labor day expansion and FFH increasing hype that we're going to see at least another big jump and extra legs. 

[Agafin]

1 hour ago, ZattMurdock said:

Does anyone know how much Infinity War made OS-C from this point in time forward, after this Sunday at same period of time? I had it last Memorial Weekend and it was $56m, with another $51m from the domestic market, but I really don’t know now.

On June 3, 2018, IW was at :

-$966m in OS-C from an $11.3m weekend (-22%). It added $27m after that.

-$643m in US&C  from a $10.5m weekend (-39%). It added $36m after that.

-$357m in China from a $14.0m weekend (-21%). It added $19m after that.

[AlexMA]

3 hours ago, ZattMurdock said:

Does anyone know how much Infinity War made OS-C from this point in time forward, after this Sunday at same period of time? I had it last Memorial Weekend and it was $56m, with another $51m from the domestic market, but I really don’t know now.

Around $31 million without China, can't give you an exact number because exchange rates at the time messed with weekly grosses in China, so the total dropped week to week instead of rising (exactly what happened with Endgame, by the way, only to a lesser level).

 

But I can tell you it's not smaller than $29 million and it's not bigger than $31.2 million, so somewhere around there.

 

And by the way (not directed at you Zatt, this is in general because I see a lot of misconceptions around here) the actual final gross in China, what the studio reported, what they actually made over there is $614,316,021, the number on Box Office Mojo. Why? Because the final gross is counted in the local currency and converted on the last day of its run to dollars at that day's exchange rate. Disney gets 25% of that, so naturally that's what they report. If the exchange rate between Yuan and USD would have stayed leveled we'd be looking at an extra $16 million worldwide right now and a much closer finish to the worldwide record, where a late push could have actually made a difference.

 

So in essence the trade war screwed up Endgame's shot at the record big time.

 

I guess that part above is wrong, sorry.

Edited June 3, 2019 by AlexMA

[Shanks]

27 minutes ago, AlexMA said:

Around $31 million without China, can't give you an exact number because exchange rates at the time messed with weekly grosses in China, so the total dropped week to week instead of rising (exactly what happened with Endgame, by the way, only to a lesser level).

 

But I can tell you it's not smaller than $29 million and it's not bigger than $31.2 million, so somewhere around there.

 

And by the way (not directed at you Zatt, this is in general because I see a lot of misconceptions around here) the actual final gross in China, what the studio reported, what they actually made over there is $614,316,021, the number on Box Office Mojo. Why? Because the final gross is counted in the local currency and converted on the last day of its run to dollars at that day's exchange rate. Disney gets 25% of that, so naturally that's what they report. If the exchange rate between Yuan and USD would have stayed leveled we'd be looking at an extra $16 million worldwide right now and a much closer finish to the worldwide record, where a late push could have actually made a difference.

 

So in essence the trade war screwed up Endgame's shot at the record big time.

Mojo has 359m for IW.

Here <------- Disney itself has 376m.

 

Let Disney decide that.

[nguyenkhoi282]

Infinity War added another 29M after 6th OS-China weekend, going from 965M to 994M. 

Please noted that IW received a 2M bump after Disney did their year-end accounting. 

[XXR vs XXR]

36 minutes ago, AlexMA said:

And by the way (not directed at you Zatt, this is in general because I see a lot of misconceptions around here) the actual final gross in China, what the studio reported, what they actually made over there is $614,316,021, the number on Box Office Mojo. Why? Because the final gross is counted in the local currency and converted on the last day of its run to dollars at that day's exchange rate.

 

That’s actually not how that works at all lol 

[Claudio]

35 minutes ago, AlexMA said:

Around $31 million without China, can't give you an exact number because exchange rates at the time messed with weekly grosses in China, so the total dropped week to week instead of rising (exactly what happened with Endgame, by the way, only to a lesser level).

 

But I can tell you it's not smaller than $29 million and it's not bigger than $31.2 million, so somewhere around there.

 

And by the way (not directed at you Zatt, this is in general because I see a lot of misconceptions around here) the actual final gross in China, what the studio reported, what they actually made over there is $614,316,021, the number on Box Office Mojo. Why? Because the final gross is counted in the local currency and converted on the last day of its run to dollars at that day's exchange rate. Disney gets 25% of that, so naturally that's what they report. If the exchange rate between Yuan and USD would have stayed leveled we'd be looking at an extra $16 million worldwide right now and a much closer finish to the worldwide record, where a late push could have actually made a difference.

