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Here's the thing about the response to this pandemic.  One can "blame" (read criticize) more than one person/group.

 

Like, we can and should criticize China for its initial response.

Like, we can and should criticize Trump for his initial (and continuing - see below) response.

Like, we can and should criticize de Blasio for his initial response.

And so on and so on.

 

If one puts more "blame" on one person/group than another that doesn't mean one thinks that the others get a pass.

 

I also kinda take into account continuing mess ups.  Okay, fucking up and delaying actions is going to cost lives.  Actively making the situation worse or flat out ignoring what others are doing once they've fucked up will cost even more lives.  Trying to be "Mr/Mrs.. Tough Guy" in the midst of a pandemic... Well, I think one can guess.

 

Conversely, one can applaud folks across the political and global spectrum.  Governor deWine as gotten consistent high marks on this, outside of a botched handing of delaying a primary election.  And that just goes to prove that no one... no one... is going to handle this perfectly.  Because it can't be handled perfectly.  More to the point, deWine is no one's idea of a political moderate, unlike say Gov. Hogan of Maryland, so when he gets high marks I tend to think that shows that competence wins out in emergency.  Gov. Cuomo is in the same boat.  He has a lot of enemies on the political left.  Many of the left are still criticizing some of his actions, even though you wouldn't know it by reading this thread.  Yet by and large he is getting very high marks for his handling of all of this across the political spectrum.

 

I suspect there's a reason both are getting high marks, and it ain't because large numbers of folks already loved them before all of this started.

 

 

 

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I am afraid that Italy will just give up if lockdown proven to be ineffective. 

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It seems like Italy is bending oh-so-slowly in the right direction. Hopefully that picks up as the effects of their lockdown become more prevalent. 

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1 hour ago, narniadis said:

I love how if those of us posters on the more conservative side said anything remotely close to this shite about the liberals (ish) we'd be thread banned or harrassed like crazy. 

Keep drinking your koolaid and assuming with your wide brush that all are the same in any one sense. 

If both liberals and conservatives actually took time to listen and not make assumptions the whole picture of health both physically and mentally around the world would be better. 

That being said, I think I am about done with this site as its it's obviously become a one sided affair before but the virus debacle has made it clear. 

It might seem unfair but the fact is the conservatives have been in full power in the US therefore criticism will fall more at their feet.

 

I don't believe all conservatives are Trump stans but there is a very cult like sect of the Republican base who have been poisoned to think any idea not from Trump is evil and against America.

 

The fact that Trump has made this issue bipartisan is sickening enough. I feel a lot of your anger should be directed at the people who have hijacked the conservative movement to be a Trump cult. Thousands of people are dying and what the world needs is strong leaders who will put away petty politics and stand up for their people. Trump has shown himself to be woefully lacking in any skills to do this.

 

America's healthcare system will collapse if people don't heed the advise of WHO and 95% of all medical and scientific experts.

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As an addendum, as I live in the US and I have to deal with what the Trump Administration is doing far far faaaaaar more than what Xi Jinping is or isn't up to, I think it is natural that right now I'll criticize the Trump Administration for what I see as its at best inept handling of all of this more than I will criticize China for its incompetence.  I have to live with the consequences of one while the other is more academic.

 

Yes it is true that this could have been mitigated quite a bit if they acted differently.  At the same time, same goes for us (us broadly speaking of the USA).  So I know where I'll focus my attention right now.  Partially because it's more immediate and personal, but also because it's the one I can actually influence, if only slightly. 

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6 minutes ago, FilmBuff said:

919 Italians dead. 😢

 

3 minutes ago, titanic2187 said:

I am afraid that Italy will just give up if lockdown proven to be ineffective. 

Vaccine needed in record time and needs to be administered free 🙏

 

Global travel will change permanently - collecting samples at airports, mass transit hubs, border checkpoints funded by massive investment in public health infra.

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42 doctors have passed away, over 6000+ healthcare employees have contracted CV in Italy. Yuck.

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Italy... heart-breaking 😢

 

It seems that even in times of crisis it's hard for people to truly unite. Right now we should be united against this threat that doesn't discriminate and kills many of us without political bias. And yet it seems we aren't. It's useless to play the blame game, what good does that produce?

 

We should rally behind those who act, and help those who are in need, and be grateful for their efforts, and do the same in turn. We should listen and contribute to those who are trying to find a scientific solution to this deadly problem.

 

Because as in all things, actions speak louder than words.

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I just keep coming back to the answer of this question that is on CNN and is one of the first questions answered. I think Western citizens with all our freedoms are having an insanely difficult time coming to grips with the idea that they are going to have to curtial their activities for that long. 

 

How long will we have to keep social distancing?

Probably for several months. But you might have to do it “over and over again,” since the outbreak could come in waves.

