TigerPaw Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, charlie Jatinder said: It can be argued that TENET released in better market condition than Black Widow minus USA and LATAM. Europe did great numbers. Taiwan, SEA were open. Even Canada was in better condition. Korea same story as BW, with market being robust prior to both film's release, and new COVID wave hitting in weekend films released. Should have released in May 2021, without PA. @TigerPaw Also Tenet did pretty okay in China; while piracy of BW is already out now before a release date is confirmed… I knew the May date was better and I said it a lot of times in this forum; at least in terms of gross on a worldwide basis… @Fullbusteryour thoughts? Edited July 9, 2021 by TigerPaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john2000 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 1 hour ago, charlie Jatinder said: It can be argued that TENET released in better market condition than Black Widow minus USA and LATAM. Europe did great numbers. Taiwan, SEA were open. Even Canada was in better condition. Korea same story as BW, with market being robust prior to both film's release, and new COVID wave hitting in weekend films released. Should have released in May 2021, without PA. @TigerPaw so can black widow hit 600 mill ? ww ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerPaw Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 1 hour ago, john2000 said: so can black widow hit 600 mill ? ww ? I think target is 500 first; China is really a big IF. 1)When (or whether) will it be released 2) Whether there will be much competition on the date 3) How many people waited to watch it in theaters (or willing to rewatch after watching a pirated copy) To be fair - point 2 is key; if it was released in a date where this isn't much competition for 2 weeks or so, people who are bored may (re)watch it. Estimated gross from other countries will be clearer when the first weekend figure comes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted July 9, 2021 Author Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) $500M shall be done, unless Covid has another wave in more markets. Don't think China will do much. Delayed release in SEA will be waste mostly. So $600m is tough. May be Disney should just not release it in China. But even dead MCU film in China will do $50-60M, so I guess can do it for bragging rights. Edited July 9, 2021 by charlie Jatinder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerPaw Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said: $500M shall be done, unless Covid has another wave in more markets. Don't think China will do much. Delayed release in SEA will be waste mostly. So $600m is tough. May be Disney should just not release it in China. But even dead MCU film in China will do $50-60M, so I guess can do it for bragging rights. To be fair; $530m excluding China sounds better than $580m including China - if you get what I mean. Haha. For example Sucide Squad grossed over $700m excluding China; and then there are always people who say it could have done close to a billion if it was released in China. 😅 or Joker did a billion without China.. it sounds impressive. A potential always sounds better than a reality that is disapponting. (I.e - BW gross over $500m excluding China. Wow. 🤣) Edited July 9, 2021 by TigerPaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabiopazzo2 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 19 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said: $500M shall be done, unless Covid has another wave in more markets. Don't think China will do much. Delayed release in SEA will be waste mostly. So $600m is tough. May be Disney should just not release it in China. But even dead MCU film in China will do $50-60M, so I guess can do it for bragging rights. I dont understand why BW is not released in China 👺 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john2000 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 ant man and the wasp had 160 mill ww opening without china and then went on to make 500 mill without china , that was 3,12 in terms of legs , if black widow has the same legs but with 180-200 ww opening sans china and antman 2 legs then we are looking at 560-620 mill without china, so lets see it will be fun to watch thats for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john2000 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 1 minute ago, fabiopazzo2 said: I dont understand why BW is not released in China 👺 it will probably be released, but its stuck on cencorship, anyways we will probably know soon enough about when and if it will be released , (now how the piracy and pa affects it there, thats anyone guess) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted July 9, 2021 Author Share Posted July 9, 2021 45 minutes ago, TigerPaw said: To be fair; $530m excluding China sounds better than $580m including China - if you get what I mean. Haha. That's why I actually don't want Disney to release BW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john2000 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) 👀 well how about i make a club for black widow ow in china 70 o/u BOLD joking aside i am serious , while i personally think that piracy will affect it, i dont think that it will kill it, mulan was dead mostly if not only bc of the reception imo , anyways first things first lets see how this weekend will go Edited July 9, 2021 by john2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menor Reborn Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Valonqar said: For what is worth, it has 94% Audience Score on RT from over 1000 verified ratings atm. They are all internationals so at least early foreign audience loves it. WOM should be great. Pretty sure the RT verified score is from USA Thursday previews. 4 hours ago, charlie Jatinder said: Don't pay attention to these internet ratings for MCU and other fanbase properties. Nah RT verified tends to track pretty well with Cinemascore actually. Much more reliable than your average online rating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted July 9, 2021 Author Share Posted July 9, 2021 21 minutes ago, Menor said: Nah RT verified tends to track pretty well with Cinemascore actually. Much more reliable than your average online rating. Don't pay attention to cinemascore 😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJG Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 1 hour ago, fabiopazzo2 said: I dont understand why BW is not released in China 👺 Its a movie about a character escaping the Communist USSR and finding salvation in Capitalist America. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john2000 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) If i remember correctly fast 9 had an ww ow without china at about 140m (if we add the ows),so black widow doing 180-200 imo is great Edited July 9, 2021 by john2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 7 hours ago, TigerPaw said: Also Tenet did pretty okay in China; while piracy of BW is already out now before a release date is confirmed… I knew the May date was better and I said it a lot of times in this forum; at least in terms of gross on a worldwide basis… @Fullbusteryour thoughts? I still think July was better: -USA is stronger than in May -Europe reopened their theaters and there are no gauges anymore I don't know what happened to China but even if China's numbers would be bigger or as big as European numbers it's important to remind you that Disney gets a much higher share of the box office in Europe than in China so I'm pretty sure it's a win for them. I think this BW first week is very satisfying so far given the conditions & circumstances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerPaw Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Fullbuster said: I still think July was better: -USA is stronger than in May -Europe reopened their theaters and there are no gauges anymore I don't know what happened to China but even if China's numbers would be bigger or as big as European numbers it's important to remind you that Disney gets a much higher share of the box office in Europe than in China so I'm pretty sure it's a win for them. You do note that I kept saying worldwide gross right… Not box office profit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juni78ukr Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 22% Friday drop in Russia. Definitely not good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabiopazzo2 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Its time.... delete The MCU 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legions of the Galaxy Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, fabiopazzo2 said: Its time.... delete The MCU Wish will be granted in 4 days 👀 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted July 10, 2021 Author Share Posted July 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, juni78ukr said: 22% Friday drop in Russia. Definitely not good. I thought drop was better than SM:FFH and Ant-Man 2. Though numbers are comparatively smaller to begin with. Spoiler Ant-Man 2 THU - 334K admits FRI - 225K (-33%) SAT - 225K (-0%) SUN - 280 (+24%) SM: FFH THU - 663K FRI - 424K (-37%) SAT - 470K (+10%) SUN - 424K (-10%) BW THU - 249K FRI - 179K (-28%) SAT - ~220K (+23%) Pre-sales for Sunday looks ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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