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1 minute ago, cdsacken said:

Lmao hells no!

 

I tried to tell people about this a month ago. The people I loathe listening too are very close to policy. Everything is always subject to change but America pushing through. 

 

For the record IF I had a choice (I'm irrelevant) I would want all states closed till 5/11 and I would want testing increased 200-300%.

 

My team of 11 I will push so hard to continue working remote. I will have to take this risk but why them? They don't need to.

 

Irony is that reopening won't be the quick fix for the economy that Trump thinks it is.

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44 minutes ago, Porthos said:

 

 

Is Trump bipolar, tripolar or gazillionpolar? 

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1 minute ago, bladels said:

Is Trump bipolar, tripolar or gazillionpolar? 

Nope he wants cover if Georgia death rate sky rockets. If it doesn't he gets the credit

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Mexico over 1,000 cases today and second day in a row over 100 deaths. Definitely looking like one of the next big hotspots

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46 minutes ago, Killimano3 said:

Mexico over 1,000 cases today and second day in a row over 100 deaths. Definitely looking like one of th

I have a feeling it will get much worse as they were very late in shutting things down.

 

 

India seems to be flatting the curve though

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2 hours ago, cdsacken said:

Nope he wants cover if Georgia death rate sky rockets. If it doesn't he gets the credit

Bingo, it was reported earlier today that both Trump and Pence called Kemp last night and told him they supported his move.

Once Kemp started getting alot of fire Trump dumped him just like he dumps anyone that appears to be a negative.

 

FWIW, most businesses in GA are not expecting to open. Almost every restaurant owner that was interviewed said they didn't plan to open their restaurants to dine in. Said they will continue to do take out and delivery until health officials say it is safe to resume operations. Some mentioned they didn't want to restart in-restaurant dining because they didn't think it was safe for their employees or customers and if they re-opened and then employees didn't want to come in their employees would lose unemployment.

 

There is one drive-in movie theater that did open tonight though. No snack stand open and people have to stay in their cars.

https://starlightdrivein.com/nowplaying/

 

My own company (a large financial services company) sent out an email this afternoon saying their were no changes in their work plans. Anyone capable of working from home will continue to work from home. Teammates who are public facing will continue to use masks and gloves and employ social distancing strategies.

 

Every church that I know of so far is also still planning on sticking with online services only. The Bishop of AME churches told all 300 not to hold in-person services.

 

Basically, the Governor made his order, but the majority are just going to ignore it. There will be some businesses that open, but I suspect overall their business is going to be small and it certainly is not going to open up the economy in any way.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, RamblinRed said:

Bingo, it was reported earlier today that both Trump and Pence called Kemp last night and told him they supported his move.

Once Kemp started getting alot of fire Trump dumped him just like he dumps anyone that appears to be a negative.

 

FWIW, most businesses in GA are not expecting to open. Almost every restaurant owner that was interviewed said they didn't plan to open their restaurants to dine in. Said they will continue to do take out and delivery until health officials say it is safe to resume operations. Some mentioned they didn't want to restart in-restaurant dining because they didn't think it was safe for their employees or customers and if they re-opened and then employees didn't want to come in their employees would lose unemployment.

 

There is one drive-in movie theater that did open tonight though. No snack stand open and people have to stay in their cars.

https://starlightdrivein.com/nowplaying/

 

My own company (a large financial services company) sent out an email this afternoon saying their were no changes in their work plans. Anyone capable of working from home will continue to work from home. Teammates who are public facing will continue to use masks and gloves and employ social distancing strategies.

 

Every church that I know of so far is also still planning on sticking with online services only. The Bishop of AME churches told all 300 not to hold in-person services.

 

Basically, the Governor made his order, but the majority are just going to ignore it. There will be some businesses that open, but I suspect overall their business is going to be small and it certainly is not going to open up the economy in any way.

 

 

Haha I work for a medium sized financial services company. Just left one of the biggest in the world.

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America’s addiction to mass incarceration could almost double its number of deaths from coronavirus, with jails acting as incubators of the disease and spreading a further 100,000 fatalities across the US.

