Memorial Weekend Thread: 4-Day Actuals - Aladdin $116.81M | John Wick 3 $30.97M | Avengers Endgame $22.06M | Pokemon DP $17.25M

[Thrylos 7]

3 minutes ago, Thanos Legion said:

Ancillaries roughly (very roughly) cover the non-production costs, for a movie that does healthy business in that regard.

Oh so we go to the magic home market, got it. Bottom line it will not make a profit from its theater run , instead it will actually lose money unless it somehow explodes. Yep, another great 300+ million investment and then the long wait for ancillaries to save it.

[Maximum Avery]

34 minutes ago, Thrylos 7 said:

Aladdin needs quite a big box office gross to turn even a small profit with its almost 200 million budget and what is certainly a substantial marketing budget. Disney spared no expenses marketing this movie so I would say than an 150 million marketing budget is possible so we are already at 300-350 million cost. Needs around 750-800 million to be profitable, not a real cash cow by any means and considering that it is following the flop Dumbo and the other flop Marry Poppins, these Disney remakes/reboots don’t seem like a great idea.

Dont lie! Its 183m budget... the rest of your sentence diminishes accordingly.. bye bye xD 

 

TTVOMJ

[Finnick]

6 minutes ago, Hades said:

A sequel to live action Aladdin will probably do Alice 2 numbers soooo yeahh...Its best its a one off...They should move on to their other animated classics to try and milk from them 

As long as your butt still hurt, I am okay with it. I imagine you crying before bed everyday asking god to destroy Disney and finish its reign. What a poor boy. 

[lorddemaxus]

7 minutes ago, Maximum Avery said:

Nice... 20m more and my 150m 4day will be spot on... ^^ hoping for low 130m 3 day now... 

 

Ps: all the experts in the world couldnt predict this...wild ride thanks to incels(AGAIN), but i followed my heart with endgame and aladdin and said 330m endgame and 150m high end and 130m minimum for aladdin... all i saw was experts experts experts... where is your feeling? Why not reading beetween the lines? How is it pleasurable to always go the safe route? Ps. n2: even with all the presales contributors combined(best prediction method so far), you should practice to learn what is noise.. specialy you internet people 

 

TTVOMJ

130 mil 3 day? what? Even the most optimistic predictions have it at 120 mil 4 day.

[Maximum Avery]

2 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

130 mil 3 day? what? Even the most optimistic predictions have it at 120 mil 4 day.

Lol.. i keep saying it.. I.. as in me... and in a normal world it would have made 200m 4 day 100%.. thats why i lowered it... but 130m is so low for aladdin:/ 

 

TTVOMJ

[AN9815]

Aladdin deserves to make money, Will Smith and Naomi Scott were outstanding in this. Too bad Disney fucked up with marketing and release date, this could have easily been a +300m DOM movie. The budget is $183m, almost same as Maleficent ($180m) and Dumbo ($170m Wtf). Maleficent did $758m WW and was considered a huge success, I agree this movie should have made more (specially when BATB made $1.26b) but it's not going to be the bomb some of us were predicting a few weeks/months ago

[Valonqar]

Aladdin is great fun thanks to the main 3. Even dud of Jafar works as comedy (albeit unintentional but it really doesn't hurt). Naomi is a breakout IMO and MVP and WS returned to form. Mena is much better in the movie and has good chemistry with Naomi and Will though not Naomi's impressive voice range. So I recommend. I liked it almost as much as Cinderella, the only Disney remake that I dig. 

 

what's the talk about the sequel? the movie ended on a very definitive note.

 

[Darth Lehnsherr]

10 minutes ago, Thrylos 7 said:

Oh so we go to the magic home market, got it. Bottom line it will not make a profit from its theater run , instead it will actually lose money unless it somehow explodes. Yep, another great 300+ million investment and then the long wait for ancillaries to save it.

 What @Thanos Legion is saying is if you're gonna add marketing costs to a film's overall costs then you of course need to include all the money it makes outside of its initial theatrical run. 

