Which was the biggest movie event (worldwide) of the decade 2010s.

[charlie Jatinder]

3 minutes ago, peludo said:

That is a very interesting data:

IW OS-China: $1.010b

TFA OS-China: $1.007b

 

Just a $3m difference. We could say:

DOM: TFA

China: IW

OS-China: Draw

 

Now we can discuss that IW was bigger in Asia and LA, where prices are lower and it is needed more admissions to make the same amount of money, but since I do not usually see in these forums too much concern about admissions but mainly about money grossed, I think it is fair to make this split.

But then TFA had better rates for Pound, which again, was bigger for TFA.

Also,

2 hours ago, Charlie Jatinder said:

Further, ticket prices are higher where TFA was stronger giving it an edge, otherwise in the number of tickets sold it will be much behind the two Avengers finale. e.g. India sold 18 million tickets for Infinity War but gross was just around $45 million, if tickets were as big as some European country, the gross would have been close to $175 million.

 

And, then again. I am not asking about the box office. That I can check myself, its what you feel, pre-release hype-wise, overall buzz, etc.

[THUNDER BIRD]

Cinematic Event? Has to be Infinity War & EndGame clubbed together. 

 

Star Wars is mostly USA with parts of Europe & Japan, rest are big all over. Also SWFA was mainly nostalgia combined with hype. The Avengers made a splash where it showed what shared cinematic universe could achieve, but Infinity War & EndGame are the pinnacle of it, i mean box office etc are dependent on many things but hype & buzz of both of these are just something else. 

 

The biggest thing in favour of Avengers IW & EG are that it's not just limited to one or two continents, it's a phenomenon shared by whole world almost. There might be a country or two where SWFA had bigger buzz or HPDH2 in some, but taking overall average worldwide hype, it's Infinity War & EndGame.

 

Infinity War had a tagline, "Entire Universe, once & for all". I would say in terms of cinematic event for IW & EG, "Entire world, twice & for both".

Edited March 20, 2019 by THUNDER BIRD

[THUNDER BIRD]

Just now, THUNDER BIRD said:

Cinematic Event? Has to be Infinity War & EndGame clubbed together. 

 

Star Wars is mostly USA with parts of Europe & Japan, rest are big all over. Also SWFA was mainly nostalgia combined with hype. The Avengers made a splash where it showed what shared cinematic universe could achieve, but Infinity War & EndGame are the pinnacle of it, i mean box office etc are dependent on many things but hype & buzz of both of these are just something else. 

 

The biggest thing in favour of Avengers IW & EG are that it's not just limited to one or two continents, it's a phenomenon shared by whole world almost. There might be a country or two where SWFA had bigger buzz or HPDH2 in some, but taking overall average worldwide hype, it's Infinity War & EndGame.

 

Infinity War had a tag line, "Entire Universe, once & for all". I would say in terms of cinematic event for IW & EG, "Entire world, twice & for both".

 

[BadAtGender]

20 hours ago, George Parr said:

That's a bit misleading though, isn't it?

China throws a big wrench into such a comparison.

 

TFA joined Titanic and Avatar as the only movies to top 1b internationally without China. Nothing came close to that mark until Infinity War hit 1b as well. The closest movie would be the last Harry Potter, which stands at right about 900m. Only Frozen at about 825m and The Avengers at about 810m even managed to cross 800m internationally minus China.

 

The emergence of China has a second massiv market next to the domestic one has made quite a few big worldwide hits look bigger internationally than they actually were in most of the world. At this stage it probably makes more sense to split the worldwide intake into three categories: domestic, China, and the remaining international markets. Else you run into a situation where you judge the entire international behaviour just on one market. E.g. The Fate of the Furious looks much bigger than The Last Jedi internationally (1.01b to 712m, it's not really close), suggesting that it was just so much bigger everywhere outside the domestic market. But if you remove China, TLJ was actually bigger in the rest of the world, 670m to 617m or so. China is just too massive a market to properly use the international intake as a whole in a comparison for the general behaviour in the international markets. A large intake in China can make a movie look much bigger internationally, just like a small one can make a movie look smaller compared to one that is pretty similar basically all over the world. That's only fair when judging the worldwide intake, but it can be misleading when one tries to judge the "average" international performance of a movie.

To put it another way, the business TFA did DOM was outsized relative to its OS gross. It did very well (although I think it was weighted more heavily by Europe and Australia), but the OS/DOM ratio was quite low.

 

And there's an open question about how much cultural impact can be attributed to it and how much can be attributed to Star Wars being baked into popular culture for four decades. TFA leaned heavily into nostalgia for the OT.

 

5 hours ago, Barnack said:

North america, I think Awaken had a good edge above everything else, in how long (before and after release), how big the conversation and the media size was, the amount of product placement got ridiculous.

 

Outside going by box office it is really hard to judge the event nature outside your market.

 

Movie annual box office share:

 

Year	Title	WW box office	Movie BO	Share
2009	Avatar	29.4	2.7772	9.45%
2010	Toy Story 3	31.6	1.067	3.38%
2011	Potter	32.6	1.3415	4.12%
2012	Avengers	34.7	1.5188	4.38%
2013	Frozen	35.9	1.2765	3.56%
2014	Transformer	36.4	1.1041	3.03%
2015	Force Awaken	38.4	2.0682	5.39%
2016	Civil War	38.8	1.1533	2.97%
2017	Last Jedi	40.6	1.3325	3.28%
2018	Infinity War	41.7	2.0484	4.91%

 

This is... not a great comparison. The late year releases (Avatar, Frozen, TFA, TLJ) all made significant business in the following year. Avatar was pretty easily the biggest movie WW (and DOM) in 2010, for instance.

