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10 hours ago, Danilo018 said:

Given that The Last Jedi from this point on US market made 10 millions more and it had (much) weaker daily grosses (during it's entire run) and Infinity War 23 millions with stronger late legs than Endgame. Safe bet is 14-16 millions more for Endgame with current trend and if this week has good legs maybe even 18 millions. Point is US tank alone is bringing Endgame close to 2.75 billion even in worst case (only 14 millions for 2.745) . At this point I haven't done some analysis for OS (since Endgame opened on all markets simultaneosly, we can't have direct comparison with Infinity War and need to do more work 🙂 ), but somebody mentioned 10 millions. In worst case I don't see OS falling below 5 millions. So 2.75b is locked, and with currents trend 2.755-2.758b is the celling, leaning more towards 2.755b. Anyway that's with the current trend(s). It's highly probable that we might see some late legs in the US market which might push it towards 2.76 and slightly north of it. So in theory 2.76 and slightly more for example 2.762 is the max. And this is obvious just from the simple look at Box Office Mojo Endgame vs Force Awakens table. 

Anyway since some people are still mentioning Avatar I can't resist but join 🙂 . Avatar's original gross of 2.749b is going down I mentioned that in my first post in this thread(which was also my first post on BOT forums). And that's absolutely independent of worst case, best case scenario for Endgame legs. Endgame is going 2.75b+ and that's and axiom by now. Anyway I see that people are mentioning some other first run gross for Avatar, which is about 2.754b I don't know how accurate is that, since all official numbers i found are 2.749b. But even in case of 2.754b Endgame still has high chance of surpasing it(although it will probably be the tighest photofinish in history of box office 🙂 ) . I firmly belive that in it's first run Endgame is grossing 2.755b+ so in some case WW crown will be taken 🙂 (going by first runs). Considering potential re-release for absolute taking of the WW crown I can only say that it would be even more uncertain race than first run vs first run.

 

Now to say something about Avatar's sequel, which people also bring up and still have extremly high expectations. As I mentioned in my first post Avatar 2 will gross no where near 3b let alone 4b. Also in my first post I mentioned that Godzilla 2 will break 1b WW (🤣), and I haven't mentioned in the thread but expected Aladdin to be another 1b WW (which was far more plausible than Godzilla), so anyone is free to downplay my projection skills as much as he wants 😎😁 . I'm mentioning this because in my failed projection(Godzilla 2 ) and expectation(Aladdin) I was making asumption based on emotions and not by checking the actual empirical data (in case of Godzilla) or pop culture phenomenon power those two movies had. That same mistake(s) are being made by Avatar fans. Let me make some obvious things clear.

       1. First. Avatar hasn't left any pop culture footprint even if it was the highest grossing movie of all time. Titanic left far greater pop culture footprint than Avatar, not to mention Star Wars or MCU. And in case for making a film series which are going to break every record you need a strong pop culture base(especially nowdays)

       2. Second, Avatar revolutinised 3D, but more importantly made 3D popular again. We have been promised that Avatar 2 will also revolutinised 3D, but point is it won't make it more popular than it is. And making "3D popular again" was one of the main driving forces behind Avatar's impressive run and the primal thing which helped Avatar have week to week rises instead of drops for some time and stayed number 1 for a very long time. And mark my words Avatar 2 when released will have only week to week drops.

       3. As I mentioned in my first post now is the time of expanded universe blockbusters(for furthere info you can check it). Avatar sequel only has 10 years gap, the fact it's another James Cameroon movie and sequel to the (currently) highest grossing movie of all time. That's far less "wind in the back" that Force Awakens had and it barely passed the 2b mark. Like it or not the era of Jim as the box office king is over, now comes the era of Expanded Cinematic Universes. And in this era MCU will reign, DCEU could follow if it stands on it's legs. Star Wars will be some minor royalty and Avatar will lose territory 😃 . Case could be made for Duneverse(if 2020 entry proves succesfully and they decide to adapt all books). Elric of the Melnibone verse could become massive(Doctor Who is part of Elrics Multiverse/Omniverse) if done in the right way and more importantly in the right time. Some of the most famous and popular anime and manga series (if done properly and in the right time), Silmarilion  or simply franchises joining forces , for example having expanded universe with: James Bond, Jason Bourne and Ethan Hunt... Uff I've gone off-topic again 🙂 . 

