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According to this article the ICU with ventilators are up to 30,000 from 20,000 in Germany now. There are 7,000 hospitalized Corona patients, among them 1,500 in ICU of which 1,100 need ventilators.

 

https://www.focus.de/gesundheit/news/coronavirus-news-trump-befuerchtet-100-000-tote-in-den-usa-nrw-plant-epidemie-gesetz_id_11576018.html

 

And the "cure not worse than the virus"-calls are increasing here too. The government tries stop them with statements that the measures are not to be discussed until 20 April...

 

https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/diskussion-massnahmen-corona-101.html

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11 minutes ago, Aristis said:

According to this article the ICU with ventilators are up to 30,000 from 20,000 in Germany now. There are 7,000 hospitalized Corona patients, among them 1,500 in ICU of which 1,100 need ventilators.

 

https://www.focus.de/gesundheit/news/coronavirus-news-trump-befuerchtet-100-000-tote-in-den-usa-nrw-plant-epidemie-gesetz_id_11576018.html

 

And the "cure not worse than the virus"-calls are increasing here too. The government tries stop them with statements that the measures are not to be discussed until 20 April...

 

https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/diskussion-massnahmen-corona-101.html

I read that too, the only detail that seems strange is, a few weeks they said at the beginning they have 24000 or 25000 with ventilators, forgot the exact number, plus 2 or 3 thousand ICU places somewhat possible = in the sum 27000

 

Sounds good so far? Problem is only for a few hotspot areas, there the capacity is in part full or edging to full.

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5 hours ago, peludo said:

Again, new positive cases drop in both absolute number and daily percentage increase.

 

New positive case or delta in active positive case (death-recovered being removed from them ?)

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16 minutes ago, AndyK said:

If you get hospitalised in the US from COVID-19, will you get a bill at the end of it?

I know that it is normal in the US, here they would get the forks,.... out if they‘d bill workers or their families, the elderlies...

The only ones that have to pay a part here are the self-employed, if their insurance contract includes a yearly ‚self-paying-part‘ (debict... somethin -al?) or if someone wants extra-special treatment, like the boss of the hospital (Professors) or...

Beauty surgeries too are only free if there is a reason, like scars...

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3 hours ago, MadJosh said:

No disrespect but this site is not filled with scientist. They were all uneducated guesses. Anyone who thought 2-4% of the population would pass from the virus clearly didn't know what they were talking about

Fully agreed that a minority of this message board got quite over the top, but that just to remind people how vastly and rapidly perception can be.

 

Debating if it would be terrible if this will kill less in it's first 18 month than what the regular flu could have easily kill over the same period would have been surrealist 2 weeks ago, what changed since ?

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5 minutes ago, terrestrial said:

I know that it is normal in the US, here they would get the forks,.... out if they‘d bill workers or their families, the elderlies...

The only ones that have to pay a part here are the self-employed, if their insurance contract includes a yearly ‚self-paying-part‘ (debict... somethin -al?) or if someone wants extra-special treatment, like the boss of the hospital (Professors) or...

Beauty surgeries too are only free if there is a reason, like scars...

The US could do a lot worse than look at Germany if they wanted to implement a universal healthcare system that is still "notionally" insurance based.

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9 minutes ago, AndyK said:

The US could do a lot worse than look at Germany if they wanted to implement a universal healthcare system that is still "notionally" insurance based.

Or the Swiss (vast majority of Swiss are insured by private insurer, virtually all Swiss are insured), it look a lot like what Biden plan seem to point at.

 

One thing Americans could get rid of, is the strong link they tend to have , if you want private you want less regulation and vice versa, for something like healthcare if you want private to have a place, you must want it to be heavily regulated to have a chance to be popular.

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9 minutes ago, AndyK said:

The US could do a lot worse than look at Germany if they wanted to implement a universal healthcare system that is still "notionally" insurance based.

Not sure if true, but ours might be the oldest worldwide? At first for workers in the trades, then more and broader...

~ 1890, Otto von Bismarck was the one who pushed for, and .... implemented (term?) it. And that beside he was a very staunch conservative, as I guess all Europeans here will agree to (I am not a fan).

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56 minutes ago, AndyK said:

If you get hospitalised in the US from COVID-19, will you get a bill at the end of it?

My friend just posted this on FB (he is in Texas)

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How much does it cost to be hospitalized for COVID-19?

 

Because of our fragmented health care system, it depends on what kind of insurance you have, what your plan’s benefits are, and how much of your deductible you’ve already paid down.

