charlie Jatinder Posted October 3, 2021 Author Share Posted October 3, 2021 4 hours ago, keysersoze123 said: That means MTC share was lower stateside for Venom 2 than Shang Chi. That is amazing. BTW does this include previews or not? Includes previews. MTC1&2 were 43% of full OD for V2. 2 bigger than 3 as we suspected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted October 25, 2021 Author Share Posted October 25, 2021 Dune ~$1.9M opening day & $1.65M SAT. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted November 5, 2021 Author Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) 2021 as on 04/11 Shang Chi - $24M NTTD - $18M Free Guy - $14M BW - $13M Venom 2 - $12.5M F9 - $12M Dune - $11M Jungle Cruise - $11M Suicide Squad - $10M SC 11% in Canada. NTTD 13% Dune 15% TSS 18% Edited November 16, 2021 by charlie Jatinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPLC Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 3 hours ago, charlie Jatinder said: 2021 as on 04/11 Shang Chi - $24M NTTD - $18M Free Guy - $14M BW - $13M Venom 2 - $12.5M F9 - $12M Dune - $11M Jungle Cruise - $11M Suicide Squad - $10M SC 11% in Canada. NTTD 13% Dune 18% TSS 18% Last time I was saying 10% for NTTD, so it's not so so far. US only should be around $130M for NTTD and $125M-$130M for UK. US > UK but it's tight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted November 6, 2021 Author Share Posted November 6, 2021 ~$2.25M OD Eternals. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) Weekend 12-14 Nov 1. Eternals - 2.25 / 9.7 2. Dune - 1.3 / 15 3. Clifford - 0.9 4. NTTD - 0.73 / 20 Expected better for NTTD. Probably close to 30M, but seems like will end around 24-25M. Dune doing great. Will most likely do 20M. Edited November 17, 2021 by charlie Jatinder 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted December 21, 2021 Author Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) $24M (US$18.7M) weekend Spider-man: No Way Home. Probably 2nd biggest weekend, but lemme check old data. US$2.7M Monday. Lost $350k due to Quebec closing. Edited December 26, 2021 by charlie Jatinder 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torontofan Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Ontario seems to stay open till Dec 26 at least and the 50% cap is really reducing the potential gross as people cant get tickets or been scared off due to restrictions. As long as things stay open this will have very long lasting legs and get a huge gross. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daxtreme Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 WOW what a nice thread, thanks a lot Charlie for doing this. Amazing work!!! Gold mine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daxtreme Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 On 8/22/2020 at 10:51 AM, charlie Jatinder said: One thing I noticed regarding Quebec box office is that share of French language is reducing. For instance Titanic: $13.83mn in French and $4.37mn I assume English Avatar: $10.85mn in French & $6.2mn English SW:TFA: $7.64mn in French & $5.6mn English Endgame: $5.1mn in French & $5.2mn English The Avengers: $5.2mn in French & $3.1mn English Infinity War: $3.84mn in French & $3.76mn English What could be the reason? Easy. Lots of younger people learning English. Note that before the 2000's, barely anyone spoke English in the general population. My city used to be 96% francophone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_City#Demographics) but according to latest census it's now 92%, but share of "bilingual" is increasing all the time, it's now at a third and probably higher since some people don't report it. They started teaching it in school at like 12 years old back then, it was so late. Just dumb. Then they brought it down to teaching it in like kindergarten so now almost all younger people are fine with English (some aren't... I know of 30 year olds who don't really understand English it's baffling. How do you even live on the Internet??!?!) I am one of those people who learned and shifted their movie-going behavior. Before 2009 or so I couldn't catch a movie in theaters in English, I couldn't understand, so French it was. Then I started saying "fuck it" and went to see movies in English starting with Avatar even though I missed some parts... because fuck dubbing. Also great seats all the time. The rest is history. My case is absolutely typical here. English showings are packed now, they weren't before. It's also why the government is introducing laws to help retain French language. Youngsters are increasingly using English, businesses as well, and it could snowball really quickly 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torontofan Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Daxtreme said: Easy. Lots of younger people learning English. Note that before the 2000's, barely anyone spoke English in the general population. My