 

To make it short. Avatar 2 is going no where near 3b let alone 4b 🙂 . Me saying that Godzilla 2 will break 1b WW was more plausible than Avatar 2 breaking 3b. Four billies I won't even comment. Just for the record, to repeat myself(from first post) Avatar 2 celling is around 2b. Personally I see it between Infinity War and Force Awakens, with domestic:OS similar to Infinity War but slightly more, maybe even surpasing slightly FA. But it surely won't surpass Titanic. And all of that is in case Avatar 2 is a good movie. If not, slightely more than Jurassic World. Also sequels will go lower . Will be similar to Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. But if all Avatapr sequels are good movies then Avatar 5 breaking 2.5 billion is very likely.. 

 

Also about 3b barrier. It will be long time until it's broken. And another MCU entry is candidate number 1 for breaking it so far.

 

For people who think that 2b is becoming a new norm. Well think again. 1b WW barrier still isn't 100% norm for 5 out of 10 highest grossing movies per year. In matter of fact it only happened last year and in 2015. Should happen this year also, but in 2020 is not certain. So we still can't say that at least 5 movies per year are grossing over 1b WW with certain. And then there is 1.5b which needs to become a norm. Surely from time to time there will be some 2b barrier breaking but we are at least 2 decades away from it becoming a norm.

 

Sorry for the wall of text and off topic themes, but interesting themes were opened and I wanted to adress them. 

perfect summarization ...

 

but Avatar2 Os gross will be more then these films as you mentioned it .. Europe & china could be break-out ... cant underestimate jim

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Stop falling for the obvious trolling meant to stir what has been a perfectly polite discussion so far about the possibility of a re-release and what it could do for Endgame. Just ignore him.

 

A page back there was someone who mentioned that Disney could re-release Endgame in 3 years, to take the record at that point if Avatar 2 doesn't get there first. With the way the MCU is going I think there's a 0% possibility of that happening. Why? Well because the whole thing about this series has been about always moving forward, never back. In 3 years we'll be neck deep in Phase 4, does anyone seriously expect Disney to present us with Endgame at that point? Unless there's an MCU movie in 3 years that has a special link to Endgame, that would require people to remember things that happened there, there's no way they do that, re-release Endgame that late. And even then there's a very slim chance it could happen.

 

In 5 months, unless you buy the movie on blu-ray, Disney+ will be the only streaming service where you will be able to see Avengers: Endgame. Disney+ is their focus at the end of this calendar year as well as the next one. Having the ability to watch the entire MCU (okay, minus Incredible Hulk, unless they can strike a deal with Universal) in one place for the very first time, that's one of the service's big selling points.

 

A few weeks ago I wanted to do an MCU rewatch but even between the 3 services I'm currently paying for I couldn't watch them all because not all those movies were available through them. So that plan went out the window. Disney+ will fix that.

 

That's my point, whatever they're going to do, they will do it before November, which doesn't leave many windows of opportunity for one last push (expansion) or a re-release. August is the obvious choice, worked for Avatar, might work here too, but Endgame won't be fully out of theaters by then, so it will be an expansion, which unless they do something special (add a couple extra minutes, maybe a scene or two, although from what I hear the Russo's left nothing on the cutting room floor, nothing that they wanted in the movie anyway), well they never work quite like some people here would like an expansion to work.

 

So I don't think a re-release is in the cards but there will definitely be an expansion at the end of its run. What that does we'll see in a couple weeks.

