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1 hour ago, ElastiRoc said:

I'm gonna agree with Chas about Your Name. Well, sorta. I don't despise it, but I mostly find it just fine and little more. There are some cute scenes, some really good background animation, and the twist is pretty clever, but the plot resolution is pretty blah, and, as with pretty much all his films, Shinkai leans into melodrama like he's freebasing it. It's better than most of his films, but it's still not very good.

Your Name's plot resolution (especially with everything regarding the shrine in the woods) is pretty steeped in cultural influences though so I guess that's just subjective depending on how it personally resonates with each person. Though you have underlined one of the bigger reasons why a "Hollywoodized" remake would be even more pointless unless they keep the Japanese settings, people and cultural aspects.

 

Your Name though has shown that Shinkai is capable of growing as a storyteller, even if some of his peers are more effective than him (I haven't seen Yonebayashi's works yet, but Hosoda has a better handle on human emotionality and character development than Shinkai for sure). 

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35th - Howl's Moving Castle: 18 Votes, 1 First, 1 Top 5, 2 top 10  379 points

 

Previous List - 33rd

 

 

And it continues with the only Ghibli film worse than Totoro (I promise I start liking things again soon).

 

Both in live action and animation, I have watched many films that are based on books or source materials. Some have been faithful and some have shat upon the original from a great height. In general, being faithful to the original work isn't overly important to me (although there are things like Captain Corelli's Mandolin that can burn in hell), but with Howl, I just hated how much disrespect the film seemed to show the book. 

 

Everything at every turn is 'wrong' and it made me angry to watch. In one of my classes at work I had students read Howl's Moving Castle and then at the end we watched this film as an exercise in comparing different interpretations of a story, and the whole class was just watching it going 'what the fuck?' 'who is that?' why is this happening?'.  I just had issue with every creative decision this film made at every turn.  

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34th - The Prince of Egypt: 19 Votes, 2 First, 1 Top 5, 2 top 10  385 points

 

Previous List - 55th

 

 

 

The first film to receive multiple 1st place votes (and one of only 9 in total)

 

It's rare for a bible based film to be popular with both believers and non-believers, but this one seems to traverse that line really well. It gets away with having the obvious strong religious themes by being entertaining with great songs, and it gets away with subversions to the source material (such as Rameses being a good fun lad I believe), by using that to really emphasis and hammer home the power of the message later in the story. 

 

This is one of Dreamworks' earliest films, and is still among their best and most popular.  

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33rd - The Little Mermaid: 22 Votes, 3 top 10  385 points

 

Previous List - 26th

 

 

One of my go to karaoke numbers that is.

 

The renaissance film that is remembered enough to be remembered as part of the renaissance, but not quite held on the same pedestal as the three that were still to come. 

 

The Little Mermaid is a great film, it is a little raw around the edges from being the potential last breath of a dying studio, but what it achieves is a film that has songs which hold up to this day. A princess who has more to her character than just 'oh please help me handsome stranger' (She can't speak so has to use body language to say it).. and it has a wonderful villain.

 

This film has a strong legacy, and is still eminently rewatchable as I can attest to after having to watch it 5 times in 2 days a couple years back.  

 

 

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32nd - Moana: 23 Votes, 1 top 5, 2 top 10  394 points

 

Previous List - New

 

 

 

My number 4 or 5 film of 2016 period (and yet still only my number 3 animation of that year) 

 

Moana was a wonderful film in a year of wonderful animations. It has possibly Disney's best ever soundtrack from a consistently standpoint (I can't think of too many others with 5 truly great songs), it has brilliant voice performances, and then there is the animation: the water is beautiful, Maui's tattoos are really well done, and it is just so bright and fun to watch. 

 

This film also had a rollercoaster run in the list, it was nowhere for the opening 10 lists or so (including the odd baffling list that had like 40 Disney animations, yet left this one off completely). Then it had a mad strong middle run that saw it threatening the top 10 at one point, before leveling off in 32nd.  