city used to be 96% francophone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_City#Demographics) but according to latest census it's now 92%, but share of "bilingual" is increasing all the time, it's now at a third and probably higher since some people don't report it. They started teaching it in school at like 12 years old back then, it was so late. Just dumb. Then they brought it down to teaching it in like kindergarten so now almost all younger people are fine with English (some aren't... I know of 30 year olds who don't really understand English it's baffling. How do you even live on the Internet??!?!) I am one of those people who learned and shifted their movie-going behavior. Before 2009 or so I couldn't catch a movie in theaters in English, I couldn't understand, so French it was. Then I started saying "fuck it" and went to see movies in English starting with Avatar even though I missed some parts... because fuck dubbing. Also great seats all the time. The rest is history. My case is absolutely typical here. English showings are packed now, they weren't before. It's also why the government is introducing laws to help retain French language. Youngsters are increasingly using English, businesses as well, and it could snowball really quickly Yes visiting quebec city find younger people all know French but older people don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agafin Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 How leggy is Canada compared to the US? I'm sure it's leggier but I can't find OW numbers to compare the multis of movies in Canada compared to their southern neighbor. 16 hours ago, Daxtreme said: Easy. Lots of younger people learning English. Note that before the 2000's, barely anyone spoke English in the general population. My city used to be 96% francophone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_City#Demographics) but according to latest census it's now 92%, but share of "bilingual" is increasing all the time, it's now at a third and probably higher since some people don't report it. They started teaching it in school at like 12 years old back then, it was so late. Just dumb. Then they brought it down to teaching it in like kindergarten so now almost all younger people are fine with English (some aren't... I know of 30 year olds who don't really understand English it's baffling. How do you even live on the Internet??!?!) Very interesting. But like you said, the Quebec government and quebecker nationalists are probably not liking this development as it signals the decloine of French amongst the province's youth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agafin Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 On 1/3/2020 at 6:31 PM, charlie Jatinder said: Canada Top Grossers Since 2000. Hide contents Rank Title Date Gross 1 Avatar 12/18/2009 96,114,000 2 Star Wars: The Force Awakens 12/18/2015 94,345,000 3 Avengers: Endgame 04/26/2019 82,536,000 4 Star Wars: The Last Jedi 12/15/2017 61,979,000 5 Avengers: Infinity War 04/27/2018 61,707,000 6 Marvel's The Avengers 05/04/2012 59,496,000 7 Black Panther 02/16/2018 57,992,000 8 Jurassic World 06/12/2015 57,365,000 9 Rogue One: A Star Wars Story 12/16/2016 55,306,000 10 Lord Of The Rings: The Return Of The King 12/17/2003 52,943,000 11 The Dark Knight 07/18/2008 52,301,000 12 The Lion King 07/19/2019 51,349,000 13 Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers 12/18/2002 48,587,000 14 Beauty And The Beast 03/17/2017 47,569,000 15 The Dark Knight Rises 07/20/2012 46,772,000 16 Skyfall 11/09/2012 45,038,000 17 Pirates Of The Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest 07/07/2006 43,970,000 18 Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey 12/14/2012 43,786,000 19 Harry Potter And The Deathly Hallows II 07/15/2011 43,763,000 20 Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring 12/19/2001 43,584,000 21 Shrek 2 05/19/2004 43,509,000 22 Incredibles 2 06/15/2018 43,112,000 23 Spider-Man (2002) 05/03/2002 42,689,000 24 Captain Marvel 03/08/2019 41,820,000 25 Avengers: Age Of Ultron 05/01/2015 41,748,000 26 Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 2 05/05/2017 39,771,000 27 Hunger Games 03/23/2012 39,460,000 28 Frozen 2 11/22/2019 39,139,000 29 Joker 10/04/2019 38,917,000 30 Jumanji: Welcome To The Jungle 12/20/2017 38,715,000 31 Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker 12/20/2019 38,499,000 32 Hunger Games: Catching Fire 11/22/2013 38,268,000 33 Spider-Man 2 06/30/2004 38,089,000 34 Deadpool 02/12/2016 37,800,000 35 Hobbit: The Desolation Of Smaug 12/13/2013 37,584,000 36 Iron Man 3 05/03/2013 37,492,000 37 Guardians Of The Galaxy 08/01/2014 37,138,000 38 Finding Dory 06/17/2016 36,954,000 39 Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom 06/22/2018 36,915,000 40 Alice In Wonderland 03/05/2010 36,848,000 41 Spider-Man: Far From Home 07/02/2019 36,720,000 42 Minions 07/10/2015 36,439,000 