Death of a Nation | Quality Flix | August 3rd, 2018 | right-wing documentary to release in over 1,000 theaters

[SLAM!]

1 hour ago, dudalb said:

DSouza is a  junior league Monster. Trump is the main monster. D Siouza is just one of his henchman.And everything you s ay about D Souza applies double to Trump.

And I am sick and tired of people who don't want to take sides in this conflict. It's about America becoming a dictatorship or America surviving as a free country.  If yo uwant to reamin netural, I have nothing but contempt to you. That saying "All that is required for the triumph of Evil is for good men to do nothing" applies here.

 

 

Aren't democrats beginning to run on platforms of socialism recently? That wouldn't result in a free country at all, based on what I learned in my class about global capitalism.

 

I think America's political system is much more complicated than 'one side is good and the other side is bad'. People on the right are flawed, but so are people on the left. That's why we need to allow ourselves to learn from each other. Free countries don't remain free by choosing between extremes, but by comprising, and being tolerant of other people's beliefs.

[WrathOfHan]

21 minutes ago, Krissykins said:

I bet this will bomb big time, like $3m and Trump will still tweet that it’s a big hit

On OW or total? Because it's making at least 3x that for its total (unfortunately  )

4 minutes ago, Slambros said:

 

Aren't democrats beginning to run on platforms of socialism recently?

Not really. Despite Bernie's popularity, a lot of the party is still corporate as hell. That's starting to change, but I'd hardly say it's socialism.

[Jay Beezy]

13 minutes ago, Slambros said:

 

Aren't democrats beginning to run on platforms of socialism recently? That wouldn't result in a free country at all, based on what I learned in my class about global capitalism.

 

I think America's political system is much more complicated than 'one side is good and the other side is bad'. People on the right are flawed, but so are people on the left. That's why we need to allow ourselves to learn from each other. Free countries don't remain free by choosing between extremes, but by comprising, and being tolerant of other people's beliefs.

Wouldn't you think a class focused on global capitalism would be biased against socialism?

 

Socialism is not a concept of the devil as the impulsive shitweasels would have you think.

 

WATCH: @Lawrence O'Donnell: "our country wouldn't work without [socialism]...people have to grow up, they have to drop their fear of the word"

Watch the full segment here: https://t.co/PDXZ3LlQel pic.twitter.com/jmkX7MMJAa

— Washington Journal (@cspanwj) July 3, 2018

Edited August 2, 2018 by Jay Beezy

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2 minutes ago, Jay Beezy said:

Wouldn't you think a class focused on global capitalism would be biased against socialism?

 

Socialism is not a concept of the devil as the impulsive shitweasels would have you think.

 

 

When I view the capitalism/socialism debate, I look at it through the eyes of my father, who owns his own small business. And I reflect on tthe fact that, through the American Constitution, my dad has the right to the business he made -- that is his private property. But my father's business wouldn't belong to him under socialism, right? That's a scary thought, because my dad is the one that understands his business, not anyone else.

 

Socialism as something for someone to live by on their own accord? Sure! I call that "good spirited capitalism". And that's about helping people when the person has the freedom to do so -- that's how I want to utilize capitalism when I enter the work force. But to force everyone under a socialist system? That's forcing people to live a certain way, whereas in Capitalism, they can make their own decisions with their lives, their liberty, and their pursuit of happiness.

 

I understand that you are a film enthusiast and that movies have blatantly said 'business people are bad' for many decades and that there was likely some influence there, but I believe that kindness mean more when we aren't under a regime that's forcing us to go out of our way. Let's promote helping each other instead of ordering it. That's why I stand beside Good Spirited Capitalism, not the inaccurate representation that is stuff like crony capitalism.

[DAJK]

Is it just me or should 2 opposing political parties be working together the best aspects of both their ideas to make a country the best it can be? Rather than duking it out and fighting thinking the other is the devil?

 

I mean, the big problem is that the extremists have more power than they ever should. D’Souza is either completely idiotic and stupid, or a genuinely wretched guy. 

[DAR]

1 hour ago, DAR said:

I never knew this movie existed until I saw this thread.   

 

Thanks guys.  Thanks a lot.

That doesn't mean this is a good thing

[filmlover]

1 minute ago, DAR said:

That doesn't mean this is a good thing

The fact that there are people out there who will actually part with the 12 precious and hard-earned dollars they made to see this nonsense is a truly depressing thought.

[Barnack]

17 minutes ago, Slambros said:

But my father's business wouldn't belong to him under socialism, right? That's a scary thought, because my dad is the one that understands his business, not anyone else.

Yes under a pure socialist society, all mean of production of services/goods are owned and state controlled.

 

Under a pure capitalist society, none are.

 

Pretty much no country in the world are either, all in the grey zone between those 2 extreme, often called social/democracies or something, with place Hong-Kong Singapore, Swiss, being the most capitalist (most free entreprise) and Venezuela like the least, the US being right in the middle for a rich place a bit below Canada.

 

The US state (local, state, federal) level is spending around 7 trillion dollar or around $21k by person, in that amount a lot of it goes into making good and service that are financed when not controlled by the state, from health, post, road, school, law enforcement, to tax incentive, etc...

