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23 minutes ago, terrestrial said:

Again: you focus on one sentence

Again: you expect them to be used to non-scientific journalists or worse.

 

If you discuss at university with a professor something, he/she will answer in a way the layman wont understand correctly, especilly if said layman jumps on one detail.

 

Yes, they will probably in the future more look out for people helping them with their statements, but no, its not them aiming for 

 

its the inability of others to read the whole text, and the inability to pick and send journalists with a certain knowledge basic, interested into their work (that might have asked for a qualification, if they thought its too difficult to understand for the few people usually reading the WHO statements), instead of the nowadays way too usual propaganda / fire starter... by the news-outlets.

 

Too many seem to be used to the (too often not neutral) laymen versions, try to imagine you send a fashion specialist to a classic car specialists, the question asked (in a try to ask ‘something’ for an article), the answers given (in a try to be understood), none will be what you are maybe used to, nothing will be 100% unambiguously

 

 

 

I would say WHO needs to fire their communication team after this is over. 

 

Cant be an effective group if you keep giving unclear guidance. 

 

I dont hate the WHO, I just think they can be far better and they need to be. 

 

Like everyone i know is just confused as well "can you get Corona again? does wearing a mask help?"  Find people are just going with "i will go with what i think makes sense" instead. 

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What will children of the lockdown be called?

 

Coronababies?

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1 hour ago, AndyK said:

You know they said these lockdowns will produce a lot of divorces and a lot of babies......😂 

 

I'm going to be a grandad.


Congrats!

 

I feel like “Corona” is a lovely name that works for any gender.

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7 minutes ago, Lordmandeep said:

I would say WHO needs to fire their communication team after this is over. 

 

Cant be an effective group if you keep giving unclear guidance. 

 

I dont hate the WHO, I just think they can be far better and they need to be. 

 

Like everyone i know is just confused as well "can you get Corona again? does wearing a mask help?"  Find people are just going with "i will go with what i think makes sense" instead. 

 

I think you overestimate the size and possibilities of their ‘speaker’ team, and underestimate for how many very different areas the WHO is working for / looking out for,.... Also how small their budget for all of their areas is, out of how many countries (and languages) the staff is based on, live in,....

 

They will give as long ‘unclear’ advice as long there is nothing scientific proven existing

 

Mask help or not... it was all explained:

it depends which kind of mask for what it helps, and for long.

 

Some are only shielding against infection for 15 minutes, afterwards they help the risk for others, but only to a degree.

But if taken of in the wrong way, it increases the danger instead of helping,....

 

Multi-use versions: 

again, at first it had to be used and later correctly taking of, correctly clean and disinfect with the correct agents - for the correct long time - and stored in the correct way, in a virus free room, yes, then it works.

One mistake, ups, wrong statement.

 

There are rather different general versions, some are not suited for people who have a problem with their lungs or heart already, even if those are the ones that would need them the most.

 

Then there is the problem the countries have rather differing systems in declaring what which mask has to filter, for how long,...

 

How to differentiate in a statement, if I‘d need a 30 pages text to only list the different systems, why they work how for long under which circumstances, and that would not even include how to store them.

 

Btw, way more people are allergic against latex as they are aware off, means there it the next problem, if you find a multi-use mask, does not mean you can even use it.

 

For a ‚real‘ protection your eyes have to be enclosed too, but some at least do not allow to wear glasses. 

 

Lots of the ‚real‘ masks have plexi-glass similar materials, the usual disinfection agents are damaging plexi-glass... So, how would a private person disinfect it?

 

But:

they also have to take into account possible panic, over-reactions, inability of civilians to correctly weigh up between civil use and professional use (and a lot of the more financial secure people already did a lot of damage by buying away items the pros urgently need, only for them not even using the items in a secure way).

 

And then:

what do you think who sends them to their positions?

How much pressure, lobbying behind the scene happens based on how the WHO is financed and so on?

 

Btw, the parent organization is.... the United Nations Economic and Social Council

 

Its not one thing, their 34 ~control team‘s boss is actual a former (political) health minister. Of Ethiopia.

That are the persons that count as health specialists, who decide about how the budget gets spend

 

If you read though the first part, see how many hints about part of..., relies on...., are there to read, 6 different semi-seperat working organisations, 150 regional ... forgot the word.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization

 

governed by

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Assembly

 

What too is probably not unimportant, they mostly work in prevention, education, vaccines missions, ... the majority being long running goals, afterwards reports, analysis for the future.

 

They do have people for pandemic, but that is only a small part.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, AndyK said:

What will children of the lockdown be called?

 

Coronababies?

 

High probability

 

Maybe Sarsbabies? 👶 

 

Prisonbabies? 👶 

 

non-distancing babies 👶 

 

too near distance babies 👶 

 

cabin fever babies 👶 

 

we will see?

 

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It's amazing what you find out about yourself, in a global pandemic 😊. Before the pandemic, I was walking about 3-4 miles a day, and still not dropping enough weight. The nationwide shutdown added an extra 1-2 miles of daily walking, and I dropped that extra weight that I couldnt seem to lose 😊. Now I realize exactly how much daily walking I need. After the pandemic, I'll be looking for a treadmill machine, to do that extra 2 miles at home.

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4 minutes ago, OdinSon2k14 said:

It's amazing what you find out about yourself, in a global pandemic 😊. Before the pandemic, I was walking about 3-4 miles a day, and still not dropping enough weight. The nationwide shutdown added an extra 1-2 miles of daily walking, and I dropped that extra weight that I couldnt seem to lose 😊. Now I realize exactly how much daily walking I need. After the pandemic, I'll be looking for a treadmill machine, to do that extra 2 miles at home.

that‘s really cool, congrats to you too!

