HAN SOLO MEMORIAL (day weekend) THREAD | Solo Flops Domestically with 83M/101M weekend. Spectacularly Bombs Overseas with 65M weekend.

[terrestrial]

 

As mentioned and posted over the weekend, I try to

compile a list of points made pro and contra Solo... and the franchise

I read around 5/6 of the thread = I might have missed thoughts

In a way a www list

 

Here now the updated version:

 

Actually about the movie itself in a way ~ pro the film:

reduced pool of aimed for audience:

more for fans of the OT, but counting not for all for reasons, PT fans might be less / not interested at all (that is only a feeling)

more for ppl who do like small scale side stories too

ppl who have nothing against going the time-line backwards

 

middle ground:

Film is fine, but not superb

 

About the film ~ anti:

At least one thinks: "Lando is Pan-sexual" announcement is part of the reason

Lead character too American brash for today's OS taste

Not enough brash ... (?term) aehm typical Han as he was as a 10-15y older one in SW4-6

Rt critics ratings

Some think its mediocre

A certain percentage of organised down-voting might not have helped also

Does not contribute to the big story in a big enough manner (or nearly not at all)

 

Not interested into the franchise and/or the studio up to even crusading against it:

- Some root against big budgets on principle

Some root against certain studios for reasons that vary again:

- based on competing for records / chart places franchises. I counted at least 4 of those a lot

- studio too big

- too SJW (more out of the net, but a few ones do sound a little bit like they read there too)

 

company /distributor is The cause / also a cause:

reasons based on internal / different departments' needs release dates,... that might hinder (see comments about Igor pushing for early release from the get go for reasons nothing to do with cinema/BO)

ads not placed in a way reaching the potential interested (esp. OS, to a degree in the US), if there was even outside the cinemas ads at some places

Too much competition out of the same audience/same demographic (AIW, DP2)

promo started too late, 1st trailer wasn't that good, trailer released whilst other big news/BO/... That might have been even worse for OS as there are more PT fans there / didn't grew up with Han

embargo lifted too early

Was Cannes - with it's for 'high cultural' seeking reviewers, the right place to show the film?

 

News/magazines/YT based influence on potential audience:

ppl are sceptical because the re-shoot stories

ppl are sceptical because casting decisions

 

general preferences or thoughts:

Interlacing sequels and prequels might not be something for ppl preferring continuity in the time-line

Average / part of the audience have not the money or time, not so much into going to the cinemas to watch that many big events... in the cinema in such a short time-frame (av movie-goer doesn't go that often per year) = 1st time it got mentioned before Deadline wrote about that too.

Big sports events in the US, and UK at least

Weather in UK, Germany, ... was very cinema unfriendly, whole market in those countries was bad (I think meant mostly about %, not in the huge number area)
 

~ mystical or... (?)

Is Memorial Day cursed for Disney? (I think the grammar sounds wrong here)
 

Not interested into it, but interested into other SW movies:

Some want to only see forwards going stories (time-line generally more future orientated than they do it now)

Some want to only see backwards happening stories (time-line way back, see KOTOR)

Some are haters of previous film xy (interestingly that differs too), dislike them... varying degrees

Some want to boycott till whatever they aim for gets changed, that too differs, very strongly even

Some want to see more male white leads again... and funnily boycott the movie that actually does offer what they 'screamed' for

Some do only want to see Harrison as Solo

Some want SW to be always a space opera (what both side stories are not)

Some want only the side-story forca certain character, but do not want to support a side-story about another character. Which character should get next a movie differs strongly again. Incl which details in those movies should be part of the story.

Some want change, but for some of those only the exact kind of change they aim for and then strongly disapprove if the change involves details other fans asked for, or if the change is varying from their partly rather narrow formulated ones.

Some demand every film has to feel special and think that only more time between the releases will manage that

Some want the movies only at certain times of the year

Some want risk, but what they exactly mean never gets explained with fleshed out examples , and/or what is there to find in the thread-post's descriptions, seems to differ again

Some think too many got released in a too short of a time-frame (oversaturate)

 

SW7 + SW8:

interaction not long enough between the 3 leads, no developing friendship or...

Most importantly Rey in SW8 no development (in opposition to the feeling that the studio think the resistance is based on anti-female)

Inn and Poe neither get developed

Kylo no real development neither, only a new status (supreme leader exchange)

Some Hoping for surviving Luke, or ghost Luke, or.. whatever they might come up with to get him back for showing more of him ~ back to his old self

story takes place within 'felt like 2 days' (= SW 8 and Solo)

No goal to see for the next one (not sure if it was meant in that way as I haven't seen SW8)

The hope nothing similar as the Casino scene will happen (off beat?)