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The startling warning comes from groundbreaking modeling by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and academic researchers, released on Wednesday.

 

The analysis found that unless instant action is taken to reduce jail populations, a terrible price will be paid. Jails, which house men and women not yet convicted, will act as mass vectors of the contagion.

 

As many as 99,000 more people could die in the US as a result of the virus being contracted behind jail walls, the study predicts. Of those, 23,000 are projected to succumb behind bars and 76,000 in surrounding communities as a result of inmates spreading the virus upon release.

 

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On 4/22/2020 at 4:12 AM, a2k said:

India, new cases last 10 days:

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India, new cases last 10 days:

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18 minutes ago, RamblinRed said:

 

Basically, the Governor made his order, but the majority are just going to ignore it. There will be some businesses that open, but I suspect overall their business is going to be small and it certainly is not going to open up the economy in any way.

Reposting this here, does this sound right to you?

 

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7 hours ago, Porthos said:

Positive tests?  Better get that info out there so trackers know how many folks are currently infected.

Negative tests?  Nah, we're good, brah.  We'll get that info out to the nerds when we feel like it.

 

(yes, I AM mocking California's attitude toward diligent reporting, in case it wasn't clear)

We had the same case here in Austria ... it was mostly small labs who reported all positive tests as soon as they got the results but didn't bother to report negative cases. Those were later added on a single day, so Austria, which atm tests around 3.000 people a day, had a single day with >30.000 tests. When you look at those reports, the date of tests and/or deaths is always the one when something gets reported. If someone dies on Monday but it gets reported as a Covid19 death only two days later, it will be in Wedneday's numbers.

In many countries, you'll see tests and deaths drop during weekends. Doh - while labs are working 24/7, the ones doing the collecting and reporting still take their days off!

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https://deadline.com/2020/04/film-tv-production-allowed-to-resume-in-sweden-denmark-with-coronavirus-measures-in-place-says-local-producer-1202914835/

 

Sweden & Denmark To Resume Film & TV Production; Read The Wide-Ranging Coronavirus Rules

 

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Film and TV shoots could soon be back underway in two Euro countries, Sweden and Denmark, with a local producer penning a guide that it says allows production to resume.

Hobby Film, which specializes in commercials, published the notice, titled “The New Rulebook: Guidelines for Film Production in Sweden and Denmark,” on its website. The company said that at present there were no specific government guidelines in place for the film and TV industries regarding resuming shoots, but that its guide was compiled from broader applicable rules that apply to all work environments in the countries.

 

The notice says that Sweden, which imposed one of the softest lockdowns in Europe, is now allowing film shoots of up to 50 people. It also claims that Denmark allowed production to resume April 14.

There is a lengthy list of procedures for producers to follow to ensure that sets meet COVID-19 related requirements. They include enabling required social distancing of 2 meters between each individual on set, meaning leaner crews and necessitating that different departments work sequentially. It adds that, for interior shoots, every person inside at any one time requires 4 meters squared of personal space, and that larger crowd scenes requiring close proximity are not possible at present, though smaller gatherings are fine.

 

The group estimates that the smaller crews and sequential workflow “will cause a small decrease in productivity. We estimate this at about 10%,” according to the site.

The guide says that all people on set are required to adhere to health measures to minimize the spread of the virus. Alcohol hand sanitzer must be provided at all entry points and common areas, and information on proper hand hygiene must be distributed. Regular set cleaning needs to take place, and any workstation used by more than one person must be cleaned in between transfer. Anyone displaying coronavirus symptoms is not permitted on set. Masks must also be provided for any occasion when social distancing measures are difficult to maintain consistently.

 

Practical measures suggested for producers include making actors sanitize prior to scenes involving physical contact, limiting the number of crew in close proximity to key personnel (it lists camera operator, focus puller and sound recordist in spaces of less than 20m2), providing all food individually and having no self-service stands such as coffee stations, and restricting hair and make-up and styling to featured cast only.