 

A new analysis from the Kaiser Family Foundation estimates that the average cost of COVID-19 treatment for someone with employer insurance—and without complications—would be about $9,763. Someone whose treatment has complications may see bills about double that: $20,292. (The researchers came up with those numbers by examining average costs of hospital admissions for people with pneumonia.)

https://time.com/5806312/coronavirus-treatment-cost/

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So much confusion in here about the flu data. Here are the CDC estimates by mathematical modeling of flu-related deaths in the US:

 

influenza-burden-chart2-960px.jpg

 

2018-19 preliminary estimates 34,157

2017-18 preliminary estimates 61,000

2016-17 estimates 38,000

2015-16 estimates 23,000

2014-15 estimates 51,000

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

 

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Dr. Anthony Fauci said based on modeling of the current pace of the coronavirus' spread in the U.S., "between 100,000 and 200,000" people may die from COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus.
 

Fauci said the 100,000-to-200,000 death figure is a middle-of-the-road estimate, much lower than worse-case-scenario predictions.

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/29/823517467/fauci-estimates-that-100-000-to-200-000-americans-could-die-from-the-coronavirus

That number (100,000 - 200,000) is 3 times the average flu-related deaths per year for the past 5 years (41,000). The number even factors in shelter-in-place and social distancing measures put in place. Should it not be alarming? COVID-19 is much more lethal than the flu even with stringent lockdown measures.

 

 

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1 hour ago, AndyK said:

If you get hospitalised in the US from COVID-19, will you get a bill at the end of it?

Yes. For many people it will be a rather large bill. My insurance coverage caps it at $6,000 out of pocket. Some have flat co-pays of 10% or 20%. Some have an out of pocket amount that must be fully reached, and then a flat percentage co-pay on anything over that. Those with no or really crappy insurance will pay a whole lot more.

 

For reference, I had to take my youngest to ER because he started coughing up blood in early February, after being sick for almost a week. We were there about four or five hours. They ran tests for the flu and strep throat, did a chest x-ray and he was examined by a doctor. He came back positive for influenza B and the doctor suspected he was fighting an unidentified respiratory virus as well because his cough was much worse than one would expect from the flu. They administered an oral steroid to help his lungs, and a dose of Tylenol (we'd been giving him that at home around the clock, but we were there long enough to need another dose).

 

The total bill for that trip to ER was about $2,000. Someone who is uninsured and spends days in the ICU, on a ventilator, etc. will be looking at massive medical bills. Expect them to be billed $5,000 to $10,000 for each day of care.

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2 hours ago, Hatebox said:

Hungary's leader certainly isn't letting this crisis go to waste - the country is now to all intents and purposes totalitarian:

 

Very Middle Eastern and pre-1970 Europe...

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4 minutes ago, Neucentro said:

So much confusion in here about the flu data.

By now, really ? There is a lot of confusion about that a bad year can go to 60K and the average around 30K ?

 

5 minutes ago, Neucentro said:

The number even factors in shelter-in-place and social distancing measures put in place.

I doubt they factors nationwide unstop shelter in place until a vaccine or do they ?

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2 minutes ago, Barnack said:

 

 

I doubt they factors nationwide unstop shelter in place until a vaccine or do they ?

They have to because the estimate was based on the current pace of COVID-19 deaths under lockdowns and social distancing .

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1 hour ago, AndyK said:

If you get hospitalised in the US from COVID-19, will you get a bill at the end of it?

Depends, lot of them weill be an elderly under Medicare:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/business/coronavirus-medicare-elderly.html

 

Do you not have an private insurance and covered by Medicaid ?

 

If not I imagine it depend of your health insurance particular.

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20 minutes ago, Neucentro said:

They have to because the estimate was based on the current pace of COVID-19 deaths under lockdowns and social distancing .

Source ?

 

The estimate is based on a unstop/nationwide lockdown until the end of the pandemy ?

 

The median time between getting infected and dying of COVID is above 20 days I think (5-8 days being the norm between infection and first symptoms and 18 between first symptoms and death being around the standard), pretty much all the deaths that have occured in the USA are from people that have contracted the virus before any lock down was put in place no ? When they contracted it, there was still campaign on twitter telling people to encourage their local restaurant in New York because it was still widely believed that this was fear mongering and xenophobia.

 

I would imagine it is base on something more complex than just extrapolating from last week deaths. You need to wait 20-35 days after lockdown measure are put in place to look what they do to reduce deaths (people from the Diamond princess cruise ship are still dying, to give an example of how long between getting infected and dying it can be) and at least 12 days to be able to see impact on new cases (if we look in Italy-Hubai example of the past).

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I meant to say "based on the current pace of spread", not deaths.

 

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Dr. Anthony Fauci said based on modeling of the current pace of the coronavirus' spread in the U.S., "between 100,000 and 200,000" people may die from COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/29/823517467/fauci-estimates-that-100-000-to-200-000-americans-could-die-from-the-coronavirus

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