 

So in essence the trade war screwed up Endgame's shot at the record big time.

How many times the same thing needs to be repeat again and again and all over again ??? 

 

The ER adjustment on Mojo doesn't mean shit. They just a site who collects number not an official source. 

 

Disney is the source and they ( likely other studios as well ) always uses the ER when the movie released to determine the total. 

 

For Example , Mojo adjust the China total to $614M from $629M that Disney has. Therefore the WW total on Mojo should change to $12M lower than what Disney. But in fact it didn't Cause Mojo ER adjustment IS USELESS. The studio is the real source.

[Purple Minion]

Interesting scenario happening in Mexico, not sure if in other markets: Endgame "lost" about $250K in ticket sales.

7 hours ago, Carlangonz said:

Just found out why that Endgame weekend estimate is so low. In order to get as many admissions as possible before it disappears from Top 10, Disney put tickets available only for 15 lc (less than $1 USD). The strategy is been applied from May 31 until June 6.

 

[AlexMA]

26 minutes ago, Claudio said:

How many times the same thing needs to be repeat again and again and all over again ??? 

 

The ER adjustment on Mojo doesn't mean shit. They just a site who collects number not an official source. 

 

Disney is the source and they ( likely other studios as well ) always uses the ER when the movie released to determine the total. 

 

For Example , Mojo adjust the China total to $614M from $629M that Disney has. Therefore the WW total on Mojo should change to $12M lower than what Disney. But in fact it didn't Cause Mojo ER adjustment IS USELESS. The studio is the real source.

Then I am wrong and I accept that. The numbers are the same (sometimes even higher on Mojo) so that must be the correct answer. Thanks.

 

Everyone else who knows more feel free to pitch in so I understand all the details once and for all. So do they take the exchange rate from the day of the gross? And then add those together, right? I can see how that can complicate things for us (especially when you're looking back at week to week numbers and they go down instead of going up because the exchange rates mess with the totals), following box office, but I guess financially it makes sense that way for the studio to get the most out of its gross.

 

Edit: I've been doing this box office thing for 21 years and I honestly never had to think too much about this because generally exchange rates weren't that much of a issue to create big enough discrepancies in a film's total gross in the window of its release. So today I learned something new.

Edited June 3, 2019 by AlexMA

[unitedkush]

EG run is an anomaly, just like Avatar was. Both went about their business in a different manner but were impressive in their own right. A movie which opens at $357m dom and $1.2B WW is uncharted territory so I can understand why many overpredicted when hype was at its peak.

 

When its all said and done, even if it doesn't take the highest grossing in a single run record, it shall still be an outstanding performance. Keep in mind, this isn't a movie which will have many walk-ups due to connectivity with previous MCU films. The fact that an inter-connected movie which requires investment with several franchises has gotten so close should be celebrated instead of being mocked at.

[nguyenkhoi282]

20 minutes ago, Purple Minion said:

Interesting scenario happening in Mexico, not sure if in other markets: Endgame "lost" about $250K in ticket sales.

 

Disney is trying to do the same here in Vietnam. 1 last week of dirt cheap tickets

[AlexMA]

6 minutes ago, unitedkush said:

EG run is an anomaly, just like Avatar was. Both went about their business in a different manner but were impressive in their own right. A movie which opens at $357m dom and $1.2B WW is uncharted territory so I can understand why many overpredicted when hype was at its peak.

 

When its all said and done, even if it doesn't take the highest grossing in a single run record, it shall still be an outstanding performance. Keep in mind, this isn't a movie which will have many walk-ups due to connectivity with previous MCU films. The fact that an inter-connected movie which requires investment with several franchises has gotten so close should be celebrated instead of being mocked at.

Who here is mocking it? Of course ignoring the obvious trolls and the loud fanboys who would do that anyway regardless of how much it made. No one who's actually following box office can mock Endgame with a straight face. Mock it for what, becoming only the second film ever to cross $2.7 billion worldwide, and in just 40 days no less (38 domestic)?