~ Really, a death star again?

Fandom feels it gets either ignored or misunderstood

 

Unique or interesting/better phrased than I am able to:

@Mekanos asked

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Anyone else think there is something morbid about seeing the prequel starring a character audiences saw die 2.5 years ago? I wonder if that might be a factor. 

@Chewy

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It's a ridiculous situation all the way around. The loudest TLJ detractors join the youtube bois in screaming about absolutely embarrassing nonsense like identity politics and feminism ruining Star Wars. But the majority of ppl who have issues with TLJ complain about much more reasonable things like Luke or odd subplots. Meanwhile the loudest TLJ fans scream about the loudest detractors and pretend everyone else loves it. While the majority of ppl who like TLJ are just like "yea it's good, it works for me, I understand some ppl don't like it but ok"

 

So the entire conversation is SO LOUD and almost every reasonable take is drowned out by garbage

@Barnack (a bit out of context, still usable for here I think):

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That said I wonder if male lead under 30 that look young and are not playing highschooler/really young could be a bad idea for tentpole.

@DeeCee

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t’s all speculation and there’s no definitive way to be sure but I think the muted response to Solo is due to 3 things in roughly equal measure. 

1.The idea it’s a film no one asked for. 

2.The troubled production with the change of directors. 

3.A reaction to the TLJ. 

Maybe it might have performed better with only one or two of these issues but clearly not all three. 

@titanic2187

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Poe and Ray never talked to each other since TFA, only until the very end of TLJ, a forced introductory dialogue was added

 

trades:

Deadline:

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One small Delaware exhibitor wrote Deadline over the weekend, “We never got close to selling out our big houses or our little houses on Solo.  The poor spacing of the tentpoles just adds to it under performing.  The moviegoer is on a budget: They just spent money to go to Avengers than two weeks later Deadpool 2 now a week later a lot of moviegoers are out of money by the time Solo comes out.”

Mendelson:

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As long as large chunks of the fanbase only accept XYZ as "true #StarWars," then every film will be greeted by calls that Disney and Lucasfilm "wrecked STAR WARS." And since the loudest/angriest voices get to the top of the Google search results, they will shape the narrative.

 

There will be large chunks of #StarWars fans who want "new, unique, different" and those fans who want nostalgia and a certain throwback. Even if Disney is giving us both, as long as each new SW film is viewed as "the new direction," one half of the fandom will always be pissed.

( btw Mendelson is know for:

- having an unusual kind of black/bleak humour/sarcasm, be aware, he doesn't always get how others, not used to him, might interpret his wordings.

- He isn't good with OS/China

- not a fan of the SH genre)

 

 

Did I miss something?

 

I tried to compile all sides, no matter what I think about the movie

 

 

[GraceRandolph]

14 minutes ago, Thrylos 7 said:

in Italy we basically have a non-military coup to prevent the extremists the people actually voted for (70%) to form a government,

Yikes at this though.  Goes completely against democracy. Although the choice of government was always an illusion. At the end of the day the powers that be (bankers and cooperations) will never let up their tyranny.  

[Valonqar]

1 hour ago, MovieMan89 said:

 

Besides, iirc they made her pretty much completely good by the end of the film. The whole draw in the first place was seeing Jolie ham it up as one of the most evil Disney villains. If they're not gonna backtrack and make her more evil in this sequel and she's gonna be completely good then it's really gonna tank. 

hear hear! her character arc ended, there's nowhere to go and who needs good maleficent? She's Mistress of all Evil. 

[Thrylos 7]

1 minute ago, GraceRandolph said:

Yikes at this though.  Goes completely against democracy. Although the choice of government was always an illusion. At the end of the day the powers that be (bankers and cooperations) will never let up their tyranny.  

Yeah what is happening in Italy right now is propestrous, quite shocking. Basically the countries that have the euro currency don’t have democracy right now, just a fake shell of democracy and even that shell is being smashed in Italy.

[Valonqar]

LOL, why did they think Roseanne would have a long run? She was bound to say something damaging, isn't that the whole point of her fame?

