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20 hours ago, cdsacken said:

If it's more contagious then we should have at least the same amount with the flu yes?

You are making one mistake in your arguments, no one tries to contain the flu, there is a vaccine so nothing happens and it just spreads without stoping unless it reaches someone that got vaccinated. And a lot of people don't get the flu vaccine.

Someone that has Corona is put into quarantine as soon as possible, which means less people will get infected in that case. The R0 are referring to how many person will be infected without anyone interfering and should always been taken with a gran of salt.

 

The R0 number for the measles is something above 15 (most of the times said to be between 12 and 18), means it spreads insanely fast but as more than 95% are vaccinated (at least in Germany, scandinavia etc.) an outbreak will most of the time stay really small and infect less than 1000 people and almost all of these are part of groups that decided to not vaccinate because of religious bullshit (sorry, but that is the truth) or some conspiracy theories etc. but considering less and less people are getting the vaccine the measles slowly are making a return (Smallpox has 5-7, while Ebola has 1,5-2,5 and MERS below 0.8).

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Geez.. 

America is so backward. 

 

No paid sick leave. 

No paternity leave. 

No Government Healthcare facilities. 

Tremendous Education loans. 

 

No wonder government is inefficient to fight the virus. 

America is right leaning country. Hardcore Capitalism. 

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18 minutes ago, Madhuvan said:

America is right leaning country. Hardcore Capitalism. 

It is far from Singapore and other more capitalist place.

 

Top 10 ranking of the most capitalist country in 2017:

According to the 2017 Economic Freedom of the World Index, the top 10 capitalist countries (ranked from highest score to lowest):

  1. Hong Kong
  2. Singapore
  3. New Zealand
  4. Switzerland
  5. Australia
  6. Ireland
  7. Estonia
  8. United Kingdom
  9. Canada
  10. United Arab Emirates

 

USA talk a lot about it but then to always score quite low in all economic freedom world ranking, the % of it's economy that is behind strict regulation and hard for competition to enter in them freely is really high.

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4 minutes ago, Barnack said:

 

USA talk a lot about it but then to always score quite low in all economic freedom world ranking, the % of it's economy that is behind strict regulation and hard for competition to enter in them freely is really high.

That might also be because of federalism and local governance.

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Country

Italy

Germany

France

Spain

USA

Starting date

27th Feb

7th March

6th March

8th March

9th March

 

650

684*

613

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614

 

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847*

949

1231

927

 

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Starting date means the day it had around 600-700 cases.

*8am CET, **9pm CET due to the NRW (more than 40% of all cases) not reporting cases to RKI so based on data collected by the local health institutes for each state.

*** that looks too low.

Shows that Germany and France roughly follow Italy as does the USA and Spain is having higher increases.

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And Trump doubles down on his "Virus is no big thing" view

 

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/11/trump-emergency-declaration-coronavirus-message-125902

 

Won't get into a debate about whether declaring a National Emergency is a good idea or not, but Trump's reason for not doing it is just incredibly stupid and selfish. The man is a psychopath.

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3 hours ago, Cynosure said:

Hence why I mentioned the "true mortality rate". Because it includes asymptomatic cases. 

 

The peer-reviewed academic estimates I've seen for the "true" CFR is between 0.3%- 1%, taking into account both asymptomatic cases and the fact that some people among current cases haven't died yet.

Admittedly, that estimate might be dated now, but do you have an academic source to support your lower numbers?

Testing in South Korea has been very extensive by the way. There isn't anyone credible, to my knowledge, who thinks that they've missed three quarters or more of the cases there.

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5 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

The peer-reviewed academic estimates I've seen for the "true" CFR is between 0.3%- 1%, taking into account both asymptomatic cases and the fact that some people among current cases haven't died yet.

Admittedly, that estimate might be dated now, but do you have an academic source to support your lower numbers?

Testing in South Korea has been very extensive by the way. There isn't anyone credible, to my knowledge, who thinks that they've missed three quarters or more of the cases there.

It's near 0.8% case fatality rate in South Korea now, so the lower end of that range is probably dated.

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Italy extends lockdown measures

Italians are facing up to yet more stringent measures designed to combat the outbreak after learning on Monday they would be placed in lockdown conditions. The country’s prime minister, Giuseppe Conte, has now said shops – barring supermarkets, food stores and chemists – will be shut down, while companies must close all their departments that are not essential to production.

Services such as hairdressers and beauty parlours will also be closed, along with bars and restaurants that cannot guarantee they can keep a distance of at least one metre between customers. Referring to the daily bulletins announcing the number of new cases and deaths, Conte said:

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Trump to address the nation tonight. If you have a BS meter, turn if off or it will explode.

The March Madness without an audience is huge. That will bring home to a lot of people how serious this is. The cheering crowds add a lot to the excitement; in fact, the games will be about as interesting to watch as a game of tiddlywinks without it.  

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