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25 minutes ago, DAJK said:

I don't agree with JB on politics a lot (if ever) but I do think "otherizing" has to stop, from both sides. I identify as a 'leftist, progressive' whatever people would call that (not Democrat with a capital D because I'm not American) but I do find it frustrating when people I consider to be of similar political beliefs as me say things like "god I hope Trudeau fucks this up so everyone can see what a shitty PM he really is". First, uh, why would you want your PM to fuck up a global pandemic in the first place? Second, saying stuff like this makes you look like an idiot, and just gives the other 'side' a chance to try and demoralize you, and that's never good.

 

That being said JB, I don't think any (many?) members on this chat have gone too far, at least compared to some stuff I've been seeing on social media. I think the reactions in this thread to what Trump is doing are fair and justified. 

Absolutely. I just think we have more important things to discuss than Trump's use of Asian Americans. People get so fixated on identity politics and it's frustrating.

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6 minutes ago, filmlover said:

The man has truly lost it now that he can't hold his rallies. 

This is all a pretext to bring them back, isn't it.

 

Can't believe I forgot that angle, even if it's subconscious.  

 

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It's been observed that Trump has been using these pressers as something of a fix (and I tend to agree with that, BTW), and I can just see him jonsin' to be out in a giant MISSION ACCOMPLISHED type rally a couple of weeks from now.

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My theory: Trump hasn't "lost it" per se. He, like most world leaders, is under intense pressure from the real bosses. All the CEO's and big money guys. Of course he's one of those,  but my point is these directives are coming from even higher, not necessarily from Trump himself.

 

This is not a Trump defense in any way shape or form, by the way. He's 100% accountable. I'm.just saying how I think this thing really is.

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Dave Wasserman is one of the furthest things from a partisan hack, IMO.  Tends to make quite a few enemies on Twitter from both the left and the right, FWIW.  

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Well, the bad news is that Trump seems set on steering one of the world’s biggest countries into an unnecessary humanitarian crisis, costing millions of lives. The silver lining is that is will be darkly (like, really darkly) amusing when he does all this shot “for the economy” and GDP and stocks are even worse for it.

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1 minute ago, Porthos said:

 

Dave Wasserman is one of the furthest things from a partisan hack, IMO.  Tends to make quite a few enemies on Twitter from both the left and the right, FWIW.  

This is why this makes so little sense to me. This will only kill more Republicans since Blue states are not going to listen to him anyway. He can hold his rallies and spread the virus amongst his own core fanatics. Is he trying to kills his base? He can stop the international travel bans but it won't change anything since other countries will just ban Americans.

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8 minutes ago, JB33 said:

My theory: Trump hasn't "lost it" per se. He, like most world leaders, is under intense pressure from the real bosses. All the CEO's and big money guys. Of course he's one of those,  but my point is these directives are coming from even higher, not necessarily from Trump himself.

 

This is not a Trump defense in any way shape or form, by the way. He's 100% accountable. I'm.just saying how I think this thing really is.

Even Boris "Herd Immunity" Johnson caved today.

 

This absolute defiance in the face of the facts is something else entirely.

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4 minutes ago, OncomingStorm93 said:

Even Boris "Herd Immunity" Johnson caved today.

 

This absolute defiance in the face of the facts is something else entirely.

It is something else, and it's terrifying.

 

All you can hope is that the American people in turn defy the "back to normal" directives and DON'T go back to work en masse. That will send a message.

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19 minutes ago, JB33 said:

My theory: Trump hasn't "lost it" per se. He, like most world leaders, is under intense pressure from the real bosses. All the CEO's and big money guys. Of course he's one of those,  but my point is these directives are coming from even higher, not necessarily from Trump himself.

 

This is not a Trump defense in any way shape or form, by the way. He's 100% accountable. I'm.just saying how I think this thing really is.

He's under tremendous pressure from some of the Buisness Elite, I would agree.  Laffer in particular was agitating for all of this to be eased over the weekend.

 

But I think there is something else at play and it isn't in the realm of Trump "losing it":

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“President Trump has never been known for his patience or long attention span,” the AP reports.

 

“Now, as the coronavirus crisis threatens his presidency, and upends his campaign for reelection, Trump is rapidly losing patience with the medical professionals who have made the case day after day that the only way to prevent a catastrophic loss of life is to essentially shut down the country — to minimize transmission and ‘flatten the curve’ so hospitals aren’t overwhelmed with critical patients.”

 

“The president also has been furious that his efforts to halt the harrowing drop in the stock market have so far proven ineffective. He has been calling friends and economists at all hours and berated aides and reporters who try to persuade him to recognize the severity of the outbreak.”

