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[TServo2049]

13 minutes ago, cannastop said:

Man I dunno if Disney deliberately drew inspiration or took specific imagery from Tezuka's Kimba. I mean, Kimba's story sometimes involves humans (from what I understand), and The Lion King doesn't.

Art takes inspiration from past art all the time. I don’t think they maliciously set out to plagiarize Kimba any more than James Cameron maliciously set out to plagiarize Harlan Ellison. If they had just admitted whether it was an inspiration during development, instead of feigning ignorance, there would be no controversy (other than over the claim that it was “original” - though honestly, if a genre pastiche like Star Wars or Indiana Jones could be considered “original” then so can this. George Lucas literally did plagiarize a synopsis of The Hidden Fortress from a film book for an early story treatment of Star Wars, just replacing names and places and things like that, but the final film is not 1:1 and he admitted his inspiration so nobody cares.)

Edited July 19, 2019 by TServo2049

[cannastop]

Just now, Mekanos said:

Didn’t @MovieMan89 say this would do 400-450 DOM total?

lol

[cannastop]

5 minutes ago, TServo2049 said:

If they had just admitted whether it was an inspiration during development, instead of feigning ignorance, there would be no controversy

Yeah the two directors were probably lying. Osamu Tezuka is a legend in manga and animation.

 

Two story artists, Tom Sito and Mark Kausler (who were both a bit older than the two directors) said they knew about Tezuka's Kimba and said they assumed everyone else did too. But the most common stated influence in the studio was Bambi, according to them.

 

The Terminator comparison is not a good look because later editions of that movie were changed to credit Harlan Ellison.

Edited July 19, 2019 by cannastop

[Krissykins]

Halloween Kills and Halloween Ends!!! 

[TwoMisfits]

14 minutes ago, FlashMaster659 said:

ComScore/Screen Engine PostTrak numbers from last night are 4 stars for all audiences with parents liking it more than kids under 12, 4 1/2 to 3 1/2 stars. Females watched more than men, 56% to 44%. Same percents for moms vs. fathers in terms of audience make-up. Females over 25 are the biggest quad at 29%, females under 25 at 27% with males under/over 25 at 22% each.

That's an interesting under 12 kid score, especially considering that was the uber-fan opening night...that might be a huge player in legs, b/c if kids don't like it, families won't bother seeing it...

[TalismanRing]

Just now, cannastop said:

Do women watch more movies than men?

According to the  MPAA it's split pretty much according to population % in the US 

 

W/M 51/49.  Men buy more tickets though 47/53

Women though tend to have a greater % for animated films and these Disney re-makes

[john2000]

2 minutes ago, TwoMisfits said:

That's an interesting under 12 kid score, especially considering that was the uber-fan opening night...that might be a huge player in legs, b/c if kids don't like it, families won't bother seeing it...

kids didnt like it as much, that doesnt mean that they didnt liked it, however you have a fair point here, we will see if it will have an impact

[Krissykins]

Just now, TalismanRing said:

According to the  MPAA it's split pretty much according to population % in the US 

 

W/M 51/49.  Men buy more tickets though 47/53

Women though tend to have a greater % for animated films and these Disney re-makes

Single moms forced to go with their children 

[ban1o]

It's weird that the names Kimba and Simba are so similar when Simba is swahili for Lion. Did Tezuka get the name Kimba  from Simba and just change the S to an K lol? 

[fabiopazzo2]

27 minutes ago, The Panda said:

Don’t worry guys.  The Lion King (2019) will start crumbling soon, it has toxic WoM.

If BATB did well why not The lion king?

[Legion Again]

Highest OWs:

1	Avengers: Endgame	BV	$357,115,007	41.9%	4,662	$76,601	$853,017,193	4/26/2019
2	Avengers: Infinity War	BV	$257,698,183	38.0%	4,474	$57,599	$678,815,482	4/27/2018
3	Star Wars: The Force Awakens	BV	$247,966,675	26.5%	4,134	$59,982	$936,662,225	12/18/2015
4	Star Wars: The Last Jedi	BV	$220,009,584	35.5%	4,232	$51,987	$620,181,382	12/15/2017
5	Jurassic World	Uni.	$208,806,270	32.0%	4,274	$48,855	$652,270,625	6/12/2015

 

Easy top 5 for TLK.    

 

Adjusted: 

1	Avengers: Endgame	BV	$361,078,500	41.9%	4,662	$77,451	$862,484,600	4/26/2019
2	Star Wars: The Force Awakens	BV	$259,652,500	26.4%	4,134	$62,809	$984,928,500	12/18/2015
3	Avengers: Infinity War	BV	$250,280,400	37.9%	4,474	$55,941	$659,743,800	4/27/2018
4	Marvel's The Avengers	BV	$232,729,900	33.2%	4,349	$53,513	$700,387,900	5/4/2012
5	Jurassic World	Uni.	$230,572,700	32.0%	4,274	$53,948	$720,138,200	6/12/2015
6	Star Wars: The Last Jedi	BV	$218,332,000	35.5%	4,232	$51,591	$615,785,700	12/15/2017
7	Avengers: Age of Ultron	BV	$202,378,600	41.5%	4,276	$47,329	$487,630,200	5/1/2015

 

Top 5 may be tough.     