Edited June 3, 2019 by AlexMA

[nguyenkhoi282]

19 minutes ago, AlexMA said:

Then I am wrong and I accept that. The numbers are the same (sometimes even higher on Mojo) so that must be the correct answer. Thanks.

 

Everyone else who knows more feel free to pitch in so I understand all the details once and for all. So do they take the exchange rate from the day of the gross? And then add those together, right? I can see how that can complicate things for us (especially when you're looking back at week to week numbers and they go down instead of going up because the exchange rates mess with the totals), following box office, but I guess financially it makes sense that way for the studio to get the most out of its gross.

 

Edit: I've been doing this box office thing for 21 years and I honestly never had to think too much about this because generally exchange rates weren't that much of a issue to create big enough discrepancies in a film's total gross in the window of its release. So today I learned something new.

I believe the gross is converted weekly. This is the work of POTUS from China Thread. I've been using it for the past couple of weeks.

		EG				XR 6.74	IW				XR 6.35
	Day	Yn	DoD	WoW	Tot	$Tot	Yn	DoD	WoW	Tot	$Tot
	Wed	534			725	108
	Thur	316	-40.8%		1041	155
	Fri	424	34.2%		1465	218	387			447	70
	Sat	552	30.2%		2017	300	493	27.5%		940	148
Workday	Sun	208	-62.3%		2225	331	332	-32.8%		1272	200
	Mon	124	-40.3%		2350	349	109	-67.1%		1381	217
Pre Holi Bump	Tues	256	106.0%		2606	387	81	-25.7%		1462	230
Holiday	Wed	501	95.8%		3107	462	65	-20.0%		1526	240
Holiday	Thur	337	-32.8%		3444	512	53	-19.0%		1579	249
Holiday	Fri	241	-28.5%	-43.1%	3685	548	72	36.4%	-81.5%	1650	260
Holiday	Sat	141	-41.4%	-74.4%	3826	569	142	98.2%	-71.2%	1792	282
Workday	Sun	51	-63.7%	-75.4%	3878	576	132	-7.0%	-60.2%	1924	303
	Mon	33.8	-34.1%	-72.8%	3911	581	31.6	-76.1%	-71.0%	1956	308
	Tue	28.2	-16.6%	-89.0%	3940	585	25.2	-20.3%	-68.9%	1981	312
	Wed	24.3	-14.0%	-95.2%	3964	589	21.1	-16.3%	-67.4%	2002	315
	Thu	20.9	-13.8%	-93.8%	3985	592	18.6	-11.8%	-64.6%	2021	318
DP Opens	Fri	28.1	34.4%	-88.3%	4013	596	23.1	24.2%	-67.7%	2044	322
	Sat	55.7	98.2%	-60.6%	4068	605	50.8	119.9%	-64.2%	2095	330
	Sun	39.8	-28.5%	-22.4%	4108	610	39.9	-21.5%	-69.8%	2135	336
	Mon	12.3	-69.1%	-63.6%	4121	611	12.0	-69.9%	-62.0%	2147	338
	Tue	10.9	-11.4%	-61.3%	4131	613	11.1	-7.5%	-56.0%	2158	340
	Wed	9.8	-10.1%	-59.6%	4141	614	10.5	-5.9%	-50.5%	2168	341
	Thu	8.8	-10.2%	-57.9%	4150	616	12.1	15.8%	-34.9%	2180	343
	Fri	13.2	50.0%	-53.0%	4163	618	35.2	190.9%	52.4%	2215	349
	Sat	26.4	100.0%	-52.6%	4190	622	31.6	-10.2%	-37.8%	2247	354
	Sun	19.2	-27.3%	-51.8%	4209	624	23.2	-26.6%	-41.9%	2270	358
	Mon	6.4	-66.7%	-48.0%	4215	625	7.8	-66.4%	-35.0%	2278	359
	Tue	5.6	-12.5%	-48.6%	4221	626	8.5	9.0%	-23.4%	2287	360
	Wed	4.9	-12.5%	-50.0%	4226	627	8.9	4.1%	-15.3%	2295	361
	Thu	4.3	-12.2%	-51.1%	4230	628	7.8	-11.9%	-35.5%	2303	363
	Fri	5.0	16.3%	-62.1%	4235	628	8.5	9.5%	-75.7%	2312	364
	Sat	10.0	100.0%	-62.1%	4245	630	18.4	115.5%	-41.8%	2330	367
	Sun	7.3	-27.0%	-62.0%	4252	631	15.5	-15.8%	-33.2%	2346	369
				Proj	4300	638				2390	376

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[unitedkush]

Just now, AlexMA said:

Who here is mocking it? Of course ignoring the obvious trolls and the loud fanboys who would do that anyway regardless of how much it made. No one who's actually following box office can mock Endgame with a straight face. Mock it for what, becoming only the second film ever to cross $2.7 billion worldwide in 40 days (38 domestic)?

