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48 minutes ago, grey ghost said:

But doesn't that works both ways.

 

Aren't there Americans who died of coronavirus whose cause of death is inaccurate since testing is so rare.

 

This would mean there are deaths missing from the stats.

 

Honest question. Pls don't ban me.

When they did the swine flu stats by the day...it turned out 3 years later that when data researchers went back and computed everything, the outbreak was 15x bigger than reported numbers at the time...lots of reasons including areas which didn't test, areas that got overwhelmed, areas that lied about their tests, etc...

 

When all this is said and done, hopefully we don't find out that we were off the same 15x multiplier WW...although, even just so far, we're probably already off 2x-3x...

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1 hour ago, lorddemaxus said:

When did the number of Coronavirus cases in the US reach 6000? It was just above 4000 a few hours ago. I'm guessing 10,000 cases by Friday.

 

It actually probably reached 6,000 like 3 weeks ago...

 

44 minutes ago, Porthos said:

I know it's not the thread for it, but expect an instant call for Joe Biden in FL and IL at 8:00:01pm Eastern Time.  Most of the polls closed in Florida, but as anyone who lived through 2000 knows, the panhandle still votes for another 40 minutes or so.

 

(mentioning it due to the health concerns over voting; if Bernie Sanders gets blown out to the level he might tonight there will be a lot of pressure for him to drop out, thus rendering many of the primaries moot on the presidential side)

Agreed. C'mon Bernie. Enough.

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Treasury Secretary warns US could see 20% unemployment rate due to coronavirus, source says

From CNN's Jeremy Diamond

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin warned Republican senators Tuesday that the coronavirus pandemic could drive up US unemployment to 20%, a Republican Senate source told CNN.

Mnuchin's comments came as he urged Republican senators to act on economic stimulus measures totaling $1 trillion designed to avert that kind of worst case scenario.

In the same meeting, Mnuchin also said he is concerned the economic ramifications of the coronavirus pandemic could be worse than the 2008 financial crisis, the source said.

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1 minute ago, excel1 said:

 

It actually probably reached 6,000 like 3 weeks ago...

 

Agreed. C'mon Bernie. Enough.

Bernie already got Biden to adopt one of his policy plans, didn't he? So the idea of running to push the policy platform left is moot at this point, too.

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FWIW Sanders is losing in both Alachua Co - home of the Univ. of FL (by about 12%points right now) and is getting walloped in Leon Co (home of FL St). So Sanders is even losing the young vote in FL to Biden. 

 

I hope he drops out after tonight, but i believe he is likely to stay in for some time. Ultimately he is an ideological warrior more than a politician. Whose going to encourage him to drop out that he will listen to? Most Progressive organizations have been very vocal in wanting him to stay in the race all the way to June.

 

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What is extremely noteworthy is we have known the case count is much higher than reported for a while. Cases are likely well over 10,000 in US ATM if proper testing was occurring. Yet the death figure is only 110 and severe cases figure is minuscule & that is a massive different from the Italy's and China's of the world.

 

The sentiment surrounding case counts was very rough due to the expected mortality rate but if that isn't holding - the 1.8% is artificially high because you know the case number in reality is much higher though the amount of deaths is the same - than that it is a pretty big deal. 

 

It's a very good question as to why the infected in the US are apparently experiencing far less severe effects thus far & is a dynamic that could significantly shift the sentiment towards the virus. 

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1 hour ago, TwoMisfits said:

When all this is said and done, hopefully we don't find out that we were off the same 15x multiplier WW...although, even just so far, we're probably already off 2x-3x...

Early result of Wuhan is pointing for about 7-8 more infected than the confirmed by laboratory numbers are telling. Some expert estimate that the US could be around 100k case by now.

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13 minutes ago, grim22 said:

Treasury Secretary warns US could see 20% unemployment rate due to coronavirus, source says

From CNN's Jeremy Diamond

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin warned Republican senators Tuesday that the coronavirus pandemic could drive up US unemployment to 20%, a Republican Senate source told CNN.

Mnuchin's comments came as he urged Republican senators to act on economic stimulus measures totaling $1 trillion designed to avert that kind of worst case scenario.

In the same meeting, Mnuchin also said he is concerned the economic ramifications of the coronavirus pandemic could be worse than the 2008 financial crisis, the source said.

 

I find that hard to believe assuming the virus is contained QUICKLY. The tide needs to have turned by early April and all will return in due time. 

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17 minutes ago, SofNascimento said:

Poor nonsense. 

And one can, at least partially, blame entertainment for this view that our world is fragile. That all it takes is one push and suddenly it's The Last of Us or The Walking Dead.

Between we re gonna get through this with difficulty but it s gonna be ok and a situation like the Walkind Dead, there area about dozens of variations and degrees of other situations and scenarios, but still, lots of them with tragic enough consequences on a big scale.

 

The irony of your comment is like today in Paris, you could have taken a film crew and took fantastic shots of an empty Paris that would have been perfect for your opening shots with an onimous music for your Walking Dead episode happening in Paris.

 

Also, we re living a gigantatic financial crisis but it is barely discussed, one of the biggest in world history.

 

Federal banks are injecting trillions so the system can somewhat survive ... for how long ?

 

" business as usual"

they said ...

 

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I’ve just found out WWE is still going on with no audience and it makes everything uncomfortable.
 

What kind of acting class monologue is going on here?

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, excel1 said:

 

I find that hard to believe assuming the virus is contained QUICKLY. The tide needs to have turned by early April and all will return in due time. 


It’s practically impossible to corral it by April. Might even be literally impossible. 

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10 minutes ago, excel1 said:

What is extremely noteworthy is we have known the case count is much higher than reported for a while. Cases are likely well over 10,000 in US ATM if proper testing was occurring. Yet the death figure is only 110 and severe cases figure is minuscule & that is a massive different from the Italy's and China's of the world.

 

The sentiment surrounding case counts was very rough due to the expected mortality rate but if that isn't holding - the 1.8% is artificially high because you know the case number in reality is much higher though the amount of deaths is the same - than that it is a pretty big deal. 

 

It's a very good question as to why the infected in the US are apparently experiencing far less severe effects thus far & is a dynamic that could significantly shift the sentiment towards the virus. 

You don't think deaths due to complications from coronavirus are undercounted too because of the lack of testing?

 

Also new deaths lag new cases because it takes days to see the impact of the virus on a human life.

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2 minutes ago, Plain Old Tele said:


It’s practically impossible to corral it by April. Might even be literally impossible. 

"Corral" doesn't mean "no more cases". It just has to mean rapidly decreasing. 

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2 minutes ago, excel1 said:

 

I find that hard to believe assuming the virus is contained QUICKLY. The tide needs to have turned by early April and all will return in due time. 

I don't find it hard to believe. There are so many small businesses that run on very tight margins and cannot survive even a 2-3 week shutdown. For example, restaurants and bars. People who work at those will find themselves unemployed rather than furloughed. 

 

Factor in that a more realistic shutdown is months long. Businesses like daycare providers will fold. People are not going to buy durable goods, so car salesmen are in trouble. Recovery is going to take a long time. I think if anything, a 20% unemployment estimate is low.

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