[sfran43]

 

[FilmBuff]

18 minutes ago, terrestrial said:

 

As mentioned and posted over the weekend, I try to

compile a list of points made pro and contra Solo... and the franchise

I read around 5/6 of the thread = I might have missed thoughts

In a way a www list

 

Here now the updated version:

 

Actually about the movie itself in a way ~ pro the film:

reduced pool of aimed for audience:

more for fans of the OT, but counting not for all for reasons, PT fans might be less / not interested at all (that is only a feeling)

more for ppl who do like small scale side stories too

ppl who have nothing against going the time-line backwards

 

middle ground:

Film is fine, but not superb

 

About the film ~ anti:

At least one thinks: "Lando is Pan-sexual" announcement is part of the reason

Lead character too American brash for today's OS taste

Not enough brash ... (?term) aehm typical Han as he was as a 10-15y older one in SW4-6

Rt critics ratings

Some think its mediocre

A certain percentage of organised down-voting might not have helped also

Does not contribute to the big story in a big enough manner (or nearly not at all)

 

Not interested into the franchise and/or the studio up to even crusading against it:

- Some root against big budgets on principle

Some root against certain studios for reasons that vary again:

- based on competing for records / chart places franchises. I counted at least 4 of those a lot

- studio too big

- too SJW (more out of the net, but a few ones do sound a little bit like they read there too)

 

company /distributor is The cause / also a cause:

reasons based on internal / different departments' needs release dates,... that might hinder (see comments about Igor pushing for early release from the get go for reasons nothing to do with cinema/BO)

ads not placed in a way reaching the potential interested (esp. OS, to a degree in the US), if there was even outside the cinemas ads at some places

Too much competition out of the same audience/same demographic (AIW, DP2)

promo started too late, 1st trailer wasn't that good, trailer released whilst other big news/BO/... That might have been even worse for OS as there are more PT fans there / didn't grew up with Han

embargo lifted too early

Was Cannes - with it's for 'high cultural' seeking reviewers, the right place to show the film?

 

News/magazines/YT based influence on potential audience:

ppl are sceptical because the re-shoot stories

ppl are sceptical because casting decisions

 

general preferences or thoughts:

Interlacing sequels and prequels might not be something for ppl preferring continuity in the time-line

Average / part of the audience have not the money or time, not so much into going to the cinemas to watch that many big events... in the cinema in such a short time-frame (av movie-goer doesn't go that often per year) = 1st time it got mentioned before Deadline wrote about that too.

Big sports events in the US, and UK at least

Weather in UK, Germany, ... was very cinema unfriendly, whole market in those countries was bad (I think meant mostly about %, not in the huge number area)
 

~ mystical or... (?)

Is Memorial Day cursed for Disney? (I think the grammar sounds wrong here)
 

Not interested into it, but interested into other SW movies:

Some want to only see forwards going stories (time-line generally more future orientated than they do it now)

Some want to only see backwards happening stories (time-line way back, see KOTOR)

Some are haters of previous film xy (interestingly that differs too), dislike them... varying degrees

Some want to boycott till whatever they aim for gets changed, that too differs, very strongly even

Some want to see more male white leads again... and funnily boycott the movie that actually does offer what they 'screamed' for

Some do only want to see Harrison as Solo

Some want SW to be always a space opera (what both side stories are not)

Some want only the side-story forca certain character, but do not want to support a side-story about another character. Which character should get next a movie differs strongly again. Incl which details in those movies should be part of the story.

Some want change, but for some of those only the exact kind of change they aim for and then strongly disapprove if the change involves details other fans asked for, or if the change is varying from their partly rather narrow formulated ones.

Some demand every film has to feel special and think that only more time between the releases will manage that

Some want the movies only at certain times of the year

Some want risk, but what they exactly mean never gets explained with fleshed out examples , and/or what is there to find in the thread-post's descriptions, seems to differ again

Some think too many got released in a too short of a time-frame (oversaturate)

 

SW7 + SW8:

interaction not long enough between the 3 leads, no developing friendship or...

Most importantly Rey in SW8 no development (in opposition to the feeling that the studio think the resistance is based on anti-female)

Inn and Poe neither get developed

Kylo no real development neither, only a new status (supreme leader exchange)

Some Hoping for surviving Luke, or ghost Luke, or.. whatever they might come up with to get him back for showing more of him ~ back to his old self

story takes place within 'felt like 2 days' (= SW 8 and Solo)

No goal to see for the next one (not sure if it was meant in that way as I haven't seen SW8)

The hope nothing similar as the Casino scene will happen (off beat?)

~ Really, a death star again?

Fandom feels it gets either ignored or misunderstood

 

Unique or interesting/better phrased than I am able to:

@Mekanos asked

@Chewy

@Barnack (a bit out of context, still usable for here I think):

@DeeCee

@titanic2187

 

trades:

Deadline:

Mendelson:

( btw Mendelson is know for:

- having an unusual kind of black/bleak humour/sarcasm, be aware, he doesn't always get how others, not used to him, might interpret his wordings.

