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[Ozymandias]

6 minutes ago, Jedi Jat said:

I don't get the criticism behind that. Why can't we just accept that, that creature was a space cow. You can believe that force exists but not space cows.

 

Don't tell me you don't drink other animal aka cow milk.

thats not the point

 

with the way it was handled, the intention behind it was for purely comedy and it just came off as bizarre and out of place in a SW, just like a your momma joke

 

and i don't drink cow milk anymore fyi, or hardly any dairy 

[tonytr87]

3 hours ago, boomboom234 said:

Sure he is and he can go subvert expectations somewhere else those guys and Filoni get Star Wars more than he ever will

 

All you guys need to admit that Star Wars just isn't that good generally.

 

Out of 11 movies only two of them were actually great. It won't happen but this franchise needs to go away for 20 years. 

[ZackM]

5 minutes ago, Ozymandias said:

thats not the point

 

with the way it was handled, the intention behind it was for purely comedy and it just came off as bizarre and out of place in a SW, just like a your momma joke

 

and i don't drink cow milk anymore fyi, or hardly any dairy 

The space cow was not for comedy.  That whole sequence was about making life for Rey miserable.  He wanted her to leave.  That scene specifically succeeds in making the audience as uncomfortable with the idea of drinking fresh green milk as Rey is supposed to feel in that moment.

Edited December 22, 2019 by ZackM

[JohnnyGossamer]

1 minute ago, tonytr87 said:

 

All you guys need to admit that Star Wars just isn't that good generally.

 

Out of 11 movies only two of them were actually great. It won't happen but this franchise needs to go away for 20 years. 

I wouldn't put it as low as 2 - probably 3 or 4 for me - and it doesn't need to disappear for 20 years but I agree otherwise. 

[mcclaine]

22 minutes ago, wildphantom said:

No. I think it’ll make the equivalent of what ROTS made. 

So that would be 768m. Nah, not happening.

[Madhuvan]

So, many of you here hate Disney. Jeez. No wonder it's wildly successful. 

[mcclaine]

11 minutes ago, cory said:

So the internal multiplier/WOM is bad because of TLJ? 

Yes. Everything is because of TLJ.

People got mad, because of TLJ.

The story of TRoS is face pace and convoluted, because of TLJ.

Luke doesn't shine, because of TLJ.

We have a villain back from the dead out of nowhere, because of TLJ.

 

Fuck that movie.

 

 

[narniadis]

[mcclaine]

6 minutes ago, tonytr87 said:

 

All you guys need to admit that Star Wars just isn't that good generally.

 

i don't agree with that.

 

 

 

[misafeco]

This thread... 

[JohnnyGossamer]

4 minutes ago, mcclaine said:

So that would be 768m. Nah, not happening.

Adjusted for inflation of 2019 prices according to BOM, Revenge of the Sith is at $536.4M.

[Nova]

4 minutes ago, narniadis said:

[raniE]

7 minutes ago, tonytr87 said:

 

All you guys need to admit that Star Wars just isn't that good generally.

 

Out of 11 movies only two of them were actually great. It won't happen but this franchise needs to go away for 20 years. 

The actual original Star Wars films are all good. The prequels weren’t. The newer films are just fan fiction. Some of it quite good (Rogue One), but mostly not. But I think most franchises should take a break, or rather just stop. Terminator and Terminator 2 are good films. That doesn’t mean we have to, or even want to, get new Terminator films (or tv-shows) every few years.

[narniadis]

2 minutes ago, JohnnyGossamer said:

Adjusted for inflation of 2019 prices according to BOM, Revenge of the Sith is at $536.4M.

I would imagine he falls into the camp of it not meeting his story to use the legitimate numbers as the rest of the film community does. Granted it doesnt necessarily account as accurately for premium formats but the difference wouldnt be close to 200m.... 

[a2k]

47 minutes ago, pepsa said:

But you do agree that a $1.1B movie now isn't as big as a $850m movie in 2005 right (comparably).

 

At the end of 2005 this was the all time world wide chart. https://web.archive.org/web/20051214031026/http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

 

ROTS was #11 (today BP is #11), Clones was 24 (Captain Marvel currently) and TPM was 5 (AIW).

 

Rank	Title	Studio	Worldwide	Domestic / %		Overseas / %		Year
1	Titanic	Par.	$1,845.0	$600.8	32.6%	$1,244.2	67.4%	1997
2	The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King	NL	$1,118.9	$377.0	33.7%	$741.9	66.3%	2003
3	Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone	WB	$976.5	$317.6	32.5%	$658.9	67.5%	2001
4	The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers	NL	$926.3	$341.8	36.9%	$584.5	63.1%	2002
5	Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace	Fox	$924.3	$431.1	46.6%	$493.2	53.4%	1999
6	Shrek 2	DW	$920.7	$441.2	47.9%	$479.4	52.1%	2004
7	Jurassic Park	Uni.	$914.7	$357.1	39.0%	$557.6	61.0%	1993
8	Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets	WB	$876.7	$262.0	29.9%	$614.7	70.1%	2002
9	The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring	NL	$871.4	$314.8	36.1%	$556.6	63.9%	2001
10	Finding Nemo	BV	$864.6	$339.7	39.3%	$524.9	60.7%	2003
11	Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith	Fox	$848.5	$380.3	44.8%	$468.2	55.2%	2005
12	Spider-Man	Sony	$821.7	$403.7	49.1%	$418.0	50.9%	2002
13	Independence Day	Fox	$817.0	$306.2	37.5%	$510.8	62.5%	1996
14	E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial	Uni.	$792.9	$435.1	54.9%	$357.8	45.1%	1982
15	Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban	WB	$789.8	$249.5	31.6%	$540.3	68.4%	2004

 

Also look at prod budget to ww ratio. Home market was also more alive.

May 19, 2005	Star Wars Ep. III: Revenge …	$115,000,000	$108,435,841	$380,270,577	$848,998,877
May 16, 2002	Star Wars Ep. II: Attack of…	$115,000,000	$80,027,814	$310,676,740	$656,695,615
May 19, 1999	Star Wars Ep. I: The Phanto…	$115,000,000	$64,810,970	$474,544,677	$1,027,044,677

 

 

Edited December 22, 2019 by a2k

[JohnnyGossamer]

1 minute ago, narniadis said:

I would imagine he falls into the camp of it not meeting his story to use the legitimate numbers as the rest of the film community does. Granted it doesnt necessarily account as accurately for premium formats but the difference wouldnt be close to 200m.... 

Agreed.

[Cap]

MODERATION:

 

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Sees the OW Estimate.

 

 

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[Madhuvan]

@Force Ghost Cap we are allowed to talk against Rian, right? 

[WittyUsername]

I don’t know how anyone can spin this movie’s numbers so far as a good thing. Sure, an opening like this would be great for most films, but it’s much lower than what its predecessors made, and considering that this is supposed to be the epic finale to the Skywalker Saga, that’s definitely underwhelming. This is just more proof that Disney’s Star Wars is experiencing some serious diminishing returns.

Edited December 22, 2019 by WittyUsername

[Nova]

What went wrong? TROS faced stiff competition from Jumanji, Frozen, Bombshell and the biggest movie of them all: CATs. No movie can survive an onslaught of that kind of competition.