[Finnick]

Per Deadline,

 

1…Aladdin(Dis) 4,476 theaters, $30.8M Fri, 3-day $84.9M, 4-day, $106.5M, Wk 1

2…John Wick: Chapter 3 (LG) 3,850 theaters, $6.6M Fri (-71%), 3-day $24.2M (-57%), 4-day $30.2M, Total $106.8M/Wk 2

3…Avengers: Endgame(Dis) 3,810 (-410) theaters, $4.1M Fri (-44%), 3-day $16.6M (-44%), 4-day $21.5M, Total $802.8M/Wk 5

4…Pokemon Detective Pikachu (WB/Leg) 3824 (-424) theaters, $3.3M Fri (-48%),  3-day $13.5M (-46%), 4-day $16.1M, Total $118.9M/Wk 3

5…Brightburn (Sony) 2,607 theaters, $3M Fri,  3-day $8M, 4-day $9.7M/Wk 1

6…. Booksmart (UA/ANNP), 2,505 theaters, $2.6M Fri, 3-day $7M, 4-day $8.6M/Wk 1

7…. The Hustle (UA/MGM) 2,377 (-700) theaters, $1M Fri (-41%), 3-day $4.3M (-30%), 4-day $5.5M, Total $31.5M/Wk 3

8…. Dog’s Journey (Uni/Amblin) 3,279 (+12) theaters, $1.1M (-56%) Fri,  3-day $4.1M (-49%), 4-day $5.4M, Total $16.2M/Wk 2

9… The Intruder (Sony) 1,612 (-619) theaters, $625K (-43%), 3-day $2.4M (-23%), 4-day $3.1M, Total $32.8M/Wk 4

10… Long Shot (LG), 1,358 (-752) theaters, $409K Fri (-58%), 3-day $1.6M (-52%), 4-day $2M, Total $29.1M/Wk 4

 

[Taruseth]

10 minutes ago, Finnick said:

Per Deadline,

 

1…Aladdin(Dis) 4,476 theaters, $30.8M Fri, 3-day $84.9M, 4-day, $106.5M, Wk 1

[...]

 

 

I had hopes the Friday number would come in a little higher, because this now would be a worse preview multi than Pirates 5.

[cannastop]

6 hours ago, PNF2187 said:

Onward (which we'll probably get a trailer for in a few weeks)

Probably with Toy Story 4, following Zootopia's schedule.

[MCKillswitch123]

Saw Aladdin last night.

 

I would call it an improvement over BATB, and as a remake, it could've been worse. But it's still a far cry from either Cinderella or The Jungle Book, and hardly what I'd call a good movie overall.

 

Pros:

 

+ Naomi Scott is really good as Jasmine. She captures the original character's spirit while also adding her some weight - including her ambitious of becoming a good kingdom ruler, which is actually interesting and a good layer to the character - and has a very nice singing voice. I liked her a lot, she was the one character who actually got an upgrade compared to the 1992 classic. And I hope she gets benefitted by this role, whitewashing controversy notwithstanding.

 

+ On that note, they try a couple of extra layers to the story that I actually like, even if they are more nitpicky pros than anything. But yeah, if you're doing a remake to something that was already great to begin with, trying to fix little problems is trying something good to begin with and I'm more than okay with the layers they added. Not something BATB did very well, apart from a much more interesting exploration of Belle's relationship with her father.

 

+ Will Smith as the Genie, while not exactly anywhere near as good as Robin Williams, isn't really trying to be either and that's fine. He goes off and does his own thing. And while his own thing is sometimes bogged down by awkward jokes and bad CGI (yeah, Blue Willie is just as bad in the movie as it is in the trailer), he still brings his charm and his smoothness to the role in a way that stands out just fine. A charismatic, charming new take on something that was always going to be hard to top. Fine, I guess.

