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[FantasticBeasts]

At the same time though, I don't get why you would be annoyed by superheroe films doing well. I can't think of a more immature thing to say. Just ignore them If you aren't intrested.

[Thrylos 7]

3 minutes ago, Avatree said:

Okay? Well they do look the same. The same looking blokes behaving in the same way fighting some dull CGI mess.

Every big blockbuster is full of cgi “mess” and has been for decades. What is dull is an opinion and the worldwide audiences don’t agree with you.

[Jake Gittes]

7 minutes ago, Rebeccas said:

Unless you're talking about post-modern/revisionist Westerns like No Country For Old Men or Assassination of Jesse James etc which completely do not follow any conventions and are very arthouse, I think that genre has pretty standard hero vs. villain tropes with some kind of gunfight showdown often with some kind of revenge aspect as opposed to a CGI battle in SH movies.

 

The bigger problem is Westerns used to be a very kid/youth friendly genre and now they're mostly seen as stuff your grandpa would watch unless its a Tarantino or Coen brothers auteur film.

I'd say revenge is already more interesting cause it means personal stakes and potential darkness in your protagonist. If superhero movies ever visit that territory at all, in most cases they follow the opposite (and more boring) trajectory, with arrogant protagonists learning their lesson and becoming more safely likable. 

 

I'm not saying westerns aren't beholden to conventions but I find their conventions are more flexible from a storytelling standpoint. Actually those of superhero movies could be too but, again, when practically every single one has a nine-figure budget and/or is expected to launch/continue a franchise, that flexibility gets thrown out the window. 

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[Ledmonkey96]

5 minutes ago, Avatree said:

Okay? Well they do look the same. The same looking blokes behaving in the same way fighting some dull CGI mess.

Tbf all action movies are the same, James Bond is indistinguishable from the Bourne series or Mission impossible.

[Rebeccas]

7 minutes ago, Avatree said:

Okay? Well they do look the same. The same looking blokes behaving in the same way fighting some dull CGI mess.

nice warcraft banner tho

[Jake Gittes]

6 minutes ago, FantasticBeasts said:

At the same time though, I don't get why you would be annoyed by superheroe films doing well. I can't think of a more immature thing to say. Just ignore them If you aren't intrested.

Not necessarily annoyed but their dominance in pop culture gets tiring. Hard to ignore something so relentlessly, well... present. 

[Rebeccas]

Just now, Jake Gittes said:

Not necessarily annoyed but their dominance in pop culture gets tiring. Hard to ignore something so relentlessly, well... present. 

But don't you get to feel edgy by not liking them? what else would you have to rebel against otherwise!

[jedijake]

People are saying that I2's massive success means that TLK is going to be massive as well. Well duh, of course it is. However, I think that the success of I2 is more indicative of what TS4 will do. I'm guessing that TS4 will have a great shot at $500 million if it's a good story. That said, I don't think that LK will make it as far as $700 million. $600's yes, but not $700 million. (that's domestic)

[FantasticBeasts]

1 minute ago, Jake Gittes said:

Not necessarily annoyed but their dominance in pop culture gets tiring. Hard to ignore something so relentlessly, well... present. 

I kinda get it to but it's a pretty harmless thing in every aspect. It's like people getting mad at Illumination. Like just chill a bit...

[FantasticBeasts]

2 minutes ago, Rebeccas said:

But don't you get to feel edgy by not liking them? what else would you have to rebel against otherwise!

Tragic comment. Lol...

[baumer]

 

[Rebeccas]

7 minutes ago, jedijake said:

People are saying that I2's massive success means that TLK is going to be massive as well. Well duh, of course it is. However, I think that the success of I2 is more indicative of what TS4 will do. I'm guessing that TS4 will have a great shot at $500 million if it's a good story. That said, I don't think that LK will make it as far as $700 million. $600's yes, but not $700 million. (that's domestic)

big difference is people were dying for another incredibles movie while TS4 is like "why are they making another one".

[MovieMan89]

Just now, Rebeccas said:

big difference is people were dying for another incredibles movie while TS4 is like "why are they making another one".

I still don't think kids were dying for  I2 anymore than they are  TS4. I2's massive success is a whole ton of factors.  And I do agree it only helps TS4 because the Pixar brand name will be stronger than ever after the quality of Coco and the phenomenal success of I2. If TS4 fails or underperforms, it will have itself to blame. Make a good movie, and it will be big. 

[Jake Gittes]

5 minutes ago, Rebeccas said:

But don't you get to feel edgy by not liking them? what else would you have to rebel against otherwise!

