HAN SOLO MEMORIAL (day weekend) THREAD | Solo Flops Domestically with 83M/101M weekend. Spectacularly Bombs Overseas with 65M weekend.

[Valonqar]

3 minutes ago, TalismanRing said:

Fandango was talking about the FIRST Day.  It's SW of course it was bigger.  That they didn't compare it to Rogue One was a red flag from the start.   Just as when Fandango said JL was selling better than WW instead of BvS.

 

 

This is an excellent point and something to always take into consideration when studios boast about pre-sales. When they start comparing apples and oranges that should raise red flags immediately. 

Edited May 29, 2018 by Valonqar

[dudalb]

22 minutes ago, oMeriMombatti said:

#1 movie in the world which bombed in each and every market OS.

Back in 1963, the Liz Taylor Cleopatra was the number one movie   for the the year but still lost FOx lots of money;it did not break even until Fox sold it to television and the video release.

[TalismanRing]

2 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

This is an excellent point and something to always take into consideration when studios boast about pre-sales. When they start comparing apples and oranges that should raise red flags immediately. 

It wasn't studios but Fandango - this is what they d to hype ticket sales and new releases.  Just be aware of what they're comparing a film to and also when it came out.

[titanic2187]

1 minute ago, TalismanRing said:

Many critics are also fans and many grew up on Star Wars.  They just really liked the movie.  Fans didn't mind when those same critics gave high grades to TFA and Rogue One.  They didn't think they were being arrogant or pretentious then - just right.

As you have pointed out, fans didn't mind when high scores was given to TFA and Rogue one, and in fact, fans in general are with critics even on prequel too, Ep3 was generally regarded as the best among prequel by both fans and critics. 

 

Why is the disconnection suddenly grew so huge when come to TLJ? I am not sure who is right and no point of arguing who is right....

[Valonqar]

3 minutes ago, PPZVGOS said:

Memorial Day weekend was the primary tentpole slot for decades. Then, after the epic success of the original Raimi Spiderman and a few other massive OWs outside of the traditional slots (Hannibal, Rush Hour 2) studios realized that a strong movie will open big in just about any time of the year. It is beyond moronic to blame the release date. 

 

As for "fatigue". People have been forecasting "fatigue" for SH movies for a decade now. Well, where are we now? Two SH movies are the only mega-blockbusters of the year so far, and in record-shattering fashion. Marvel seems able to release 3 movies every single year with 0 problems, and I'm sure that if they went for 4, they could pull it off (provided the films were watchable) 

 

There's one reason for Solo's travails, and it was directed by some clueless indie guy having Luke throwing away his lightsabre in order to "subvert expectations" or something. 

Hear hear! LF and shills should not give us fatigue spin when MCU released 2 major tentpoles 2 months apart and each crossed 600M dom and 1.3B WW! Where's your fatigue now? But SW fans were miraculously fatigued from 6 months turnover between 2 movies. It's so laughable and pathetic. MCU suffered no fatigue cause - shocker of shockers - their movies were GREAT! Yeah, we are so tired of great movies, please release them with a gap of a year or more. Losers. 

[TalismanRing]

Aside from saturation or TLJ backlash etc - significant parts of the media and fandom have been ragging on Solo as soon as it was announced.  Many thought it was unnecessary, some hated the casting or the thought of anyone being Han other than Ford, and others turned on it after the Lord & Miller firing.  It didn't help that the re-shoots pushed marketing back and a trailer wasn't even released until 3 months before release.  Other SW movies have had almost year round publicity to pump them up.  This should have been moved to August or even October/November as soon as L&M were fired.

[Istealnames]

3 minutes ago, TalismanRing said:

It wasn't studios but Fandango - this is what they d to hype ticket sales and new releases.  Just be aware of what they're comparing a film to and also when it came out.

Fandango just put out a comparison with Black Panther on first day of presales. The trades ran with it - which is fine, but then they helped spread the intent that Solo was doing better than Black Panther and they weren't doing basic due diligence like comparing the presales to other Star Wars movies and essentially misreporting.

[Chewy]

Just now, TalismanRing said:

Aside from saturation or TLJ backlash etc - significant parts of the media and fandom have been ragging on Solo as soon as it was announced.  Many thought it was unnecessary, some hated the casting or the thought of anyone being Han other than Ford, and others turned on it after the Lord & Miller firing.  It didn't help that the re-shoots pushed marketing back and a trailer wasn't even released until 3 months before release.  Other SW movies have had almost year round publicity to pump them up.  This should have been moved to August or even October/November as soon as L&M were fired.

 

Disney originally scheduled one of the episodes (forget if it was 8 or 9) for mem day too before moving it. They REALLY wanted to make this date happen for Star Wars since everything else they put here flops, and they can sell "Star Wars Anniversary!" to the fans. Their way of prepping the schedule for 2 Star Wars a year prolly. But it ain't gonna happen, Disney

[poweranimals]

10 minutes ago, PPZVGOS said:

Memorial Day weekend was the primary tentpole slot for decades. Then, after the epic success of the original Raimi Spiderman and a few other massive OWs outside of the traditional slots (Hannibal, Rush Hour 2) studios realized that a strong movie will open big in just about any time of the year. It is beyond moronic to blame the release date. 

 

As for "fatigue". People have been forecasting "fatigue" for SH movies for a decade now. Well, where are we now? Two SH movies are the only mega-blockbusters of the year so far, and in record-shattering fashion. Marvel seems able to release 3 movies every single year with 0 problems, and I'm sure that if they went for 4, they could pull it off (provided the films were watchable) 

 

There's one reason for Solo's travails, and it was directed by some clueless indie guy having Luke throwing away his lightsabre in order to "subvert expectations" or something. 