43 Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen 06/24/2009 36,311,000 44 Hobbit: The Battle Of The Five Armies 12/17/2014 35,794,000 45 Frozen 11/27/2013 35,027,000 46 Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith 05/19/2005 34,664,000 47 Captain America: Civil War 05/06/2016 34,222,000 48 Wonder Woman 06/02/2017 33,967,000 49 Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix 07/11/2007 33,953,000 50 The Jungle Book 04/15/2016 33,743,000 Numbers are in USD and ranked as so. However it will be different in local currency. Broadly films from late 2000s and early 2010s are inflated in US$ due to ER. Some early 2000s films may be bit low in here as the tracked market might be a bit lower. Quebec Province Top Grossers since 1985. Hide contents Rank Film Shows Admissions Gross ATP 1 Titanic 32,537 3,385,894 18,192,251 5.37 2 Avatar 26,163 1,791,001 17,070,532 9.53 3 Star Wars - The Force Awakens 29,235 1,345,058 13,201,241 9.81 4 Avengers: Endgame 20,841 1,026,051 10,336,554 10.07 5 Lord Of The Rings - The Fellowship Of The Ring 18,343 1,529,396 9,550,379 6.24 6 Spider-Man 25,651 1,506,653 9,392,205 6.23 7 Harry Potter and the Philosphers Stone 27,452 1,621,345 9,307,545 5.74 8 Lord Of The Rings: The Return Of The King 20,539 1,408,413 8,890,427 6.31 9 Adventures Of Tintin 3D 22,646 929,724 8,701,916 9.36 10 Lord Of The Rings - The Two Towers 16,607 1,355,724 8,429,143 6.22 11 The Lion King 27,945 968,129 8,328,274 8.60 12 Star Wars Episode 1: The Phantom Menace 31,976 1,414,477 8,319,616 5.88 13 Star Wars: The Last Jedi 22,274 836,741 8,287,469 9.90 14 Marvel The Avengers 22,104 867,209 8,267,104 9.53 15 The Dark Knight 20,207 996,529 7,855,935 7.88 16 Harry Potter And The Chamber Of Secrets 19,998 1,340,434 7,731,297 5.77 17 Avengers: Infinity War 22,279 770,260 7,596,358 9.86 18 Jurassic World 23,671 816,666 7,571,255 9.27 19 Spider-Man 2 22,098 1,198,313 7,538,317 6.29 20 Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire 17,438 1,132,151 7,394,766 6.53 21 Rogue One 21,655 748,758 7,298,139 9.75 22 Da Vinci Code 22,436 1,018,660 7,153,710 7.02 23 Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker 21,988 682,940 7,089,003 10.38 24 Ascension Of The Black Knight The 19,309 799,523 7,018,251 8.78 25 Hobbit - An Unexpected Journey The 3D 18,553 707,391 6,990,956 9.88 26 Black Panther 21,087 728,267 6,908,510 9.49 27 Pirates Of The Caribbean: Dead Man'S Chest 21,924 1,017,653 6,791,787 6.67 28 Joker 20,836 731,004 6,775,576 9.27 29 Jurassic Park Le 20,994 1,256,257 6,734,589 5.36 30 Shrek 2 26,278 1,121,928 6,711,565 5.98 31 Temptation 18,563 899,913 6,577,594 7.31 32 Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix 19,819 994,054 6,575,700 6.62 33 Minions The 23,515 849,422 6,564,566 7.73 34 Hobbit - La Desolation De Smaug Le 16,674 623,001 6,280,510 10.08 35 Star Wars Episode Iii - Revenge Of The Sith 15,922 850,738 6,236,521 7.33 36 Saga Twilight: Hesitation La 19,493 850,939 6,206,497 7.29 37 Harry Potter And The Prisoner Of Azkaban 21,688 982,431 6,059,240 6.17 38 Hunger Games: L'Embrasement 18,609 724,666 5,956,561 8.22 39 Spider-Man 3 20,855 853,212 5,942,014 6.96 40 Snow Queen Ii La 23,831 716,834 5,865,641 8.18 41 Beauty And The Beast 3D 19,093 645,761 5,841,518 9.05 42 Harry Potter And The Deathly Hallows Part 1 17,298 746,832 5,834,072 7.81 43 Jumanji: Welcome To The Jungle 19,987 664,813 5,589,290 8.41 44 Jumanji: The Next Level 21,377 665,173 5,571,403 8.38 45 Hobbit: The Battle Of The Five Armies The 16,665 592,243 5,571,098 9.41 46 Iron Man 3 17,651 578,863 5,487,638 9.48 47 Hunger Games: The Movie 20,094 692,816 5,378,718 7.76 48 Alone In The World 16,443 859,435 5,319,439 6.19 49 Star Wars Episode Ii - Attack Of The Clones 15,671 789,396 5,306,787 6.72 50 Alice In Wonderland 13,579 573,260 5,283,661 9.22 After looking at various sources, it seems like a lot (most?) of the numbers in this post are wrong. Maybe there was a confusion between US$ and C$? For example, SW:TFA did not earn US$94.35m as is written here, but instead C$91,96m (which would be about US$65m based on the ER back then). Even the Quebec number seems off as Cinoch stopped tracking it at around C$14.9m (which doesn't match the $13.2m number here, whether in C$ or USD). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted December 27, 2021 Author Share Posted December 27, 2021 53 minutes ago, Agafin said: For example, SW:TFA did not earn US$94.35m as is written here, but instead C$91,96m (which would be about US$65m based on the ER back then). Even the Quebec number seems off as Cinoch stopped tracking it at around C$14.9m (which doesn't match the $13.2m number here, whether in C$ or USD I have no guarantee for Quebec numbers but those Canada numbers are legit from the main box office measurement service, comScore. Though at times I get doubts on whether they are simply adding Canada $ with US $ for North America total, but that won't make sense as you can notice how numbers in that list are benefited by better exchange rates in late 2000s and early 2010s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted January 31, 2022 Author Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) Spider-man: No Way Home Week 1 - $27.6M (Quebec missing since MON) Week 2 - $9.7M Week 3 - $5M (Ontario missing since WED) Week 4 - $1.5M Week 5 - $1M Week 6 - $0.79M 7th Weekend - $0.51M Total - $46.2M Ontario reopen today. Will be interesting how it do. It has probably missed $5M in last 26 days. How much of that it will be able to recover, will see. Quebec reopen next week. Underindexing performance in Canada. One would usually expect Canada to do $75-80M approx. with sort of numbers USA is doing. It has missed on $9M+ till date due to cinema closure in two states for a real value of $55M+, but that's not enough. Even with that it would be ending around $60M, roughly $15-20M short of what it should ideally be doing. Edited February 1, 2022 by charlie Jatinder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXR vs XXR Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said: Spider-man: No Way Home Week 1 - $27.6M (Quebec missing since MON) Week 2 - $9.7M Week 3 - $5M (Ontario missing since WED) Week 4 - $1.5M Week 5 - $1M Week 6 - $0.79M 7th Weekend - $0.55M Total - $46.2M Ontario reopen today. Will be interesting how it do. It has probably missed $5M in last 26 days. How much of that it will be able to recover, will see. Quebec reopen next week. Underindexing performance in Canada. One would usually expect Canada to do $75-80M approx. with sort of numbers USA is doing. It has missed on $9M+ till date due to cinema closure in two states for a real value of $55M+, but that's not enough. Even with that it would be ending around $60M, roughly $15-20M short of what it should ideally be doing. Canadians, from what I can tell, are likely far more COVID cautious as a whole than Americans. That should explain a decent amount of the missing money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 Canada weekend. 28-30 Jan, 2022 SM: NWH - $510K (-7%) / $46.2M Scream - $170K (-19%) / $1.2M Sing 2 - $158K (+3%) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted February 6, 2022 Author Share Posted February 6, 2022 Canada weeK. 28 Jan - 03 Feb, 2022 SM: NWH - $1.125M (+11%) / $46.8M Scream - $420K / $1.45M Sing 2 - $238K Ontario opened in the weekdays. Not as big as I initially thought it will be, but ok. $440k in ON during weekdays. Expecting $1.1M overall weekend in Canada for SM. Quebec opening from tomorrow. 2472 tickets sold in Cineplex 16 locs. Good. Could be more than Quebec may be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPLC Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 2 hours ago, charlie Jatinder said: Canada weeK. 28 Jan - 03 Feb, 2022 SM: NWH - $1.125M (+11%) / $46.8M Scream - $420K / $1.45M Sing 2 - $238K Ontario opened in the weekdays. Not as big as I initially thought it will be, but ok. $440k in ON during weekdays. Expecting $1.1M overall weekend in Canada for SM. Quebec opening from tomorrow. 2472 tickets sold in Cineplex 16 locs. Good. Could be more than Quebec may be. Quebec could be more than Ontario. I think you wanted to say that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agafin Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 12/27/2021 at 3:50 PM, charlie Jatinder said: I have no guarantee for Quebec numbers but those Canada numbers are legit from the main box office measurement service, comScore. Though at times I get doubts on whether they are simply adding Canada $ with US $ for North America total, but that won't make sense as you can notice how numbers in that list are benefited by better exchange rates in late 2000s and early 2010s. Ok I've seen your numbers been shared on Reddit (specifically, those showing TFA doing only $840m in the US) and after done fast research and I'm pretty much certain that your Canadian numbers (specifically the currency) are off. I'll repost my post from reddit (with relevant sources): I think we've had this argument on BOT already, but I reiterate, your US numbers are off. You seem to have the Canadian and US dollar mixed up. For example, TFA didn't do US$97m as your graph is implying (that would have been a ridiculous overperformance). It did C$91.9m(source). I've cross-checked the source against one of the mainstream trades to verify its accuracy and it seems to hold up. This Hollywood Reporter article has it grossing C$58.1m in 2015 calendar year which when added to the C$33.8m 2016 calendar gross from above gives us the same total gross. Using the exchange rate from that HR article, the US$ gross for the entire run of TFA in Canada would be $65m and so the US only number is US$872m. I assume you've made the same mistake for the Endgame and NWH (I haven't checked however). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