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17 minutes ago, AlexMA said:

Stop falling for the obvious trolling meant to stir what has been a perfectly polite discussion so far about the possibility of a re-release and what it could do for Endgame. Just ignore him.

 

A page back there was someone who mentioned that Disney could re-release Endgame in 3 years, to take the record at that point if Avatar 2 doesn't get there first. With the way the MCU is going I think there's a 0% possibility of that happening. Why? Well because the whole thing about this series has been about always moving forward, never back. In 3 years we'll be neck deep in Phase 4, does anyone seriously expect Disney to present us with Endgame at that point? Unless there's an MCU movie in 3 years that has a special link to Endgame, that would require people to remember things that happened there, there's no way they do that, re-release Endgame that late. And even then there's a very slim chance it could happen.

 

In 5 months, unless you buy the movie on blu-ray, Disney+ will be the only streaming service where you will be able to see Avengers: Endgame. Disney+ is their focus at the end of this calendar year as well as the next one. Having the ability to watch the entire MCU (okay, minus Incredible Hulk, unless they can strike a deal with Universal) in one place for the very first time, that's one of the service's big selling points.

 

A few weeks ago I wanted to do an MCU rewatch but even between the 3 services I'm currently paying for I couldn't watch them all because not all those movies were available through them. So that plan went out the window. Disney+ will fix that.

 

That's my point, whatever they're going to do, they will do it before November, which doesn't leave many windows of opportunity for one last push (expansion) or a re-release. August is the obvious choice, worked for Avatar, might work here too, but Endgame won't be fully out of theaters by then, so it will be an expansion, which unless they do something special (add a couple extra minutes, maybe a scene or two, although from what I hear the Russo's left nothing on the cutting room floor, nothing that they wanted in the movie anyway), well they never work quite like some people here would like an expansion to work.

 

So I don't think a re-release is in the cards but there will definitely be an expansion at the end of its run. What that does we'll see in a couple weeks.

we are just talking about a push honestly, not about a re release, only

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Why not re-release after Blu Ray like Avatar did? They can do release a special edition that won't be on Disney+. Helps Blu Ray sales and box office.

 

It's like being within distance of a gold medal but giving up. Sure you could do that but why.

 

Without yeah it's not gonna make it just like Avatar only did 2.745 or whatever without the special edition.

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25 minutes ago, cdsacken said:

Why not re-release after Blu Ray like Avatar did? They can do release a special edition that won't be on Disney+. Helps Blu Ray sales and box office.

 

It's like being within distance of a gold medal but giving up. Sure you could do that but why.

 

Without yeah it's not gonna make it just like Avatar only did 2.745 or whatever without the special edition.

But when would they re-release it, that's my question. There's not a lot of time between August and November. Remember Avatar came out in December 2009 and the re-release was out in August 2010, 8 months later. A similar timetable would give us an Endgame re-release in January, which I'll say this much, is not impossible, but at that point we'll already be talking about Black Widow, and have at least one teaser or trailer for it. Like I said previously, Disney don't tend to look back. So do you want people to talk about Black Widow and leave Endgame in the rear view mirror or do you want the talk to be about how Disney are taking one last stab at the WW record, which if we're being frank would just look desperate. Remember when JC's second coming received a re-release it was already more than $900 million higher than Titanic. They didn't do that re-release because they wanted to break a record, they did it because there was demand for the movie, because people wanted one last chance to watch it in theaters.

 

Endgame will have that, in August, when they'll give it one last big push. A re-release when we'll already move on to phase 4 is not a good look, not for a record, not for the reasons some fans want it, and Disney are very careful with how they're perceived. If they get it with that last push in August fine, if not that's fine too, they're still going to be North of $2.75 billion worldwide either way.