 

Casting should be handled over video conference or tapes, it adds, and the casting of families should use real families when possible. Anyone in a group deemed to be at-risk should not be cast (it says in practicality this is anyone over 70, but notes that it does not want to discriminate on the basis of age).

Additional measures, which the producer says go beyond government guidelines, include utilizing masks widely on sets, and increased ventilation of interior spaces.

 

The guide adds that at present it is permitted to film in public spaces in Sweden, while Denmark requires police approval as there is a restriction on public gatherings above 10 people (though this does not apply to work). Hobby Film said that the guide covers both countries, with the more stricter guideline employed when local advice differs between the two nations.

 

It is not immediately clear if any significant film shoots have resumed in either of the two countries, though Deadline is in touch with local producers to see when they expect to resume. However, any suggestion that film and TV production may at some point in the near future get back underway, with appropriate coronavirus related precautions, will be welcome news for out of work crew around the world.

 

 

 

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I don't get why so many are dying in care homes, if they are that sick, shouldn't they be in hospital?

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https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/brasilien-coronakrise-101.html

 

German article about the coronavirus crisis in Brazil. It seems cases and deaths there are heavily underreported. The article speaks of mass graves in Manaus, many dead people are not beeing tested and those who die at home are not counted at all. Seems the situation there is very bad.

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The true scale is starting to show in the increase in total deaths from March 2019 to March 2020 in many places. This is already being seen in New York, Italy, France, UK etc. Even in Brazil this will start to show up. 
 

April numbers will unfortunately look even worse. 
 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html

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2 hours ago, AndyK said:

I don't get why so many are dying in care homes, if they are that sick, shouldn't they be in hospital?

People are not neccessarily visibly sick before they die. An explanation might be, that the virus seems to be able to attack the nervous system and the brain as well, and so might cause apnea.

 

It's not that every resident has a cough, high fever or pneumonia, there are also reports of people dying without typical symptoms.

That might especially happen with weakened patients. The amount of people in a care home with underlying conditions is certainly the highest you can meet on a single spot.

 

Overall, it needs more research to completely understand the virus.

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9 hours ago, MrGlass2 said:

Reposting this here, does this sound right to you?

 

 

in all honesty, no.

IMO that is a very liberal biased viewpoint and the actual motivation is not the main driver portrayed in that opinion article.

The main driver is much more simple. GA is a realtively conservative state. It has been hit very hard financially, as one of the larger unemployment claims numbers in the country right now.

 

It has alot more to do with the fact that there are alot of people who think they should be able to have their business open and they are the ones who have the Governor's ear. Of course what they aren't grasping is that the economy is not going to just snap back once you open your store. You can open your store, but that doesn't mean your customers are coming back.

 

I'd also add that as a conservative state GA has alot more people that believe in individualism over government. That people have a right to make their own decisions and not be 'told' what to do by the government. I tend to lead toward letting individuals make decisions, but unlike most in that crowd, i'm not naturally opposed to listening to experts and am actually one to believe them. But that is a much bigger factor than anything mentioned in that opinion article.

 

That article is just one more demonstration of how either end of the political spectrum can twist the facts on the ground to create the narrative they want to spread. It's basically why we currently have 2 diametrically opposed extreme parties in the US and why I, as a moderate, am very pessimistic about America's future right now as I simply see no way forward where America gets back to discussing (but not screaming) with each other to try to solve issues. The American form of government is based on the idea of compromise, but neither end of the political spectrum has any motivation or desire to do so.

 

There are a couple of other boards I am discussing COVID19 on. I am talking to very highly educated people (college graduate+) who are often running their own businesses. Many have the view that I discuss above, that the Government does not have a right to tell them whether they can be open or closed, that that is their individual right as an American to decide. It tends to be about 50/50 on those boards on whether the Government is overrreaching. They largely believe the Government has a right to provide guidelines about what they do to be open (what sort of precautions are required), but they as the business owner have the right to decide whether they are open or closed as they are the one taking on that risk, not the government.

 

 

 

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