Research by the Imperial College in Great Britain “would suggest you have to institute these kinds of measures for five months, very vigorously,” said Dr. Celine Gounder, an infectious disease specialist at Bellevue Hospital Center.

“And then you may be able to relax for a period. And then you would re-institute as the cases go up again. But we’re basically looking at doing this over and over and over again, even after a five-month period of strict social distancing, in order to curb cases until we have a vaccine.”

Health officials say we’re at least a year away from the first publicly available coronavirus vaccine. In the meantime, they say everyone should avoid large crowds and stay at least 6 feet away from others.

 

But it makes sense. China put Wuhan in complete lockdowm (people not being able to leave their living spaces) for 2 months. Western countries are simply not going to impose that type of draconian mitigation measure and a significant portion of the population would not tolerate it anyways. Therefore you have to have a slightly lesser mitigation measure but keep it in place for a longer time period to have a similar effect.

 

Also, I wish the moderators would enforce a strict no politics zone on this thread. Just keep it purely to facts and figures, nothing else. I am tired of the constant political mockery and discussion. Take it to the Politics board. I've already started coming to this board less as it is not as useful as it was a week ago.

 

 
 

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33 minutes ago, Arendelle Legion said:

Case growth in Italy is down again at 5.9k, but we seem to be more hovering in the 5-6 range than really going down, which could indicate reporting bottlenecks. With the news of how much deaths may be underreported I’m feeling quite grim about the situation overall :whosad:

That probably only due too 10% less test result than yesterday (36.6k down to 33k test result)

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The German government has reacted to criticism, particularly from southern Europe, that it has been acting only in its own self-interest since the start of the coronavirus crisis, by increasing its help to the EU’s worst-hit countries.

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A total of 123 intensive care patients suffering from the virus from France and Spain are to be admitted to German hospitals, a spokesman for the foreign ministry has said.

Seventy-three beds have already been made available for Italians with the illness. In addition protective clothing including masks and overalls are on their way to France, Italy, Austria and Switzerland.

 

According to the government’s Europe minister, Michael Roth, 100,000 face masks are being sent to Romania, and 60,000 to Sweden. German foreign minister Heiko Maas said in an interview with the Italian daily Corriere della Sera: “EU solidarity is the order of the day”. He added that last week deliveries of seven tonnes of relief supplies, including ventilation and anaesthetic equipment had already been sent. “And more is to follow,” he said.

 

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Posted (edited)

So, this was short-lived in China...

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/china-shuts-down-all-cinemas-again-1287040

 

Money quote: ""This second closure will not be a one- or two-week issue," an executive at a major exhibition company told The Hollywood Reporter, asking not to be named because of the sensitivity of commenting on government policy related to the coronavirus. "They are going to be even more cautious when they attempt to reopen again — and this will set us back a long time.""

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While I don't like Indian Government at all, I am actually happy with the development. 

 

Yes, cases are increases as testing is also increasing. 

The best thing is that we are already quarantined and most of the Indians are actually following this order. 

 

There are obvious failure to this lockdown but slowly-slowly things are more hopeful. 

 

India can't handle situation like Italy, Spain and USA. We are not capable of that level of management. 

 

🤞🤞

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If Republicans want to fight the coronavirus side by side with Democrats and trascend petty partisanship then that's a beautiful thought.

 

But if they insist on sticking to anti-science small government beliefs during this medical crisis then they deserve to be openly criticized. 

 

They care about the economy? Fine, let's find a scientific solution and use government tools to help populations in distress to minimize the damage.

 

It's not petty politics to demand one side to stop pouring gasoline when everyone else is trying to stop the house from burning down.

 

 

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15 hours ago, PDC1987 said:

Governor Rejects State Lockdown For COVID-19: ‘Mississippi's Never Going to Be China’

 

Gov. Tate Reeves announced that he will not order non-essential Mississippi businesses to close or for Mississippians to "shelter in place" to flatten the curve of the coronavirus. He made it clear that business concerns are keeping him from enacting a consistent policy across Mississippi. Photo: Facebook Live

 

https://www.jacksonfreepress.com/news/2020/mar/23/governor-rejects-state-lockdown-covid-19-mississip/

 

March 24 UPDATE to below story: At a press conference this morning, Gov. Tate Reeves said he's still taking a "Wait and See" approach to a shelter-at-home order. He didn't give details of executive orders he says he plans to sign as Mississippi saw the largest number of confirmed COVID-19 cases in a single day thus far.

 

Meanwhile:

 

Mississippi - 485 Cases |+108 Cases | 5 deaths

Isnt Louisiana next to Mississippi and they are seeing a spike of cases...?

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For people who don't know. Taimur is basically like Prince George. 

He is the son of 2 very famous actors in India. 

 

 

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13 hours ago, Porthos said:

Could be worse.

 

 

More at the link, including some very very familiar sentiments from their president about when all of this will be over.

hey, I already posted that. Don't still my shtick, man!

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