 

+ Mena Messoud was good casting, both look and acting-wise, for the main part. I found it cool that he brought Aladdin's awkwardly smart charms to life solidly. He was in no way better or more charismatic and likeable than the animated character, but at least he didn't bother me either (unlike Emma Watson did when she played Belle in the blandest, most uncharismatic way possible; and this is coming from someone who likes her as an actress).

 

+ The end credits are fun. Yup, the end credits. That's a pro here.

 

+ And song-wise, this is a million times better than BATB was. Even though I really only liked two songs, those being the songs that I sung the praises of in the Aladdin thread: Speechless, which is basically this movie's version of Evermore but way more impactful and less forgettable; and Friend Like Me, which is done in a really fun way that, similarly to the Genie, homages the original version without killing its charm and does its own thing without crossing the line. Prince Ali sounds a little better in the movie than just on audio too, but that's because the instrumental part - at least at the beginning - is actually quite bold and strong, and one could argue an improvement over the orchestration of the original song...... but then Willie starts singing it and it's just a much blander version of the same song. Which is a perfect segway for....

 

Cons:

 

- Narratively, this tries to swap the order of some reveals and things that happen. It's fine that you're trying that with a remake, bbbbbbut it was short-sighted here. Because the changes done to the story degrade it rather than improve it. They're done basically for the effect of keeping surprises closer to heart, but at the same time, it really takes away some of the weight that the original version had when it tried the same scenes. I didn't like them.

 

- Jafar. WOOOF. I'll give them credit as one of those extra layers I mentioned as pros was related to Jafar, but my God, was he a bland, uncharismatic, uninteresting, boring ass, horribly casted villain with absolutely no charm whatsoever. Give me Luke Evans' Gaston over this piece of shit anyday of the week, and that's saying something, since Luke Evans' Gaston was the blandest version of that character that Disney could've possibly come up with.

 

- The script. The movie is trying to be comedy, and it's not a very funny one. The characterizations are basically the same as the original film with a few extra things, and the extra things are cool, but again, apart from the characters that I mentioned up top, no one is really given much of interesting to be or do at all. And the story itself is compacted in a bizarre way, which is extra weird since the movie is basically half an hour longer than the original.

 

- The CGI. It looked terrible. On the Genie, on Iago, on Abu, on the Cave of Wonders...... it looked just bad all over the place. Maybe not BATB bad (holy crap, that was some nightmarish CG work on that movie), but certainly bad.

 

- The technical design of the film. BATB suffered a little bit from somewhat desaturated color schemes, but it still mostly resembled the 1991 classic, and one of the praise-worthy aspects of that remake was the fact that it actually got the set and costume design correctly. And while it looked very much identical to the animated version, I feel like getting those technical elements right in live-action stands out more, since animation will always have the advantage of being more luscious and eye-popping than reality. The vividness of the set and costume design of BATB, therefore, was one of that movie's few bright lights. Here, in Aladdin, the movie looks more like a porn parody of Aladdin rather than an actually believable take on Agrabah and its citizens. The sets look like fake movie sets, the costume design is kinda awkward and even ugly in a lot of ways, the movie looks painfully desaturated and the colors do not pop out at all, with the exception of a few scenes. An Aladdin remake with no colors is like a Jaws remake with no sharks: the soul of the movie is gone right there.

 

- The majority of the songs. Again, it never gets to the lows of BATB, but it's basically just a blander, uncharming and padded version of the original soundtrack. There are points in which I'm like: "wow, the instrumentals might even be a little cooler and bolder than the ones from 1992" and then the song loses me from the moment the lyrics begin (I mentioned Prince Ali as the prime example of this). Friend Like Me and Speechless being the exceptions all the way through, and only the former is a remade song from the original anyway.