This post wasn't aimed at you, I was browsing the thread after update came through and there are many people who are happy about it falling short of the record, while others are genuinely sad that it isn't gonna do it. I see the same doom and gloom and Reddit too, people are disappointed in its run.

 

Like you said, I can't understand it myself. This movie requires you to invest a lot of time in this universe or it won't make any sense to you. The fact they got so close is an achievement in itself. 

[Taruseth]

3 minutes ago, nguyenkhoi282 said:

Disney is trying to do the same here in Vietnam. 1 last week of dirt cheap tickets

It leaves cinemas already?

 

It finally on a holiday enhanced weekend (Thursday was a public holiday and it was rainy on Thursday) had its first drop below 50% (last three were between 50 and 52%). Probably around $1m on the weekend.

[nguyenkhoi282]

18 minutes ago, unitedkush said:

This post wasn't aimed at you, I was browsing the thread after update came through and there are many people who are happy about it falling short of the record, while others are genuinely sad that it isn't gonna do it. I see the same doom and gloom and Reddit too, people are disappointed in its run.

 

Like you said, I can't understand it myself. This movie requires you to invest a lot of time in this universe or it won't make any sense to you. The fact they got so close is an achievement in itself. 

Yeah lol somebody even said EG got 10 years and 22 movies back up for it and still couldn't reach Avatar in a sarcastic tone. It is beyond me really. 

 

But i guess we shouldn't derail the thread much further. 

Edited June 3, 2019 by nguyenkhoi282

[Claudio]

4 minutes ago, AlexMA said:

Then I am wrong and I accept that. The numbers are the same (sometimes even higher on Mojo) so that must be the correct answer. Thanks.

 

Everyone else who knows more feel free to pitch in so I understand all the details once and for all. So do they take the exchange rate from the day of the gross? And then add those together, right? I can see how that can complicate things for us (especially when you're looking back at week to week numbers and they go down instead of going up because the exchange rates mess with the totals), following box office, but I guess financially it makes sense that way for the studio to get the most out of its gross.

Yes. They do and for the rest of movie's run they always use the same exchange rate.

 

Here's a detail example :

- X country sell tickets for ¥1 each

- ER when the movie released : ¥1 = $1

Let's say the movie sell a million tickets on opening weekend. 

That means : 1,000,0000 x 1 = ¥1,000,000 ( local currency ) converse it to dollar = $1,000,000 

 

Second weekend the ER fell to ¥1 = $0.5

Let's say 500,000 tickets sold

On real value it should be :

¥500,000 x 0.5 = $250.000 so the total should be $1.250.000 BUT BOX OFFICE ISN'T LIKE THAT

 

Box office uses the old ER when the movie opened (¥1=$1) therefore the math goes:

¥500,000 = $500,000 and the total is $1,500,000

 

If they adjust the ER for the total gross then it must be pretty stressful cause ER changes every day.

[nguyenkhoi282]

7 minutes ago, Taruseth said:

It leaves cinemas already?

 

It finally on a holiday enhanced weekend (Thursday was a public holiday and it was rainy on Thursday) had its first drop below 50% (last three were between 50 and 52%). Probably around $1m on the weekend.

Vietnam cinema system isn't large enough to accomodate the upcoming influx of movies, both local and import.

[cdsacken]

3 hours ago, AlexMA said:

It didn't juts defy expectations, it defied logic and everything we thought we knew about how box office and sequels work. And before anyone brings up sequels that doubled or tripled their predecessors, remember what we're talking about here is part 22 in a 11-year spanning franchise, and it's a direct sequel to a film that came out only a year ago and that too had hugely improved over its predecessors.

It may be Disney's only shot at WW #1 for a long time as well.