Alli Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 I read today that Depp is definitely out as Jack Sparrow in the Pirates movies. So that ship has sailed Crimes of Grindelwald is a flop in the states. Then there's this troubling article https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/rambling-reporter/why-johnny-depp-was-star-american-film-market-1158525 He used to do studio movies, but nowadays he's starring in indies with directors nobody has heard of. City of Lies, Richard says Goodbye are likely flops. He's not young anymore. It's hard to find a role/franchise like RDJ to save his career. Do you think he can make a box office comeback? He's too talented to go the way of Marlon Brando so soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Last year Mel Gibson filmed in is first studio movie since the production of Edge of Darkness in 2008, Polansky got a big french name to play in is movie this year, a Brian Singer movie just made over 650m WW I imagine he certainly can, specially if nostalgia stay such a high currency over time, Murder on the Orient Express success was not that long ago. Even Bruce Willis could have someform of comeback with Glass and he was into direct to video made by Canadian filmmaker without a wikipedia page affair for a long time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAR Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 I think the best case scenario is lay low for a bit. And then find some Netflix or Amazon series and/or movie where the stakes are low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolioD1 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 tv revivals are big now. time to revive the 21 jump street show i think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alli Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 Just now, CoolioD1 said: tv revivals are big now. time to revive the 21 jump street show i think. Depp is a star too big for tv role. It wouldn't work imo. he needs a good starring role with a good director. maybe that movie Waiting for the Barbarrians could be a turning point. it has a great director apparently. He needs great directors, but will they take the bait considering he's not learning his lines and is using an ear piece to feed him his lines? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 He seems to have gone a bit loopy, I think he is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Alli said: He needs great directors, but will they take the bait considering he's not learning his lines and is using an ear piece to feed him his lines? That sound more of an issue than it is in reality, Hardy was reading is line in Locke and it was one of the good performance of the year and obviously: He did learn line for a good part of is career (is text writing is on co-star like that when coverage was good for it, or giant text put on building and so on), every actor has a method that work for them and not learning line for some is a good way to sound natural and not rehearse, Peci/Deniro had often a no rehearsal rules, some love it, etc.... Some of is co-star on the Pirates shoot didn't even know about it, they thought he was listening to fitting music during is performance. It can close to the door to work with Tarantino or other director that ask of it, but usually director big enough to ask stuff like from stars are the kind stars will make an exception for, not learning your line for some Pirates movies does not mean you would not do it for a great director movie. Edited December 21, 2018 by Barnack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WittyUsername Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Alli said: Depp is a star too big for tv role. It wouldn't work imo. he needs a good starring role with a good director. maybe that movie Waiting for the Barbarrians could be a turning point. it has a great director apparently. He needs great directors, but will they take the bait considering he's not learning his lines and is using an ear piece to feed him his lines? Well, he did voice a character on an episode of Spongebob back in 2009, but that was a one off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alli Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) About tv roles: do these parts really help the A list stars make a comeback at the box office? Nicole Kidman, Amy Adams are still flopping with movies released in theaters. The Mcchaunescence lasted just a little while. A lauded tv role doesn't really help in making a box office comeback Edited December 21, 2018 by Alli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolioD1 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Alli said: About tv roles: do these parts really help the A list stars make a comeback at the box office? Nicole Kidman, Amy Adams are still flopping with movies released in theaters. The Mcchaunescence lasted just a little while. A lauded tv role doesn't really help in making a box office comeback you're overthinking it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementeleus Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Flip it around: if you were a studio, why would you hire Depp? Now or in the future? What's the upside? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alli Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 Just now, Telemachos said: Flip it around: if you were a studio, why would you hire Depp? Now or in the future? What's the upside? well, he made the studios a lot of money in the past. i get it, it's not charity, but it's kinda crazy he has to do these independent movies nowadays. and with no names as directors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolioD1 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 didn't he punch some guy on the crew making that tupac and biggie movie? and that rolling stones profile on him... he's such a fucking weirdo now. if he doesn't curb his behaviour even if he gets some kind of awesome comeback role it'll be shortlived. like mickey rourke. dude burned through his goodwill off the wrestler fast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Telemachos said: Flip it around: if you were a studio, why would you hire Depp? Now or in the future? What's the upside? Could please the director asking for it and international market awareness. Is last movies did Pirates: 622m FB: 444.4m and counting Orient express: 250m Alice: 222m A Paramount type, if he is ready to do it for points..... Or it can be not the studio directly, it can be a Blumhouse horror affair with the star trying to make a comeback doing it for SAG minimum + profits point with an Universal distributing as a slate deal. If you are Disney that last pirates was your last one with him I imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 33 minutes ago, Barnack said: a Brian Singer movie just made over 650m WW Not sure you can call the movie that drove him into pariah status in the first place his "comeback". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Just now, cookie said: Not sure you can call the movie that drove him into pariah status in the first place his "comeback". It was more that is pariah status do not seem to affect the box office what so ever, there is strong sign people do not care that much when the movie work (same goes for the Weinstein kind a like producer on A Star is Born). Same for when Gibson was breaking box office records with is directed movies without any studio wanting to finance or distribute them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementeleus Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Alli said: well, he made the studios a lot of money in the past. i get it, it's not charity, but it's kinda crazy he has to do these independent movies nowadays. and with no names as directors. The past is the past, though. As a studio exec, I'm terrified of anything that's gonna randomly give me horrible publicity on a project. 4 minutes ago, Barnack said: Could please the director asking for it and international market awareness. Is last movies did Pirates: 622m FB: 444.4m and counting Orient express: 250m Alice: 222m A Paramount type, if he is ready to do it for points..... Or it can be not the studio directly, it can be a Blumhouse horror affair with the star trying to make a comeback doing it for SAG minimum + profits point with an Universal distributing as a slate deal. If you are Disney that last pirates was your last one with him I imagine. What director would want to ask for him, knowing full well that your career might get shitcanned because of his actions? And why would Blumhouse want to cast him? They're doing quite well without paying for big-name older stars. If you're Depp's managers, of course you're trying to generate all of these possibilities. But the double-whammy is that he's toxic AND big-name stars are less important than ever when it comes to pushing franchises into big money returns. One thing in Gibson's favor (that Depp doesn't have), is that he could generate his own content, as a producer/writer/director. Edited December 21, 2018 by Telemachos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alli Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share Posted December 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, Barnack said: It was more that is pariah status do not seem to affect the box office what so ever, there is strong sign people do not care that much when the movie work (same goes for the Weinstein kind a like producer on A Star is Born). Same for when Gibson was breaking box office records with is directed movies without any studio wanting to finance or distribute them. I think there's a difference between a director and actors. Actors are more visible. they are the face of the movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Telemachos said: And why would Blumhouse want to cast him? They're doing quite well without paying for big-name older stars. They get big name older star for free, Blumhouse are not paying anyone, Jennifer Lopez/Jamie Lee Curtis worked on scale to have the chance to work with Blum. 2 minutes ago, Telemachos said: What director would want to ask for him, knowing full well that your career might get shitcanned because of his actions? Tim Burton, Verbinski are the 2 obvious, obviously a come back to that level imply that he would have made a demonstration of good on set actions + sobriety before on a significant amount of time on smaller projects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Just now, Alli said: I think there's a difference between a director and actors. Actors are more visible. they are the face of the movie. True (and between director everyone else after that), but Bruce Willis/Gibson both made comeback in front of it also eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...