 

Capitalism is far from evil, so does the production of some service by a state govern by the people, they both have strength and better in some aspect and combining them seem the logical way to go.

[DAR]

1 minute ago, filmlover said:

The fact that there are people out there who will actually part with the 12 precious and hard-earned dollars they made to see this nonsense is a truly depressing thought.

Hey Caveat Emptor

[Jay Beezy]

37 minutes ago, DAJK said:

Is it just me or should 2 opposing political parties be working together the best aspects of both their ideas to make a country the best it can be? Rather than duking it out and fighting thinking the other is the devil?

 

I mean, the big problem is that the extremists have more power than they ever should. D’Souza is either completely idiotic and stupid, or a genuinely wretched guy. 

Problem is there are too many people in government who are too advanced in their age to expand their mindset.

[Jay Beezy]

54 minutes ago, Slambros said:

 

When I view the capitalism/socialism debate, I look at it through the eyes of my father, who owns his own small business. And I reflect on tthe fact that, through the American Constitution, my dad has the right to the business he made -- that is his private property. But my father's business wouldn't belong to him under socialism, right? That's a scary thought, because my dad is the one that understands his business, not anyone else.

 

Socialism as something for someone to live by on their own accord? Sure! I call that "good spirited capitalism". And that's about helping people when the person has the freedom to do so -- that's how I want to utilize capitalism when I enter the work force. But to force everyone under a socialist system? That's forcing people to live a certain way, whereas in Capitalism, they can make their own decisions with their lives, their liberty, and their pursuit of happiness.

 

I understand that you are a film enthusiast and that movies have blatantly said 'business people are bad' for many decades and that there was likely some influence there, but I believe that kindness mean more when we aren't under a regime that's forcing us to go out of our way. Let's promote helping each other instead of ordering it. That's why I stand beside Good Spirited Capitalism, not the inaccurate representation that is stuff like crony capitalism.

We're already seeing the negative effects of this capitalist mindset of government. The tax savings that corporations are getting are going to shareholders, not employee/wage growth.

[The Futurist]

The most efficent economy in the world of the last 40 years is Communist.

It manufactures and assembles 75% of the shit you use every day.

It is also taking the lead in the AI race.

[Jay Beezy]

1 minute ago, The Futurist said:

The most efficent economy in the world of the last 40 years is Communist.

It manufactures and assembles 75% of the shit you use every day.

It is also taking the lead in the AI race.

And there’s a trade embargo imminent.

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7 minutes ago, The Futurist said:

The most efficent economy in the world of the last 40 years is Communist.

It manufactures and assembles 75% of the shit you use every day.

It is also taking the lead in the AI race.

 

The working conditions are awful, though. I would take citizens that aren't  miserable over unneeded surplus any day of the week. That's just me.

[RandomCat]

I think I hate myself. Coming to this thread time and time again. Just a reminder that it's very true about birthrates.

[The Futurist]

5 minutes ago, Slambros said:

 

The working conditions are awful, though. I would take citizens that aren't  miserable over unneeded surplus any day of the week. That's just me.

That s exactly something an american or someone from the western world would say.

But chinese people, before western & eastern imported slave shops have known worse :

farming life to barely survive, cultivating rice.

That s probably why One day, americans and europeans will manufacture Chinese I-Phones.

Chinese can endure way more than us.

Edited August 3, 2018 by The Futurist

[Barnack]

53 minutes ago, The Futurist said:

The most efficent economy in the world of the last 40 years is Communist.

It manufactures and assembles 75% of the shit you use every day.

It is also taking the lead in the AI race.

Communist was never implemented at any significant scale in modern history.

 

China was socialist, became state sponsored capitalism and more and more capitalist (a good clue if there is a government it cannot be communist):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

Edited August 3, 2018 by Barnack

[The Futurist]

4 minutes ago, Barnack said:

Communist was never implemented at any significant scale in modern history.

 

China is socialism / state sponsored capitalism (a good clue if there is a government it cannot be communist):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

I don't know the specifcs but they claim they are communist and you won't find a country as pyramidal as China.

The irony is that China is run exactly like our Big Corporations, no wonder they love each other so much and why they are such an effective team.

The West going to China will be Faustian pact that will bite all of us in the ass, just watch, it already has begun.

[Barnack]

1 minute ago, The Futurist said:

I don't know the specifcs but they claim they are communist and you won't find a country as pyramidal as China.

The irony is that China is run exactly like our Big Corporations, no wonder they love each other so much and why they are such an effective team.

The West going to China will be Faustian pact that will bite all of us in the ass, just watch, it already has begun.

Yes never ending in transition system stock in socialism always still claim they are going to be or are communist.

 

It is usually start like this for communism attempt.

 

A certain regime in place.

 

A communist revolution, claiming they are just implementing socialism as a temporary necessary step toward an communist utopia system.

 

Once in power in a socialism system, the state never make the step to destroy itself, destroy class system and power system for communist (that is an anarchist society without anyone in a position of power or a state like we know it) to happen, they always stay in power once they have it.

 

I have no example in mind in which they actually went with it in a modern setting (at a significant scale and not just a city for a couple of month in France or something like that, like la Commune de Paris)

 

[filmlover]

This thread was missing a The Futurist take. Glad that's all cleared up!