 

And I think we were tracking TFA's WW gross compared to JW, and it ended up just short before the new year.

 

 

 

IAC, I'd rank the top 5 as

 

1. Avengers

2. Frozen

3. Furious 7

4. Jurassic World

5. Harry Potter 8

[a2k]

@Charlie Jatinder Why no JW1 in the list?

 

[THUNDER BIRD]

Also want to add that, IW would've had bigge hype then EndGame, i mean there was no way EndGame was matching IW's hype, but..... That Fukcing Ending..!! Totally changed the game, now EndGame arguable not only matched IW, but i believe already surpassed it.

[THUNDER BIRD]

Just now, a2k said:

@Charlie Jatinder Why no JW1 in the list?

 

He does not like it. You don't know how happy & relieved he was that Incredibles 2 & WC stopped JWFK from crossing BP & TLJ. 😁😁

[KP1025]

10 minutes ago, ElsaRoc said:

IAC, I'd rank the top 5 as

 

1. Avengers

2. Frozen

3. Furious 7

4. Jurassic World

5. Harry Potter 8

 

Why F7 over Jurassic World? F7 was only a huge phenomenon in China, whereas Jurassic World was a massive event domestically (broke OW record and ended up 3rd domestic all-time) and big overseas too (minus China, it outgrossed F7).

Edited March 20, 2019 by KP1025

[charlie Jatinder]

6 minutes ago, a2k said:

@Charlie Jatinder Why no JW1 in the list?

 

There is,

Any Other.

 

Besides, JW was more like a surprise performer IMO. It didn't had that hype or was the event which HP:DH2, TFA or A:IW had.

 

[Legion Again]

24 minutes ago, peludo said:

That is a very interesting data:

IW OS-China: $1.010b

TFA OS-China: $1.007b

 

Just a $3m difference. We could say:

DOM: TFA

China: IW

OS-China: Draw

 

Now we can discuss that IW was bigger in Asia and LA, where prices are lower and it is needed more admissions to make the same amount of money, but since I do not usually see in these forums too much concern about admissions but mainly about money grossed, I think it is fair to make this split.

IW OS-C is only low 990s, BOM is off by about 20M on the China figure still with their retroactive ER nonsense.

[fabiopazzo2]

JW an Event? 😅🤣

[peludo]

26 minutes ago, Charlie Jatinder said:

But then TFA had better rates for Pound, which again, was bigger for TFA.

 

Sure, ER is another detail to have into account. But in the same way IW has had 2 years and half of inflation and expansion in certain markets relative to TFA... We can adjust this in so many ways that we would never finish.

[charlie Jatinder]

4 minutes ago, peludo said:

Sure, ER is another detail to have into account. But in the same way IW has had 2 years and half of inflation and expansion in certain markets relative to TFA... We can adjust this in so many ways that we would never finish.

That's why I said, I am not talking about box office alone, but overall hype, reach, buzz, appeal, etc.

[charlie Jatinder]

I combined A:IW & A:EG with just 4 options as I actually intended

 

 

Edited March 20, 2019 by Charlie Jatinder

[setna]

I think TFA for one reason in special; i think Avengers movies are more focused in a smaler segment of ages, rather than TFA who atracted to theatres kids, teenagers, adults and even seniors who went with their kids in 77 to see the first SW film.

 

and Marvel movies, i think are much more focused to people under 30 years old, and talking about an event is important to atract to many different kind of people, so with difference,  TFA.

[a2k]

I would throw TDKR in the mix.

Top 5 of the previous decade, 2000-2009 : HP1, Matrix Reloaded, LOTR3, SM2 and TDK.

[Legion Again]

5 minutes ago, a2k said:

I would throw TDKR in the mix.

Top 5 of the previous decade, 2000-2009 : HP1, Matrix Reloaded, LOTR3, SM2 and TDK.

So tempted to tag Jimbo 

[a2k]

6 minutes ago, Thanos Legion said:

So tempted to tag Jimbo 

 

insane legs do not entail an event 

[baumer]

12 hours ago, Thanos Legion said:

I think Charlie is saying not to weight DOM higher than any other territories for the purposes of this thread, not to weight then at 0.

 

11 hours ago, Charlie Jatinder said:

Naah, I am not excluding.

That answer was just for USA/Canada, excluding rest, that's why I said, not just one country but all.

 

But until the US/can is not part of the world, then you have to take what it did in those markets as being part of the world wide phenom.  And TFA did 1.1 billion outside of that market, just 200 mill less that Avengers, so it's not like it was ignored in the rest of the world.

[Darth Lehnsherr]

It really depends on how much you weigh each region's influence towards determining how much of an event a film was Worldwide. I think Infinity War (and Endgame) has more hype spread out but TFA had much more concentrated hype in certain regions. It's a tad disappointing to me as a Star Wars fan that Episode IX has little to no chance of belonging on this list considering it's supposed to be the finale of the Skywalker Saga.

Edited March 20, 2019 by Darth Lehnsherr