 

- And on the Prince Ali note, the spectacle of the movie is completely dwarfed by the 1992 movie. This is a Guy Ritchie movie, and the things you assume a Guy Ritchie movie will do well - the visual style, and the action - are actually really bland and downplayed compared to the original. The Cave of Wonders stuff is just the exact same scene as in the original. Prince Ali is nothing like the animated version, and that's just not on the singing. A Whole New World - both the song and the scene itself - despite having good singing by the actors, is also booooooooooooooring, lyrically awkward compared to the song's pace, and.... feels so nothing next to how energic, romantic and powerful the original version was. But the biggest culprit of this is the third act/climax. Do you remember the incredible spectacle of the third act of Aladdin, with Jafar becoming an unstoppable sorcerer, turning into a giant snake, swords rain from above, all of Aladdin's friends are reduced to metaphorical rubble, Jasmine trapped in a giant hourglass, the dark red sky with lightning coming from above matching perfectly with the gold and orange tones of the Palace and the brutality and emergency of the situation? Aladdin literally surfing a giant diamond as he dodged Snakafar's bites and stabbed him in his back? The Genie cheering on Al for the brief moments of comic relief? And the ultimate twist of fate, with Jafar's own power greed becoming his ultimate downfall as he turns into a genie himself and gets trapped in a lamp as a consequence? Do you remember all of that??? Well, prepare to be incredibly disappointed by how terrible this is by comparison.

 

So yeah. I think it's better than BATB, because it brings more improvements + charmingly unique takes on what was done before, as well as it has much better casting (and I like the BATB cast a lot..... on paper, because the casting for the characters themselves was mostly poor), much better songs, and is just more investing overall. The movie takes less charm out of the original than BATB did. BATB has the technical advantage, and that's it. I guess it's slightly more narratively cohesive too since it stays far closer to the original's structure, but I will still say that Aladdin's narrative changes - even the ones that didn't quite work - were at least attempts at differentiation that still mostly knew to stay within the line of reason, unlike the Alice and Maleficent way of just crossing that line into becoming different things altogether. That being said, I still don't think it's a good movie, and as a remake, it's mediocre and I would still handily recommend the original over it. But it was a lot better than I thought it would be...... so, yay? I guess?

 

1. The Jungle Book
2. Cinderella
3. Aladdin
4. Beauty And The Beast
5. Alice In Wonderland
6. Maleficent

(haven't seen Dumbo yet)

Edited May 25, 2019 by MCKillswitch123

[That One Girl]

Come on guys, let’s go see Booksmart multiple times this weekend so we can get it over Aladdin.  Already planning on going for round 2 on Sunday

[Tentatek]

Aladdin:

 

Not biased here. Aladdin is one my favorite animations (Along with The Little Mermaid, Spirited Away, Paprika and Fooly Cooly).

 

The fact that I saw this opening night. I didn’t even see Pikachu opening night 🙃

 

The remake is a soulless cash grab I can’t.

 

I can see how it’s appealing to some people. If you stan One Direction, BTS or those awful Korean k pop groups you’ll love this movie.

 

It is an equivalent to a zero talent singer dancing around with tons of effects LIP SYNCING to awful songs they didn’t even write themselves.

 

Where’s the talent???? Where’s the artistry the original had? Where is it??? I can’t find it. 

 

 

Edited May 25, 2019 by Tentatek

[TMP]

These Disney remakes are the new Transformers films; critics don't like them but audiences eat them up

[AJG]

1 minute ago, TMP said:

These Disney remakes are the new Transformers films; critics don't like them but audiences eat them up

 

As far I see; critics are just 'meh' on them.

[That One Girl]

The good ones are Pete’s Dragon, Jungle Book, Dumbo, and Cinderella.  If we’re counting Christopher Robin then add that in here too (I don’t personally count it though)

 

The bad ones are Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, Alice in Wonderland, Alice 2, and Maleficent

[TMP]

3 minutes ago, That One Guy said:

The good ones are ... Dumbo

lol

[Jake Gittes]

I can't believe I'm about to say this but at least the Transformers films were made by a fucking madman who you couldn't mistake for anyone else.

 

This is what Disney has wrought. I'm defending Michael Bay

Edited May 25, 2019 by Jake Gittes

[setna]

What means TTVOMJ ?

 

i´m lost with this...

 

And , what happened with Telemachos?

 

i ´ve also lost this....

Edited May 25, 2019 by setna