 

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38 minutes ago, OdinSon2k14 said:

It's amazing what you find out about yourself, in a global pandemic 😊. Before the pandemic, I was walking about 3-4 miles a day, and still not dropping enough weight. The nationwide shutdown added an extra 1-2 miles of daily walking, and I dropped that extra weight that I couldnt seem to lose 😊. Now I realize exactly how much daily walking I need. After the pandemic, I'll be looking for a treadmill machine, to do that extra 2 miles at home.

 

Thing about working out, you need to increase it once you get used to it.

 

Before i was doing 40 mins of treadmill then it became easy so i did kettlebells after. Lost 2 kilos in a week. 

 

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2 hours ago, AndyK said:

What will children of the lockdown be called?

 

Coronababies?

Coronnials.

 

Or Coronaboomers. Or Pandeemies.

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Great day for US testing. Over 250k tests and just under 11% positive. 

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Death rates increase in many countries during the pandemic. I would like to see someone do a similar analysis on the US.

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As of April 22, 2020, the average daily death toll due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) in the U.S. was over 700 since the occurrance of the first case on February 15th. Based on data from 2019, almost 8,000 people die every day in the United States from all causes. During the 2018-2019 (October to April) influenza season, around 161 people died daily on average from influenza. Taking the latest numbers into account, it seems that at this moment almost one out of three deaths in the United States every day have involved COVID-19.

covid-19-daily-deaths-compared-to-all-ca

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109281/covid-19-daily-deaths-compared-to-all-causes/

 

Average daily death toll in 2019 is ~8,000.

Average daily Covid19-related death toll over the last 7 days is ~2,000.

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Neucentro said:

Death rates increase in many countries during the pandemic. I would like to see someone do a similar analysis on the US.

 

 

Those stats for sure look impressive, but for further interpretation, we have to look back at them at the end of the year to fully understand the impact of the virus. 

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I used to say that in 4th grade.

 

"But Mum, im working hard, im the hardest working student! In school! Everyday i learn for school!"

 

Trump is such a whiny brat.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Neucentro said:

Death rates increase in many countries during the pandemic. I would like to see someone do a similar analysis on the US.

 

This is 2020 weekly deaths in the USA (week 15 being the april 6-12, it do take a good time before they are officially 100% counted)

2020 1 59146
2020 2 59194
2020 3 57668
2020 4 57065
2020 5 56529
2020 6 57136
2020 7 56339
2020 8 56039
2020 9 55638
2020 10 55173
2020 11 53239
2020 12 53130
2020 13 55778
2020 14 60195
2020 15 55773

 

Vs first 15 weeks of 2019:

2019 1 58291
2019 2 58353
2019 3 58194
2019 4 57837
2019 5 58129
2019 6 58493
2019 7 57917
2019 8 57858
2019 9 57922
2019 10 58508
2019 11 57898
2019 12 57089
2019 13 56672
2019 14 56596
2019 15 55481

 

Vs first 15 weeks of 2018:

 

2018 1 66134
2018 2 67495
2018 3 64647
2018 4 62780
2018 5 60974
2018 6 61110
2018 7 59779
2018 8 57793
2018 9 56692
2018 10 57093
2018 11 56326
2018 12 55766
2018 13 54918
2018 14 55294
2018 15 55228

 

Average death in the first 15 weeks of

2018: 59.5K 

2019: 57.7K

2020: 56.5K

 

Has far of recorded death nation wide the USA was still experienced a lower than usual death rate because I imagine of the locked in place scenario and the fact that few of the country has a whole had an issue by April 12.

 

The person above should have compared with what the graph look like for the worst season of the flu, not just to the average.

 

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

 

There is a lot of country that achieved to not have registered global mortality go above (or that much above) their worst recent flu season.

 

According to the graph:

Austria, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Luxembourg, Malta, Norway, Portugal, like the USA do seem to have yet to record an elevated death totals.

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So my school just increased tuition rates for any online classes being taken during the pandemic... which is bullshit all the classes are this summer term is a weekly youtube video, and bi-weekly online exams.

 

Oh, and the fees for the Student Union inexplicably increased... even though the description says they are paying for "on-campus activities that benefit the experience of our students". I literally feel like I'm being robbed. 

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27 minutes ago, Barnack said:

 

 

 

There is a lot of country that achieved to not have registered global mortality go above (or that much above) their worst recent flu season.

 

 

 

Any country would have achieved that, had they been lucky enough to be warned. It's not that tough to get rid of a virus. Technically. No host, no survival, it's as simple as that. If the whole world, every person, locked themselves at home for 3 weeks, it would be over. 

 

So well, yeah, there are countries that don't look worse than during flu season, but we paid a huge price for that and will be paying for months to come. The flu, finally, needs to be left out of that discussion. It was a hope for many, also for me, when it all started. Reality proved us all wrong. 

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32 minutes ago, DAJK said:

So my school just increased tuition rates for any online classes being taken during the pandemic... which is bullshit all the classes are this summer term is a weekly youtube video, and bi-weekly online exams.

 

Oh, and the fees for the Student Union inexplicably increased... even though the description says they are paying for "on-campus activities that benefit the experience of our students". I literally feel like I'm being robbed. 

 

I think this might end up being the reality for a lot of universities. Can't speak for yours, but I know a lot of the revenue coming into mine is from international students and with the whole COVID situation, that revenue stream has been abruptly cut off.

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22 hours ago, a2k said:

India, new cases last 10 days:

1835 - Sat, April 25

1408

1667

1290

1537

1235

1580 Sun

1370 Sat

920

1059

India, new cases last 10 days:

1607 - Sun, April 26

1835

1408

1667

1290

1537

1235

1580 Sun

1370 Sat

920

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