The key though isn't so much the actual date as the competition surrounding it. When I first saw that they were launching Infinity War and a Star Wars movie in the same month, I was dumbfounded. Especially since both were from the same company. Initially they had episode 9 in the month as Avengers 4 as well. Fortunately, IW moved up a week which helped the situation a little but you still had Deadpool coming out the week beforehand. You're basically looking at the same audience for both of those movies. Solo might be able to get away with having more family friendly viewing but most of those people would probably just rather see Infinity War if they hadn't gotten to it yet.

[John Marston]

44 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

Very true. The list of excuses by LF shills has just gotten longer. After fatigue/frequency, Cursed Memorial Day and hot weather in Europe, they now added alt-left to the list. Anyone's fault but LF's. 

 

@John Marston They'll never admit it openly. You'll know when RJ's trilogy either gets put on the backburner or he's demoted to executive producer and when KK's contract doesn't get renewed by they give her position to JJ or whoever they think will be more popular with fans. 

 

 

to be fair. Weather may have played a part in the UK at least. Solo's opening there was apparently horrendous. Disgustingly bad. Weather does indeed keep people away  from the theater there so it has to have a part to do with it

[TalismanRing]

2 minutes ago, Chewy said:

 

Disney originally scheduled one of the episodes (forget if it was 8 or 9) for mem day too before moving it. They REALLY wanted to make this date happen for Star Wars since everything else they put here flops, and they can sell "Star Wars Anniversary!" to the fans. Their way of prepping the schedule for 2 Star Wars a year prolly. But it ain't gonna happen, Disney

I believe TFA was originally a MD release but JJ said he needed more time.   They should have done the same for Solo.

 

One would hope looking at next year they move Aladdin.  Good or not it doesn't need to be sandwiched in between Avengers 4, Lion King and Toy Story 4.

[DMan7]

Is Han Solo the JL of 2018? 

[Istealnames]

9 minutes ago, titanic2187 said:

As you have pointed out, fans didn't mind when high scores was given to TFA and Rogue one, and in fact, fans in general are with critics even on prequel too, Ep3 was generally regarded as the best among prequel by both fans and critics. 

 

Why is the disconnection suddenly grew so huge when come to TLJ? I am not sure who is right and no point of arguing who is right....

Fandom movies are usually prone to this behavior. DCEU stans petition against RT but cite WW RT scores, Marvel fans use RT scores to justify that MCU is critically successful, but I'm sure a lot of people disagreed with Infinity War RT score. 

[BardCrank]

1 hour ago, IronJimbo said:

Going against the last bastion of hope for director driven blockbusters is sad! I will be here to share his triumph with everyone here and I hope you will be able to celebrate with us.

I'm sure it will be a decent movie like the first one 

It won't triumph though , those days are long past my friend 

[John Marston]

42 minutes ago, titanic2187 said:

If disney never care the hatred from SW fans, we only have fans to blame, SW fans has proven that they are very resilient to their own dissatisfaction, and will still show up for the next one. That rendered studio from taking the fans feeling seriously. 

 

Solo failure can be excused as "spin off factor" or whatever competition reasoning. Ep9 will be a testament for sequel trilogy when all the nostalgic factor is washed away and replaced by huge dissatisfaction among fans, simultaneously a testament of how right of RT vs Fans on TLJ. 

 

And i doubt Ep9 will be still that lucky by being a lone blockbuster during christmas since TLJ and JUmanji showcase has proven x-man/NY is big enough for 2 blockbuster to coexist.  

 

 

absolutely. Studios no longer need to be afraid of Star Wars so now they don't need to hestitate to schedule movies around it

 

 

Episode 9 is going down, down, down. Episode 8 set up absolutely nothing interesting to happen in Episode 9

[TalismanRing]

1 minute ago, John Marston said:

 

 

to be fair. Weather may have played a part in the UK at least. Solo's opening there was apparently horrendous. Disgustingly bad. Weather does indeed keep people away  from the theater there so it has to have a part to do with it

The huge part sunny and hot weather plays in the B.O. of UK, Germany and a lot of Northern Europe cannot be understated.  Whether it's sunny or rainy is mentioned in almost every B.O. w/e preview in the International section.  The only thing that affects movie going worse is soccer er football and there were some big matches going on last weekend . 

 

Studios know about the latter since they purposely schedule movies to avoid the World Cup - which is why JW:FK is opening earlier O/S.

[sfran43]

 

[TalismanRing]

4 minutes ago, DMan7 said:

Is Han Solo the JL of 2018? 

Not really. It's most likely going to be a bigger financial loss WW but it's also a spin off movie and not the main trilogy or the movie that was supposed to be DC's answer to The Avengers.

[LonePirate]

As ridiculous as the Forbes article is, you can find some data in this weekend’s numbers that partially support some of what he is saying. The five best holds in the Top 10 this weekend all belong to female led films.

 

Book Club: -8%

Life of the Party: -9%

Breaking In: -16%

Overboard: -7%

RBG: +24%

 

Sure, Solo and Deadpool both grossed more than all five of those films combined this weekend. Still, female led films (and co-led films if you count AQP which was -24%) had a remarkable weekend, worthy of an article all on their own. Tales of female box office firepower will only increase during the next couple of weeks.

[Chewy]

Disney spent just as outrageously as WB did on JL and it's bombing much harder