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Eternals | Marvel Studios | Nov 5 2021 | Magnum-Opus by Oscar winner Chloe Zhao - Marvel's first rotten movie | Dips into the 40s on RT, B CinemaScore

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2 minutes ago, Saul Goodman said:


Exactly, they are a weird toxic bunch.

 

The average audience member is going into this expecting a good time without knowing or caring about the discourse about Chloe Zhao.

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6 hours ago, BestPicturePlutoNash said:

I understand where the joke is coming from. The marketing of Eternals has been somewhat grating. Chloe Zhao doing press about how the film is influenced by Malick and Feige going on all year about shooting on real locations has been eye-roll worthy. Anyone who has seen Nomadland or The Rider should know Zhao fundamentally misunderstands Malick and only recognizes him on a superficial level. His aesthetic is a mismatch for the trite plotting of Nomadland. What is Malick-esque about Eternals? Will there be a closeup of a hand in a what farm? Superhero and genre films in general are always meant to be reflective in their subtext--Nolan elevated the genre with TDK. This talk is just excessive and makes the 150 minute runtime look more bloated. She's bragging about how long the takes hold but doesn't that just reveal the limitations of formulaic blockbuster filming instead? Other than the dimmer lighting, there is nothing that truly stands out visually in the trailer than any other MCU or superhero movie. I just wish for once these directors would be like "Just wanted to make a fun film". I don't like Venom but at least that was 90 minutes and mostly comedic despite the usual blockbuster flaws

 

But hey, people love this and are eating it up. An epic MCU film with romance and global ensemble is catnip for the mainstream

Zhao talk about Malick in every interview she can for years now, she simply loves him. In fact, Malick himself gave her some notes for Nomadland and encourage her, so what exactly is the problem to name dropping him now? 

 

Yes it's a Marvel movie, still she wasn't the first director to use a bunch of different projects to find inspiration for a superhero movie. It doesn't mean it will be visible on the final movie anyway. Beyond that, she never name dropping classic diretors and movies talking about Eternals without people asking, they ask her some movies and she answer, what is she supposed to do? Lie and say Eternals is inspired by Star Wars, Lord Of The Rings and The Dark Knight just because it looks to fits better with her actual movie? It's not really her problem if many MCU fans doesn't know the movies she took inspiration.

 

Idk, i feel the "joke" on film twitter is not exactly about what Zhao is saying because she always said it, but until last year she said this type of things talking about her indie movies so it's fine, now it's a Marvel movie so it becames a joke because apparently some groups still think mock Marvel = know better about cinema, which is laughable.

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Malick (Tree of Life) and Kubrick (2001) pondered some existential questions. Without spoiling anything, so does Eternals. But go ahead, believe it's just Eternals vs Deviants like Autobots vs Decepticons. :rolleyes:

 

Eternals is what Star Wars would be if Filoni's most esoteric elements such as TCW's Mortis trilogy and Rebels' World Between Worlds were put on the big screen. 

 

 

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I mean, I'm just gonna put it like this: Eternals is an MCU movie, and we know what to expect from an MCU movie. They're fun, they're entertaining, sometimes they're great, and that's fine. I don't suspect that Eternals is going to be like a Terrence Malick movie lol.

 

That being said, people who exaggerate that Chloé Zhao shouldn't namedrop Malick as an influence for the movie are kinda ridiculous lol. She can namedrop whoever the fuck she wants, it's her movie. Whether or not it lives up to that is different conversation, but I honestly feel like being cynical about what movies can or cannot be referenced in the lead-up to a release of a film like this is elitist bullshit.

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a movie can be entertaining and deal with bigger existential questions. Malick and Kubrick are famous for that, not just for making boring movies. 

 

I also see no reason why a director of an entertaining blockbuster wouldn't cite these names if they influenced her work on the fun movie be it through aesthetics, themes, both, other. 

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there's no new footage on there, but there's new tv spot with 2 seconds of big scene. some said it's from india tv spot.

 

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“It's structured in style like The Godfather Part Two; there's a past storyline and the present storyline,” reveals Nate Moore, Producer at Marvel Studios. He estimates that 60% of the film is set in the modern day, with the remaining 40% exploring a multitude of eras.

As Moore describes Eternals’ many eras he namechecks the Gupta Empire in 200 AD, the fall of the Aztec Empire, and the Amazon circa 1500 AD, the latter of which is also revisited in the present day. There’s also Mesopotamia and its famous city of Babylon, a chunk of which was built on a Pinewood soundstage.

During its present-day segments London appears to be a key location, as it’s where two Eternals have made their home living among humans; Sprite and Sersi. 

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“[Director Chloé Zhao’s] brief was that everybody had to be natural,” explains Frances Hannon, Hair and Makeup Designer on Eternals. “She didn’t want a superhero look. She wants them to be accessible to every age and everybody.”

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“The Deviants in the comics are called the changing people, and no two look the same,” says Moore. “So in our film, no two Deviants will look the same. When they kill off a predator in the film, they take the shape of that predator. So there's a bat-like Deviant, there's a wolf-like Deviant, there's even Deviants that look like all sorts of creatures from myth and legend and history.”

One of them, though, looks like earth’s greatest apex predator: humanity. Its name is Kro.

“He is the leader of the Deviants,” reveals Moore. “He is the most intelligent of the Deviants. He is the only one who can speak, and that evolution will be one of the mysteries the Eternals have to uncover. Why is he able to do this? Why does he look humanoid when all the other Deviants, to some degree, are monstrous?”

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Moore describes it as a “hard sci-fi”, and notes that director Chloé Zhao references Ridley Scott’s Alien prequel Prometheus a lot.

“Even though the movie is about these immortal aliens, thematically it is about humanity and what it means to be human,” Moore says, linking Eternals to Prometheus’ philosophical questions. “And are we stewards of our Earth? Or is that somebody else's problem? Even though these characters are not human, that's what the movie wants to tackle.”

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But while Gaiman’s work is considered a must-read in the Marvel canon, the MCU is going back to where it all began for the movie version: Jack Kirby’s stories from 1976.

The decision behind this is simple. “The Gaiman run was very much about people who didn't realize they were special,” explains Moore. “And then Ikaris coming and saying ‘Hey, guess what, you guys are immortals and your memories have been erased.’ That’s pretty cool, but it’s also the plot of Harry Potter, and I Am Number Four, and The Matrix, and a lot of movies like that.

We thought it would be more interesting to spend the time with characters who knew exactly who they were,” Moore continues. “And to track those characters through what will be 7,000 years of human history.”

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“She's pushed us as a filmmaker to make Eternals feel aesthetically different than any other Marvel movie,” explains Moore. “She likes to shoot in a lot of natural locations with natural light. So this film, of any Marvel films, has shot outside exteriors more than anything else. I think it's lent it a look unlike anything we've ever done.”

 

https://www.ign.com/articles/marvels-eternals-set-visit

 

I picked some interesting parts from full article

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On the question about why the Eternals didn't fight Thanos, did they even know that Thanos was on the planet to be able to fight him? In IW it seemed like Thanos' arrival in Wakanda was quite sudden and the battle itself didn't last super long, not sure if word would have even gotten out. 

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