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31st - Mulan: 24 Votes, 2 top 10  395 points

 

Previous List - 22nd

 

 

This was the hill I was prepared to fight @Morieris on if this interpretation of modern princesses went back far enough.

 

You are also welcome for the most infectious song Disney ever wrote. Mulan is another film I totally ignored until my Disney binge of 2013-14, and it is the one I am most disappointed in myself for missing as it is my absolute 4th favourite Disney animation and my clear favourite with a princess lead.

 

I remember watching this film and thinking to myself, "Wait a minute, what the hell were people talking about saying that Anna and Elsa are the first independent princesses that actually do things in their films? Mulan is saving the whole of fucking China!" 

 

I will go as far as to say, if this had been given the Pocahontas release spot, then we would be talking about a big 5 renaissance film list, not just 4. 

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6 minutes ago, chasmmi said:

This film also had a rollercoaster run in the list, it was nowhere for the opening 10 lists or so (including the odd baffling list that had like 40 Disney animations, yet left this one off completely). Then it had a mad strong middle run that saw it threatening the top 10 at one point, before leveling off in 32nd.  

There’s a film like this on the horror countdown. I haven’t done any scoring yet, but I think it only appeared on 2 of the first 10 lists. It probably finished in the upper half 🤔

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30th - Kung Fu Panda: 25 Votes, 2 top 5, 1 top 10  397 points

 

Previous List - 40th

 

 

And the original installment in the best animated trilogy of all time starts off our top 30. 

 

I have already said as much as I can about how good this series is. I am so happy to see this rise in the new list. Just the scene above shows how great this film is, the blend of slapstick, silliness, and yet also a strong reason for existing and great character progression is done really well. 

 

I am so glad to see this series get the respect that it deserves on this list and maybe, just maybe, we'll get a 4th some day.

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I rewatched Moana and it looks gorgeous on a BluRay set up. I was stunned, just four years later it looked better than WIR. Technology is amazing.

 

& yay @ KFP being 30. I don't like the sequels all that much though.

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52 minutes ago, Spidey Freak said:

Okay, KFP is good but it didn't deserve to beat Films #31-35.

 

 

Excuse me??

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Prince Of Egypt is easily the best of today's films, such a great adaptation and great songs. The little Mermaid is quite good, although I wouldn't put it this high. Howl Moana and KFP are just average, and Mulan is mostly bad (that song is nice but outside of that it spends far too long on unfunny jokes about being amongst men).

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6 hours ago, chasmmi said:

And the original installment in the best animated trilogy of all time starts off our top 30. 

 

 

Toy Story says hi.

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Moana has an average plot but the visuals alone make this a deserved spot.

That fucking water!

 

Edit: Lol not Mulan

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22 hours ago, Spidey Freak said:

Your Name's plot resolution (especially with everything regarding the shrine in the woods) is pretty steeped in cultural influences though so I guess that's just subjective depending on how it personally resonates with each person. Though you have underlined one of the bigger reasons why a "Hollywoodized" remake would be even more pointless unless they keep the Japanese settings, people and cultural aspects.

 

There are plenty of films that are steeped in the culture, though. Spirited Away is. The Boy and the Beast is. Paprika is. Your Name isn't particularly unique in that regard, and the cultural aspect of the resolution doesn't make it particularly good. It's ultimately a cute film with a clever premise that's undermined by an overly melodramatic conclusion. 

 

22 hours ago, Spidey Freak said:

 

Your Name though has shown that Shinkai is capable of growing as a storyteller, even if some of his peers are more effective than him (I haven't seen Yonebayashi's works yet, but Hosoda has a better handle on human emotionality and character development than Shinkai for sure). 

Yeah, it's better than most of his films. I'd argue that A Place Promised in Our Early Days is better... and possibly Voices of a Distant Star, but he's still pretty one-note for emotional resonance, even in those. It could be far, far worse, though. Children Who Chase Lost Voices is extremely bad.

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