TalismanRing Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 hour ago, titanic2187 said: Braveheart is far worse movie than Joker, one of the worst Oscar-wining best picture that I ever seen. Probably worse than Shakespeare in Love. It won because of it was in weaker year. Apollo 13 Babe Toy Story A Little Princess Heat Casino Seven Leaving Las Vegas Dead Man Walking Sense & Sensibility 12 Monkeys Before Sunrise Get Shorty The Usual Suspects The American President To Die For 1995 was a rather strong year. Braveheart wasn't even the best Scottish rebellion film that year. It's just another of numerable examples of the best films not only not winning but the best films not even being nominated. Guessing the Oscar nominees is never about guessing the best films. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipickthiswhiterose Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 9 hours ago, RealLyre said: it will still be subjective because people will respond to different movies differently, there are some who think Joker was handled and acted better than You Were Never Really Here or Taxi Driver. It will be experienced subjectively but it can be evaluated objectively. And the more films a person sees, and particularly the more they analyse, the more they can discern between their subjective response and objective quality. I don't enjoy the Godfather in the least. I have no emotional connection to it whatsoever and it does not resonate with me. But that doesn't stop me from acknowledging that it is one of the best films ever made. Does my emotional connection play a part? Yes, I'd always argue it out of an all-time top 10. But not much more than that. And one has the right to argue that Joker was better than Taxi Driver or YWNRH. Though you'd struggle on an acting basis since you'd be comparing it to the same actor working with a superior script in one case, and with one of the universally accepted GOAT performances on the other. I'm not saying you can't do it. But it would be a mission. As for the comment afterwards. Claiming that Joker has better cinematography, score and editing than Parasite or Little Women is simply lol. Little Women is one of the best lit, designed and photographed movies I've seen in years and Parasite is an editing masterpiece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanic2187 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 49 minutes ago, Ipickthiswhiterose said: It will be experienced subjectively but it can be evaluated objectively. And the more films a person sees, and particularly the more they analyse, the more they can discern between their subjective response and objective quality. I don't enjoy the Godfather in the least. I have no emotional connection to it whatsoever and it does not resonate with me. But that doesn't stop me from acknowledging that it is one of the best films ever made. Does my emotional connection play a part? Yes, I'd always argue it out of an all-time top 10. But not much more than that. And one has the right to argue that Joker was better than Taxi Driver or YWNRH. Though you'd struggle on an acting basis since you'd be comparing it to the same actor working with a superior script in one case, and with one of the universally accepted GOAT performances on the other. I'm not saying you can't do it. But it would be a mission. As for the comment afterwards. Claiming that Joker has better cinematography, score and editing than Parasite or Little Women is simply lol. Little Women is one of the best lit, designed and photographed movies I've seen in years and Parasite is an editing masterpiece. if you don't enjoy a certain film, don't pretentiously acknowledge it as your top film. If a film failed your scale of greatness, don't bend it for the sake of comforting the community you are in. Judge a film subjectively with objective parameters. Joker has better editing, score and cinematography than Parasite. I reaffirmed my judgement. And I appreciate the God created me a different left and right brain from you. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanic2187 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 9 hours ago, TalismanRing said: Apollo 13 Babe Toy Story A Little Princess Heat Casino Seven Leaving Las Vegas Dead Man Walking Sense & Sensibility 12 Monkeys Before Sunrise Get Shorty The Usual Suspects The American President To Die For 1995 was a rather strong year. Braveheart wasn't even the best Scottish rebellion film that year. It's just another of numerable examples of the best films not only not winning but the best films not even being nominated. Guessing the Oscar nominees is never about guessing the best films. I was referring to the nominees group of that year. Apollo 13 is the best among all. My 1995's top film was the usual suspect. I wasn't really impressed by Pitt's Seven while 12 Monkeys is my all time favourite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipickthiswhiterose Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, titanic2187 said: if you don't enjoy a certain film, don't pretentiously acknowledge it as your top film. If a film failed your scale of greatness, don't bend it for the sake of comforting the community you are in. Judge a film subjectively with objective parameters. Joker has better editing, score and cinematography than Parasite. I reaffirmed my judgement. And I appreciate the God created me a different left and right brain from you. I mean, this is just incoherent waffle mate, sorry. A film doesn't have to be enjoyed to be good. I'm not bending anything for the sake of any community. "Failed your scale of greatness"....but you've just admitted your only scale of greatness is whether you enjoyed it or not. I'm glad you find greatness in Joker. I'm glad you overlook the very clear faults it has, especially on a narrative level. It still doesn't make it an objectively great, rather than good, film that is immensely derivative of other great films and completely contradicts its own rationale at least twice. Edited December 30, 2019 by Ipickthiswhiterose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanic2187 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ipickthiswhiterose said: I mean, this is just incoherent waffle mate, sorry. A film doesn't have to be enjoyed to be good. I'm not bending anything for the sake of any community. "Failed your scale of greatness"....but you've just admitted your only scale of greatness is whether you enjoyed it or now. I'm glad you find greatness in Joker. I'm glad you overlook the very clear faults it has, especially on a narrative level. It still doesn't make it an objectively great, rather than good, film that is immensely derivative of other great films and completely contradicts its own