- He isn't good with OS/China

- not a fan of the SH genre)

 

 

Did I miss something?

 

I tried to compile all sides, no matter what I think about the movie

 

 

[Pure Spirit]

2 hours ago, Nova said:

Take away the "TLJ is to blame for this movie bombing" talk and you'd probably be under 100 pages. 

I learned that TLJ is so polarizing in this thread people can't even agree if it's polarizing.

[Barnack]

18 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

LOL, why did they think Roseanne would have a long run? She was bound to say something damaging, isn't that the whole point of her fame?

Not sure why you assume they didn't thought it was likely, the speed they reacted tend to show that they had a plan in place because they expected it would happen, would not even surprise me if they had contractual clause about it.

 

It is all just a conspiracy and spin to hide the Solo breakdown:

“Disney (NYSE:DIS) shares are down 2.6% after ABC announces an abrupt cancellation of hit show Roseanne, a reaction to a racist tweet the show's star posted earlier.”

Edited May 29, 2018 by Barnack

[terrestrial]

7 minutes ago, FilmBuff said:

It was an interesting experience.

 

And might be a nice summery for ppl not having the time, interest,.... to read the full thread

 

Or what else did you mean by your response?

 

[That One Girl]

We're about to pass Infinity War weekend's page count boyssssssss

[terrestrial]

2 minutes ago, That One Guy said:

We're about to pass Infinity War weekend's page count boyssssssss

... and girlsssss

[Pure Spirit]

49 minutes ago, Deathlife said:

She probably will.

 

The one thing Trump's presidency has brought with it is the normalisation of bigotry. I've never in my life seen so many people attempt to rationalise hatred as I do nowadays 

 

Lots of bigots and racists fancy themselves as conservatives in today's climate and Roseanne definitely falls in line with them.

As much fun as it is to talk the the sheer, unbridled, unprecedented, unspeakable racism that is mocking a politician's looks by comparing them to a primate, can we not? Thanks! Our orange orangutan-in-chief gets enough coverage elsewhere. Thanks.

 

[TalismanRing]

9 minutes ago, That One Guy said:

We're about to pass Infinity War weekend's page count boyssssssss

Lives up to the old news saying

 

If it Bleeds It Leads

[terrestrial]

12 minutes ago, Barnack said:

Not sure why you assume they didn't thought it was likely, the speed they reacted tend to show that they had a plan in place because they expected it would happen, would not even surprise me if they had contractual clause about it.

 

It is all just a conspiracy and spin to hide the Solo breakdown:

“Disney (NYSE:DIS) shares are down 2.6% after ABC announces an abrupt cancellation of hit show Roseanne, a reaction to a racist tweet the show's star posted earlier.”

@DEADLINE 14 Min.Vor 14 Minuten

‘Roseanne’ Cancellation Dings Disney Stock In Downbeat Wall Street Session http://deadline.com/2018/05/roseanne-cancellation-dings-disney-stock-downbeat-wall-street-session-1202399456/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter …

[poweranimals]

16 minutes ago, That One Guy said:

We're about to pass Infinity War weekend's page count boyssssssss

And will probably end up with 10% of its box office.

[CoolioD1]

6 minutes ago, terrestrial said:

@DEADLINE 14 Min.Vor 14 Minuten

‘Roseanne’ Cancellation Dings Disney Stock In Downbeat Wall Street Session http://deadline.com/2018/05/roseanne-cancellation-dings-disney-stock-downbeat-wall-street-session-1202399456/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter …

grateful i'm alive to see the year where Disney finally shuts down for good. 🙏🙏🙏

[MovieMan89]

1 minute ago, CoolioD1 said:

grateful i'm alive to see the year where Disney finally shuts down for good. 🙏🙏🙏

Lol, this has to legitimately be the worst last few days the Mouse has had in ages. 

 

Elastigirl to the rescue. 

Edited May 29, 2018 by MovieMan89

[terrestrial]

That will be my last post about thr Roseanne thing (too OT probably)

 

 @DEADLINE 6 Min.Vor 6 Minuten

Viacom’s cable networks Paramount Network, TV Land, and CMT will be pulling #Roseanne from their respective schedules as of tomorrow

 

[Pure Spirit]

9 minutes ago, terrestrial said:

@DEADLINE 14 Min.Vor 14 Minuten

‘Roseanne’ Cancellation Dings Disney Stock In Downbeat Wall Street Session http://deadline.com/2018/05/roseanne-cancellation-dings-disney-stock-downbeat-wall-street-session-1202399456/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter …

That tweet cost $3.7B to send. Wowza.