Who are you talking about now? Me? I'm actually already kinda past the age where I got pleasure in feeling edgy. I wanna like stuff. 

[Rebeccas]

14 minutes ago, Jake Gittes said:

I'd say revenge is already more interesting cause it means personal stakes and potential darkness in your protagonist. If superhero movies ever visit that territory at all, in most cases they follow the opposite (and more boring) trajectory, with arrogant protagonists learning their lesson and becoming more safely likable. 

 

I'm not saying westerns aren't beholden to conventions but I find their conventions are more flexible from a storytelling standpoint. Actually those of superhero movies could be too but, again, when practically every single one has a nine-figure budget and/or is expected to launch/continue a franchise, that flexibility gets thrown out the window. 

Sure, that makes for interesting cinema once in a while but I just don't see that type of thing sustaining itself in this day and age. Maybe in the 70s, but again, the whole film industry was truly on the verge of disaster before they went in that direction and the country itself was in dark shit and it was only a decade until Star Wars ultimately changed the landscape again and more permanently.

 

Maybe if Trump really fucks shit up, we'll have a resurgence of 70s-era filmmaking.

[Rebeccas]

2 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said:

I still don't think kids were dying for  I2 anymore than they are  TS4. I2's massive success is a whole ton of factors.  And I do agree it only helps TS4 because the Pixar brand name will be stronger than ever after the quality of Coco and the phenomenal success of I2. If TS4 fails or underperforms, it will have itself to blame. Make a good movie, and it will be big. 

I2's performance seems to be driven by both kids being hyped cause it's a fun superhero movie + college age/adults who truly were hyped af for another Incredibles. Just anecdotally from social media, it felt like The Incredibles 2 announcement was met with a FINALLY YAY response whereas TS4 was like umm okay.

[MovieMan89]

2 minutes ago, Rebeccas said:

I2's performance seems to be driven by both kids being hyped cause it's a fun superhero movie + college age/adults who truly were hyped af for another Incredibles. Just anecdotally from social media, it felt like The Incredibles 2 announcement was met with a FINALLY YAY response whereas TS4 was like umm okay.

Yeah but Dory did just fine without college/adults being truly hyped. TS is timeless, again make a good movie and the target demo will show up in big numbers. 

[Barnack]

1 hour ago, Rebeccas said:

Unless you're talking about post-modern/revisionist Westerns like No Country For Old Men or Assassination of Jesse James etc which completely do not follow any conventions and are very arthouse, I think that genre has pretty standard hero vs. villain tropes with some kind of gunfight showdown often with some kind of revenge aspect as opposed to a CGI battle in SH movies.

 

There was a big amount of white vs black hats stuff, but you also had The Searchers and others from time to time, not that different for SH. It is true that they almost have all the exact set piece third act fight, but it will evolve and have variance. 

 

Black Panther already got quite close, they didn't play it fully but the hero is a dictator from a strange culture that didn't wanted to help everyone ever and so on, could easily took a it is not clear who the villain and the hero was, they feared it and exaggerated stuff to make it easy to digest obviously, but the genre could easily do it soon.

 

 

45 minutes ago, Thrylos 7 said:

comparisons with western and disaster  film is ridiculous and laughable.

Well Western was a giant genre from 20-1930 to around  what the 70,80 at it's peak they were making 3+ of them a week.

 

It was so vast that we got all those subgenre over time:

 

Classical Western
Acid Western
Charro, Cabrito or Chili Westerns
Comedy Western
Contemporary Western
Electric Western
Epic Western
Euro-Western
Fantasy Western
Florida Western
Horror Western
Curry Westerns and Indo Westerns
Martial arts Western (Wuxia Western)
Meat pie Western
Northwestern
Ostern
Pornographic Western
Revisionist Western
Science fiction Western
Space Western
Spaghetti Western
Weird Western

 

And would have been unimaginable to some that it would not have been popular forever. Making prediction if people born in 2030 will be big consumer of what we call SH now or not is a bit delusional on one ability to predict the future imo.

 

People having been drinking Coke and watching baseball for a very long time now, so it is obviously possible, but Coca-Cola always being the best at putting beverage in a bottle and distributing it than anyone else had more chance to stay true and predictable than cultural type products one would love to imagine.

Edited June 19, 2018 by Barnack

[Mekanos]

People are watching TV if they want gritty dramas with morally ambiguous protagonists. No need to spend 15 bucks on a ticket for 2 hours of entertainment, just stream 5 seasons on Netflix for 10 bucks a month.