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12 minutes ago, AlexMA said:

But when would they re-release it, that's my question. There's not a lot of time between August and November. Remember Avatar came out in December 2009 and the re-release was out in August 2010, 8 months later. A similar timetable would give us an Endgame re-release in January, which I'll say this much, is not impossible, but at that point we'll already be talking about Black Widow, and have at least one teaser or trailer for it. Like I said previously, Disney don't tend to look back. So do you want people to talk about Black Widow and leave Endgame in the rear view mirror or do you want the talk to be about how Disney are taking one last stab at the WW record, which if we're being frank would just look desperate. Remember when JC's second coming received a re-release it was already more than $900 million higher than Titanic. They didn't do that re-release because they wanted to break a record, they did it because there was demand for the movie, because people wanted one last chance to watch it in theaters.

 

Endgame will have that, in August, when they'll give it one last big push. A re-release when we'll already move on to phase 4 is not a good look, not for a record, not for the reasons some fans want it, and Disney are very careful with how they're perceived. If they get it with that last push in August fine, if not that's fine too, they're still going to be North of $2.75 billion worldwide either way.

re release could happen in august, as at least in os markets the movie will have done by july, yeah IF they do a re release or a push it will be this summer

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3 minutes ago, john2000 said:

re release could happen in august, as at least in os markets the movie will have done by july, yeah IF they do a re release or a push it will be this summer

Exactly, blu-ray is coming in August (not official yet but looking at the timetable that makes the most sense) and yes, OS it will be done by the end of July, so an international re-release in August could happen. In the US it should still be in theaters, even a week before its blu-ray release, so that will be a push. And it's pretty easy to advertise, last chance to watch Endgame in theaters, that's it. People will come, probably not enough to get it to the WW record, but they will come.

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Just now, AlexMA said:

Exactly, blu-ray is coming in August (not official yet but looking at the timetable that makes the most sense) and yes, OS it will be done by the end of July, so an international re-release in August could happen. In the US it should still be in theaters, even a week before its blu-ray release, so that will be a push. And it's pretty easy to advertise, last chance to watch Endgame in theaters, that's it. People will come, probably not enough to get it to the WW record, but they will come.

we really dont know how much money it will get from that, but after that if it is close a labor day expansion dom could end it

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10 minutes ago, thenerdal said:

A rerelease this year won't get enough to reach the goal. The hype will be gone & there won't be an extended version. 

Worked for avatar and it was much much later into the process. Maybe it will, maybe it won't.

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1 minute ago, PKMLover said:

3.8 to 4.6

JUNE 7–9, 2019
Note: The number of days and dates in a weekend may vary by country.
The above dates reflect the standard Fri–Sun weekend.

 

Country
(click to view chart)
Rank Days in
Wknd
Weekend
Gross
%
Change
Screens/
Theaters
Change / Avg. Gross-to-Date Week #
FOREIGN TOTAL 8 3 $4,494,397 -49.4% 49 -2 $91,722 $1,906,974,740 7
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24 minutes ago, PKMLover said:

How much money did the OS make in this whole week? Comparing to last week? 

Can it pull $10M more after this weekend? 

Yes it made made 8.5m in the past 7 days OS so it can easily see that.

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On 6/3/2019 at 9:45 AM, titanic2187 said:
Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic:  $815,501,784    30.0%
Foreign:  $1,898,410,253    70.0%

Worldwide:  $2,713,912,037  

 

 

went up again by 0.8m OS

 

9 minutes ago, titanic2187 said:
Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic:  $824,365,940    30.2%
Foreign:  $1,906,974,740    69.8%

Worldwide:  $2,731,340,680

 

OS actual up 0.8m.

 

Weekend number up from 3.8m to 4.5m

DOM week 9M, might add ~15.    

 

OS week 8.5M, might add ~10?      

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11 minutes ago, Thanos Legion said:

 

DOM week 9M, might add ~15.    

 

OS week 8.5M, might add ~10?      

Could be more. 47% drop OS including the holiday bump from last week. Much smaller drop excluding Monday.

 

IW did 25 million after this week most of it not china. Half that is 12.5 which seems doable.

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