Trump's obsession, and yes I use that word judiciously, with the stock market in general and the DJIA in particular is fairly well known.  He really does seem to think that Dow is Up = I did something good and Dow is Down= Makes me look bad.

 

That signing of the chart where the Dow was up 2000 points wasn't some fluke.  He's been constantly trumpeting the stock market as the number one sign that he is a historically great president.   For it to have lost nearly 12,000 points in under a month?  Well I wouldn't say it is making Trump "lose it", but it has to be a wound to his narcissistic ego and one he really can't stand.

 

So in that context, I can see him acting in rash ways that aren't politically or scientifically sound.

 

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Note: The US futures market is up right now (though not by much), and I would be a significant amount of money (say one whole dollar) that Trump is paying very close attention to that over the next hour or so to see how his latest presser is playing out. 

 

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"Laffer" not "Lafner"
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7 minutes ago, Lion Roar said:

This is why this makes so little sense to me. This will only kill more Republicans since Blue states are not going to listen to him anyway. He can hold his rallies and spread the virus amongst his own core fanatics. Is he trying to kills his base? He can stop the international travel bans but it won't change anything since other countries will just ban Americans.

 

6 minutes ago, OncomingStorm93 said:

Even Boris "Herd Immunity" Johnson caved today.

 

This absolute defiance in the face of the facts is something else entirely.

Just look at it as: "Stock Market keeps collapsing; need to do something else" and it might become clearer.

 

Well that and all the voices in his ear telling him to reverse course and that he should do something that he wants to do anyway.  Trump is rather infamous for agreeing with the last person who talked to him about a subject (see all his flip flops in the 2016 campaign for one).  Combine that with Magical Thinking, and, well, might just get this.

 

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Or not.  Trump is pretty mercurial as I said.  Who knows what he'll say tomorrow.

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3 minutes ago, Porthos said:

He's under tremendous pressure from some of the Buisness Elite, I would agree.  Lafner in particular was agitating for all of this to be eased over the weekend.

 

But I think there is something else at play and it isn't in the realm of Trump "losing it":

Trump's obsession, and yes I use that word judiciously, with the stock market in general and the DJIA in particular is fairly well known.  He really does seem to think that Dow is Up = I did something good and Dow is Down= Makes me look bad.

 

That signing of the chart where the Dow was up 2000 points wasn't some fluke.  He's been constantly trumpeting the stock market as the number one sign that he is a historically great president.   For it to have lost nearly 12,000 points in under a month?  Well I wouldn't say it is making Trump "lose it", but it has to be a wound to his narcissistic ego and one he really can't stand.

 

So in that context, I can see him acting in rash ways that aren't politically or scientifically sound.

 

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Note: The US futures market is up right now (though not by much), and I would be a significant amount of money (say one whole dollar) that Trump is paying very close attention to that over the next hour or so to see how his latest presser is playing out. 

 

Hmm, very interesting. I say that because I'm a big believer in obsessions for some people in the most literal sense. If the stock market is an actual, full on obsession for Trump (which, I guess it's obvious it is when I think about it), I can see how this whole thing would make him go nuts inside.

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32 minutes ago, JB33 said:

Absolutely. I just think we have more important things to discuss than Trump's use of Asian Americans. People get so fixated on identity politics and it's frustrating.

 

It's easy to say "it's just identity politics" when you're not on the receiving end of the xenophobia.

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Holy shit, this guy needs to be impeached now. He’s a fucking moron and I feel terrible for all the American people who are led by this idiot. 
 

I hope to god Trudeau doesn’t get bullied by him and keeps our borders closed for months.

 

So far in Canada  we’ve done 102,000 tests with just over 2000 positive cases and many more to come I imagine as we’ve had over 900,000 people return home between March 14-20th. We don’t need more coming over our borders cause Trump cares more about money then his people’s lives. 

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23 minutes ago, Lion Roar said:

This is why this makes so little sense to me. This will only kill more Republicans since Blue states are not going to listen to him anyway. He can hold his rallies and spread the virus amongst his own core fanatics. Is he trying to kills his base? He can stop the international travel bans but it won't change anything since other countries will just ban Americans.

Basically Trump figured out the virus hits cities and blue states the hardest so he's going to let them take the punishment while the rural areas and red states try to return to normal.

 

That way the federal government won't have resort to socialism for workers or emergency funding for blue states.

 

And he can hope rural areas avoid any economic fallout in the meantime until the general election.

 

That's my guess anyway.

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