Amsterdam | David O. Russell | October 7, 2022 | Christian Bale to star | 20th Century Studios

[Eric Atreides]

I approve this date change. Makes the discourse go away a lot faster.

[CJohn]

The reviews will be about DOR being a trash person and not about the movie itself, and Disney knows it. I would dump this will little fanfare as soon as possible as well.

[filmlover]

On one hand, this feels like confirmation that this is going nowhere awards-wise, but on the other, I'm sure theaters are happy to have one more really high profile title in the September/October corridor to potentially lift them out of the misery that awaits them for the next month.

 

November 4 is now empty though and I doubt anything moves there since Black Panther domination is the following weekend. Get a sense that a surprise "it's opening one week early" announcement is coming since that would give Disney's holiday tentpoles (Black Panther, Strange World, Avatar) three weeks of breathing room like they usually have (Doctor Strange/Moana/Rogue One in 2016, Thor/Coco/Star Wars in 2017).

 

 

[BoxOfficeFangrl]

A lot of Oscar hopefuls have been wide releases the first weekend of October: The Social Network, The Ides of March, Gone Girl, The Girl on the Train, Blade Runner 2049, A Star Is Born, Joker, not to mention prestige actioners like Gravity and The Martian. Varying degrees of awards success and acclaim among those titles, granted, but an early October release alone doesn't really say much.

 

For Amsterdam, the trailer and limited buzz with little sign so far of how the studio plans to deal with the David O Russell questions, all that seems like a bigger red flag...

[BestPicturePlutoNash]

1 hour ago, BoxOfficeFangrl said:

A lot of Oscar hopefuls have been wide releases the first weekend of October: The Social Network, The Ides of March, Gone Girl, The Girl on the Train, Blade Runner 2049, A Star Is Born, Joker, not to mention prestige actioners like Gravity and The Martian. Varying degrees of awards success and acclaim among those titles, granted, but an early October release alone doesn't really say much.

 

For Amsterdam, the trailer and limited buzz with little sign so far of how the studio plans to deal with the David O Russell questions, all that seems like a bigger red flag...

The majority of those films had festival launches for awards buzz and were positioned as Oscar hopefuls.

Social Network- NYFF

Gone Girl- NYFF

Ides of March- Venice + TIFF

Star is Born- Venice + TIFF

Joker- Venice + TIFF + NYFF

Gravity- Venice + Telluride + TIFF

The Martian- TIFF

 

Amsterdam doesn't.

 

Fox/Disney is not positioning Amsterdam as an Oscar hopeful. It's (seemingly) being pushed as a commercial play (but really just dumped)... which is going to backfire. Will audiences want to see an adult drama without awards hype and with bad reviews in the fall? It doesn't even have the benefit of a book fanbase ala Crawdads (which was summer counter programming). It's also an original IP (albeit based on true events). They're relying on the A-list cast but how far can that truly carry it?

 

Ironically the other ones that didn't (Blade Runner, Girl on the Train) flopped commercially or critically. That's the point. 

[filmlover]

2 hours ago, BoxOfficeFangrl said:

A lot of Oscar hopefuls have been wide releases the first weekend of October: The Social Network, The Ides of March, Gone Girl, The Girl on the Train, Blade Runner 2049, A Star Is Born, Joker, not to mention prestige actioners like Gravity and The Martian. Varying degrees of awards success and acclaim among those titles, granted, but an early October release alone doesn't really say much.

 

For Amsterdam, the trailer and limited buzz with little sign so far of how the studio plans to deal with the David O Russell questions, all that seems like a bigger red flag...

The average person has no idea who David O. Russell is (the marketing materials only list his biggest hits). I doubt it'll be an issue beyond the social media echo chamber. Given how orchestrated promo tours usually are, there won't be any grilling questions for the cast. That is, if anyone does any promo for this.

[Pinacolada]

I'm very curious about the budget of this. If it's $60m, they're fucked.

 

But if they managed to keep it MAX $40m or under, I think it could have a chance to not be a complete flop (if it's not atrociously bad)

Edited August 17, 2022 by Pinacolada

[BestPicturePlutoNash]

39 minutes ago, Pinacolada said:

I'm very curious about the budget of this. If it's $60m, they're fucked.

 

But if they managed to keep it MAX $40m or under, I think it could have a chance to not be a complete flop (if it's not atrociously bad)

Over 60 apparently. Joy was 60m. American Hustle was like 40. This is an extravagant period piece

[Pinacolada]

7 hours ago, BestPicturePlutoNash said:

Over 60 apparently. Joy was 60m. American Hustle was like 40. This is an extravagant period piece

American Hustle is more extravagant and is also a period piece, and I'd wager it's cast was more expensive.

 

But if true, major yikes

[BoxOfficeFangrl]

12 hours ago, BestPicturePlutoNash said:

The majority of those films had festival launches for awards buzz and were positioned as Oscar hopefuls.

Social Network- NYFF

Gone Girl- NYFF

Ides of March- Venice + TIFF

Star is Born- Venice + TIFF

Joker- Venice + TIFF + NYFF

Gravity- Venice + Telluride + TIFF

The Martian- TIFF

 

Amsterdam doesn't.

 

Fox/Disney is not positioning Amsterdam as an Oscar hopeful. It's (seemingly) being pushed as a commercial play (but really just dumped)... which is going to backfire. Will audiences want to see an adult drama without awards hype and with bad reviews in the fall? It doesn't even have the benefit of a book fanbase ala Crawdads (which was summer counter programming). It's also an original IP (albeit based on true events). They're relying on the A-list cast but how far can that truly carry it?

 

Ironically the other ones that didn't (Blade Runner, Girl on the Train) flopped commercially or critically. That's the point. 

Then they should just move Amsterdam to early next year a la Monuments Men, reframing the busted awards bait as a decent enough movie for grown-ups.

 

[BestPicturePlutoNash]

39 minutes ago, BoxOfficeFangrl said:

Then they should just move Amsterdam to early next year a la Monuments Men, reframing the busted awards bait as a decent enough movie for grown-ups.

 

That's probably better for the box office, yeah, but I guess Fox/Disney wants it out and done with ASAP lol

[BestPicturePlutoNash]

4 hours ago, Pinacolada said:

American Hustle is more extravagant and is also a period piece, and I'd wager it's cast was more expensive.

 

But if true, major yikes

This has WW2 sequences and doesn't take place in the 70s. 

[Eric Atreides]

 

[Pinacolada]

4 minutes ago, Eric the Genie said:

 

That's an alright poster. JDW looks terribly photoshopped tho lol

[filmlover]

Could've been a worse poster tbh. Better than trying to shove everyone on there just to show off how starry it is.

[BestPicturePlutoNash]

This is actually getting IMAX on the 7th

[filmlover]

3 minutes ago, BestPicturePlutoNash said:

This is actually getting IMAX on the 7th

AMC's website says that both this and Lyle, Lyle, Crocodile will be getting Dolby Cinema screens that weekend so assume Lyle gets them during the day while this takes over at night.

[Eric Atreides]

 

[CJohn]

8/22

 

That is OW/DOM total btw.

[TMP]

Bale’s really gonna be in two of the worst films of his career in a single year lol