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[filmnerdjamie]

Just now, grim22 said:

Releasing political movies right after or during elections doesn't seem to work out. Miss Sloane was another big casualty of the 2016 election when people really did not want to watch another thing about politics after that nasty election season.

Releasing it on Election Day was a pompous move on their part.

[Ezen Baklattan]

44 minutes ago, grim22 said:

Releasing political movies right after or during elections doesn't seem to work out. Miss Sloane was another big casualty of the 2016 election when people really did not want to watch another thing about politics after that nasty election season.

At this point Reitman shouldn’t bother unless he’s got Diablo Cody with him. After Up in the Air, he’s pretty much been floundering.

[Barnack]

1 hour ago, Jonwo said:

What’s the budget for Creed II? It’ll likely make its money back from domestic alone, I’m assume it’s being split 50/50 between MGM and Warner Bros. 

 

Im curious with any studio films that has two studios involved how the profits are divided up. 

Almost all movies now have many entity involved splitting profits, it change from movies to movies and often part of a slate type of deal, for example it could be a studio must propose to MGM 4 titles during the year on which they have the right to invest has highly has 25% of the spending (if you want people to take big risk you usually need to let them choose to invest in some safer hit).

 

With 2 major studio sometime it is really clean cut, say Monument Men, cost were 50/50 split almost perfectly, domestic release and domestic revenue with one studio and the rest of the world to the other studio.

 

Robocop was a movie MGM financed with Sony can give you an example:

https://wikileaks.org/sony/docs/03_03/MKTGFIN/Pre Release Memo/SNSITIVE/FY 2014/Robocop mktg pre (3).pdf

 

There is a column called WW (third from the right) where you can see what the scenario would look like if Sony would not have been in a co-production deal that you can compare with the MGM scenario's, you see how much of releasing/production cost MGM pay and how much MGM get from them....

 

 

 

You can read some leaked co-financing contract to have some idea how they divided up money in case like this:

https://wikileaks.org/sony/docs/03_03/RISKMGMT/Margie Salcido/Kate/Acq-to be entered/Columbia -American Hustle- Fully-Executed.pdf

 

Section 7 at the page 19 they go in detail, for an example of a co-production with a non-distributor partner (Annapurna here), you can look in numbers what it look like here:

https://wikileaks.org/sony/docs/03_03/MKTGFIN/Kathy Binder/2014/FY14 Sensitivities/FY14 Sensitivities 2014-04-24.pdf

 

(And monument men an other example just below it)

 

Hustle was: (50/50 Split with Annapurna (50% P&A backstop), U.S. Rights Only, R Rating, 12/13/13 rel. date), heavily financed by international pre-sales.

Monument men was: (50/50 Single Pot w/ Fox - SPE Distributes Domestic;

Edited November 23, 2018 by Barnack

[Zakiyyah6]

Just now, Spagspiria said:

At this point Reitman shouldn’t bother unless he’s got Diablo Cody with him. After Up in the Air, he’s pretty much been floundering.

Reitman's career is on the rocks. Even Tully didn't do well.

[The Futurist]

Starting to think Reitman has some serious dirt on very big people in Hollywood.

He is a fraud.

 

[Ezen Baklattan]

1 minute ago, Zakiyyah6 said:

Reitman's career is on the rocks. Even Tully didn't do well.

Tully was the only film of his last four films that wasn’t a critical dud, but yeah the box office left a lot to be desired. All 5 films he did since UITA combine to be less than half of that (and less than a third of Juno.)

 

What the fuck happened?

[Maxmoser3]

59 minutes ago, filmlover said:

The Front Runner's numbers are beyond embarrassing. Not even gonna make $2M in total.

Minus the VHS quality and the Columbia logo of the trailer it didn’t look that good honestly. 

 

Plus the director had his two-punch last decade with Juno and Up In the Air. It’s time to realize that he’s not his father anyway.

 

Also political films with the exception of horror, action, or something very relevant in our society, no one cares. I mean Gary Hart isn’t an interesting E! True Hollywood Story In The first place.

 

And Hugh Jackman is a mostly hit celeb, but not everything he does is gold and this is one of them. 

[Zakiyyah6]

I like Reitman as a filmmaker. I think he is talented but his projects have either been uninspired mediocrities like Labor Day, Men, Women and Children and from the looks of it, The Front Runner or good movies that nobody wants to watch. 

[YLF]

The front runner looked awful. Hugh Hackman looked like he was wearing a wig that didn’t suit him, too. I had zero interest in seeing that awful looking movie after seeing the trailer.

 

the last two showings at my local AMC last night  0 people bought tickets to go.

[Mr Impossible]

Reviews likely killed it. It's a death sentence in the specialty market. 

[WrathOfHan]

The Front Runner is playing nearby, but I don't feel like paying out of pocket to see it. I have enough movies to use A List on as is.

[YLF]

The favourite was supposed to come out today... but is playing in no theaters nearby. Is it very limited this weekend?

[filmnerdjamie]

The Cinemark multiplex my lovely love wife and I frequent originally had The Front Runner slated for Tuesday night. Tickets were listed online and everything.

 

So when we get there that afternoon to see Fantastic Beasts, Green Book and Widows, it is nowhere to be seen and all traces of it are gone. That's how horrible the film is doing.

[DAJK]

10 minutes ago, YLF said:

The favourite was supposed to come out today... but is playing in no theaters nearby. Is it very limited this weekend?

Ya it's like 4 theatres if I remember correctly

 

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/counts/chart/?yr=2018&wk=47&p=.htm

[cannastop]

Brutal drop for Ralph. Yuck.

[Hades]

Just now, cannastop said:

Brutal drop for Ralph. Yuck.

The forced  Princess stuff is the only reason its making as much as it is...,,,be grateful

[WrathOfHan]

24 minutes ago, filmnerdjamie said:

The Cinemark multiplex my lovely love wife and I frequent originally had The Front Runner slated for Tuesday night. Tickets were listed online and everything.

 

So when we get there that afternoon to see Fantastic Beasts, Green Book and Widows, it is nowhere to be seen and all traces of it are gone. That's how horrible the film is doing.

This happened at my AMC with Billy Lynn, another Sony title, two years ago lmao

[Valonqar]

4 minutes ago, cannastop said:

Brutal drop for Ralph. Yuck.

Aren't Ralph and family movies supposed to have super surge today? Drop was expected, no?

[CaptainJackSparrow]

Wait what’s this about Ralph having a harsh drop? Is that expected?

[cannastop]

1 minute ago, Valonqar said:

Aren't Ralph and family movies supposed to have super surge today? Drop was expected, no?

A drop in the 40s was not expected. Maybe in the mid 30s.