 

Unadjusted Disney will move up to 12 of top 13 OWs. MCU down to 5/10, 7/13.

 

[TServo2049]

6 minutes ago, cannastop said:

The Terminator comparison is not a good look because later editions of that movie were changed to credit Harlan Ellison.

IMO it actually is, because Cameron initially denied it and was sued. IIRC they also dragged their feet on inserting Ellison’s credit to his satisfaction, and I think it wasn’t until 1991 that they finally put that big-ass acknowledgment right before the end credits.

Edited July 19, 2019 by TServo2049

[TwoMisfits]

Just now, john2000 said:

kids didnt like it as much, that doesnt mean that they didnt liked it, however you have a fair point here, we will see if it will have an impact

Kids don't tend to like anything that reminds them of "learning" - (according to my kids), that's boring...

 

The realism and what some have termed "nature documentary" look could actually backfire in the under 12s...and leave this movie as a parent-pull movie...

[cannastop]

Just now, TServo2049 said:

IMO it actually is, because Cameron initially denied it and was sued. IIRC they also dragged their feet on inserting Ellison’s credit to his satisfaction, and I think it wasn’t until 1991 that they put a big-ass acknowledgment right before the end credits.

Definitely not a good look for Disney I mean.

[Krissykins]

Just realised Annabelle and Midsommar lost the most cinemas to make room for  this mess 🙄

[ban1o]

Just now, TwoMisfits said:

Kids don't tend to like anything that reminds them of "learning" - (according to my kids), that's boring...

 

The realism and what some have termed "nature documentary" look could actually backfire in the under 12s...and leave this movie as a parent-pull movie...

yeah I thought something similar when I watched it tbh. 

[excel1]

2 minutes ago, Thanos Legion said:

Highest OWs:

1	Avengers: Endgame	BV	$357,115,007	41.9%	4,662	$76,601	$853,017,193	4/26/2019
2	Avengers: Infinity War	BV	$257,698,183	38.0%	4,474	$57,599	$678,815,482	4/27/2018
3	Star Wars: The Force Awakens	BV	$247,966,675	26.5%	4,134	$59,982	$936,662,225	12/18/2015
4	Star Wars: The Last Jedi	BV	$220,009,584	35.5%	4,232	$51,987	$620,181,382	12/15/2017
5	Jurassic World	Uni.	$208,806,270	32.0%	4,274	$48,855	$652,270,625	6/12/2015

 

Easy top 5 for TLK.    

 

Adjusted: 

1	Avengers: Endgame	BV	$361,078,500	41.9%	4,662	$77,451	$862,484,600	4/26/2019
2	Star Wars: The Force Awakens	BV	$259,652,500	26.4%	4,134	$62,809	$984,928,500	12/18/2015
3	Avengers: Infinity War	BV	$250,280,400	37.9%	4,474	$55,941	$659,743,800	4/27/2018
4	Marvel's The Avengers	BV	$232,729,900	33.2%	4,349	$53,513	$700,387,900	5/4/2012
5	Jurassic World	Uni.	$230,572,700	32.0%	4,274	$53,948	$720,138,200	6/12/2015
6	Star Wars: The Last Jedi	BV	$218,332,000	35.5%	4,232	$51,591	$615,785,700	12/15/2017
7	Avengers: Age of Ultron	BV	$202,378,600	41.5%	4,276	$47,329	$487,630,200	5/1/2015

 

Top 5 may be tough.     

 

Unadjusted Disney will move up to 12 of top 13 OWs. MCU down to 5/10, 7/13.

 

 

Every time I see this, I cringe MOJO's failure to account for 3D share is crazy

[BadAtGender]

14 minutes ago, cannastop said:

Man I dunno if Disney deliberately drew inspiration or took specific imagery from Tezuka's Kimba. I mean, Kimba's story sometimes involves humans (from what I understand), and The Lion King doesn't.

IIRC, Mathew Broderick thought he was playing Kimba at first. 

 

The presence or lack of specific elements doesn't mean there wasn't something hinky going on. TLK was a single movie, while Kimba had three manga volumes and 52 TV eps. 

 

Plus another 52 that aired in 89-90 in Japan. While it was deffo a different time for anime exposure and knowledge, people in the industry would be more likely to be familiar. And anime was already getting hugely popular. 95 was the same year as the Ghost in the Shell movie. 

[john2000]

1 minute ago, TwoMisfits said:

Kids don't tend to like anything that reminds them of "learning" - (according to my kids), that's boring...

 

The realism and what some have termed "nature documentary" look could actually backfire in the under 12s...and leave this movie as a parent-pull movie...

i didnt say that you will be wrong,

[cannastop]

3 minutes ago, fabiopazzo2 said:

If BATB did well why not The lion king?

 

How Toxic WOM tastes.