rationale at least twice. If a film is a technical marvel yet can't keep you enjoyable, it is already a half-failure. Why can't a film achieve both? The revenant is a technical achievement but it bore me to hell, I gave it 5.5 because there were plenty of well-crafted film that keep me entertained. But according to your logic, I should go ahead and acknowledge how great the film was. Sound like a total hypocrite to me. You think people that rate Godfather or Citizen Kane or 8 1/2 as their best film are actually not entertained by the film? Lastly, I didn't overlook the flaw in joker, I just simply didn't agree that they even existed in the first place. There is no contradiction in between, if not, i will be convinced long ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Movie nerd Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Imagine being that delusional and full of yourself to think that your personal opinions are some kind of undeniable facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipickthiswhiterose Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Movie nerd said: Imagine being that delusional and full of yourself to think that your personal opinions are some kind of undeniable facts. Lovely bit of ad hominem. How pleasant. Again, there is difference between objective analysis and personal opinion and sensation. I really can't fathom why this is so difficult to grasp. Especially as I've clearly indicated I'm happy to listen to arguments: if you want to defend the Wayne material that requires outside-film knowledge or the hospital scene that seemingly undermines the notion that the character is a failure who has never been happy or indulged then you are welcome. Equally if you want to explain how I am meant to respond to the final scene or suggest what the film says about what support should have been given to this person with extreme narcissism and psychotic tendencies. Please go ahead. I already think it's a good film, it's not like I couldn't be convinced its a very good film. It's just that those are pretty large issues on top of the film's already accepted borderline-copycat nature. And this literally just started with me asking if there was a chance Joker would be left off the nomination. All I'm doing since then is bolstering my opinion with evidence and analysis where appropriate. Like one does on a discussion forum. Edited December 30, 2019 by Ipickthiswhiterose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmlover Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I think Little Women will get in. It's doing well at the box office (looking to be around $60M by the end of next weekend) and seems like the kind of movie that makes it in thanks to peaking at the right time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FantasticBeasts Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Parasite and Joker should get in. Especially the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmandeep Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Joker should not win Best pic but it should be nominated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nghtvsn Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Parasite Once Upon a Time in Hollywood Marriage Story Joker Jojo Rabbit 1917 The Irishman I think that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolioD1 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) end of the year guess: 1. Parasite 2. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood 3. The Irishman 4. 1917 5. Marriage Story 6. Joker 7. Jojo Rabbit 8. Ford v. Ferrari 9. Little Women one of these could be a "surprise" nominee: 10. The Two Popes 11. Uncut Gems 12. Knives Out 13. The Farewell 14. Bombshell 15. Pain & Glory Edited December 31, 2019 by CoolioD1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorddemaxus Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 So I know that the 2020 season hasn't started yet but Da 5 Blood is getting some great reception from early screenings: https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2019/11/spike-lees-upcoming-film-da-5-bloods-said-to-be-oscar-worthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolioD1 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) would be funny if that became a big thing. that spike lee was given his honorary oscar like 5 years ago probably because they figured he was past it and wouldn't have an opportunity to win one for real and now he's just gonna keep coming back. Edited January 1, 2020 by CoolioD1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmasterclay Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I feel like the Supporting Actor category is getting primed for a surprise, with Hanks, Hopkins, and Foxx all having zippo momentum. Would not be stunned to see Dafoe or Rockwell pop up there. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripe Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 On 12/31/2019 at 4:24 PM, CoolioD1 said: end of the year guess: 1. Parasite 2. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood 3. The Irishman 4. 1917 5. Marriage Story 6. Joker 7. Jojo Rabbit 8. Ford v. Ferrari 9. Little Women one of these could be a "surprise" nominee: 10. The Two Popes 11. Uncut Gems 12. Knives Out 13. The Farewell 14. Bombshell 15. Pain & Glory That's it. Totally agree. Besides the two Netflix films, it would be a great year full of popular choices. 4-5 films would be 100M+ grossers, Parasite is a great foreign hit (30M possible when nominations are announced) and JoJo Rabbit run is solid. No idea if Marriage Story and The Irishman are strong in Netflix or their theatrical run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanic2187 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 I start to think Ford v Ferrari will drop off the list as I still refuse to drop the farewell out of my top 9. It is hard to include ford v ferrari in best picture race when the original screenplay category was packed. Christian bale, the biggest asset for the film is competing in a very competitive and crowded year, which means his snub won't be a total surprise. That would put F v F getting Best Pic nomination without any nomination in major category. i am more keen to include KO in the race due to its lately holiday season breakout and very likely original screenplay + editing nomination 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxOfficeFangrl Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Who knows if this will amount to anything, but interesting... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealLyre Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 so now the race is between 1917, Hollywood and Parasite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
