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14 minutes ago, Lordmandeep said:

Well Its a privacy issue but I do find it odd how many third world countries have developed sophisticated Apps for Corona but we have not or its taking forever. 

Cellphone use in third world country are often more advanced, they did not had regular copper cable communication infrastructure so everything go through them, use of pixmap for example was quite advanced (to support regular flip phone) when it stayed here just a funny time to time little plus in first world country.

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9 hours ago, A Marvel Fanboy said:

this time it is impossible for China to be involved with investigation. no matter how the world comment and how many people die from the virus.

I am pretty sure they already are, how would it be possible to investigate something in China, without China being involved ?

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20 minutes ago, Barnack said:

Cellphone use in third world country are often more advanced, they did not had regular copper cable communication infrastructure so everything go through them, use of pixmap for example was quite advanced (to support regular flip phone) when it stayed here just a funny time to time little plus in first world country.

 

 

Not to go off topic but as a person who deals with other countries (offshore) and Canada in a corporate setting.

 

In Canada we have developed well run systems but the new technology is better but cost money. So many places run legacy systems and continue to do so. 

 

In other countries were a  corporate culture evolved recently, they just used new technology from the start and its easy to switch to newer tech.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Jason said:


December 27. If confirmed to be a true positive, it's not inconsistent with what we know - as in the United States, weaknesses in testing in Jan/Feb meant many early cases were missed. But it does go some way to explaining how the outbreak got so big in Europe without having to invoke a higher R0.

Earlier than late December would be surprising, since both the earliest Wuhan cases and the molecular clock data are suggestive of an outbreak origin in early December. (The earliest case was November 17, but community spread in early Decembe. It would be improbable but not impossible for a jump to Europe or somewhere else in the world to occur before there where hundreds of cases in Wuhan, which would probably have been around late December.)
 

 

It's almost certainly true that mask wearing and other protective measures reduce not only the risk of infection, but the risk of severe infection if infection does occur. So wider availability of surgical masks (and requiring that they are worn) could be a factor in the decision to re-open.

But I think ultimately the decision to (mostly) re-open should be based on whether we can test and trace cases well enough so that the vast majority of infections will be isolated.

In Ontario, we're getting close to there from a testing standpoint - positive test rate is about 2.5%-3%, close to the 2% that was achieved in Taiwan when they were able to contain their outbreak without resorting to lockdowns.

But I think the government should be looking into what Australia and New Zealand are doing with regards to a contact-tracing app - comprehensive contact-tracing is a very important part of the strategy that allows for containment while removing most restrictions. Traditional methods are very, very labour-intensive and also rely on the frailties of human memory, so I'm not sure they will be enough given the scale of this outbreak and the high transmissibility of this virus.

Getting people to use the app is the problem.

 

Some people have got it in their heads that their government is out to get them.

 

I would make it conditional that people can't leave their homes without having a tracker on their phones and if they haven't got a phone they will have to get one, they are cheap as chips.

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What a crazy world we live in. I find out the #2 candidate (backup) for the job I accepted was the first person to offer me a position back last year. My old employer just had the same position open right after I left. I referred them to it and I hope they get it.

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52 minutes ago, AndyK said:


They've identified an antibody that neutralizes both the SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV) and the COVID-19 coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2). This means that the antibody binds strongly, in a way that prevents the virus from being able to infect cells.

The significance of it binding to both viruses in a neutralizing way is that that means the antibody is "broadly neutralizing", attaching to a part of the virus that is "conserved" - unlikely to be changed by mutations. This means that the antibody is very likely to remain effective over time.

Human antibodies can be produced in genetically engineered mice or other animals, so this antibody could be used as a treatment in severe cases (artificially produced antibodies are expensive, and it will take time to scale up production). The study was in cell culture, so it will have to be confirmed that it's effective in humans.

(Link to original article for those interested: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-16256-y)

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1 hour ago, Jason said:


They've identified an antibody that neutralizes both the SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV) and the COVID-19 coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2). This means that the antibody binds strongly, in a way that prevents the virus from being able to infect cells.

The significance of it binding to both viruses in a neutralizing way is that that means the antibody is "broadly neutralizing", attaching to a part of the virus that is "conserved" - unlikely to be changed by mutations. This means that the antibody is very likely to remain effective over time.

Human antibodies can be produced in genetically engineered mice or other animals, so this antibody could be used as a treatment in severe cases (artificially produced antibodies are expensive, and it will take time to scale up production). The study was in cell culture, so it will have to be confirmed that it's effective in humans.

(Link to original article for those interested: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-16256-y)

When they say human antibodies, does that mean it gets reproduced in the human body or is it something that has to be injected like a drug?

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4 hours ago, grim22 said:

WTF

 

 

 

This is one of those stories that caught like wildfire, and unfortunately what is spreading in some places is not quite accurate. The three people suspected of the crime are a woman, her husband, and their son. Story here - https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/3-family-members-charged-after-security-guard-shot-to-death-over-face-mask-dispute-in-flint

 

2 hours ago, cdsacken said:

On Trump for that. "LIBERATE" has consequences.

Trump is definitely inciting violence and has blood on his hands. Shooting a man in cold blood just because he was enforcing the rules and doing his job. Now 9 kids are fatherless.

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13 minutes ago, DeeCee said:

These people will definitely download a contact tracing App so that the economy can be safely reopened. 

These people look to be closer to 0 people than 1,000 people.

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23 hours ago, RamblinRed said:

I'm no anti-vaxxer - our son has all of his, but I understand to an extent where they come from.

Our son has Asperger's and we had to go with a slower vaccination schedule because he had negative reactions to a couple of the vaccines. 

 

The vaccination schedule works perfectly fine for 90-95% of childen. But there are 5-10% that have negative reactions to some vaccinations and you need to allow them to be on a schedule that is not a negative for them. Fortunately after some time we found some excellent doctors who helped us craft a schedule that would allow him to ultimately get all the vaccinations, but not overwhelm with too many at once so we could pay attention to if he was reacting to anything.

 

There are some doctors out there that imo are too militant about the vaccine schedule and are more concerned with that than with the children they are supposed to be taking care of.

 

My wife and I have all of our children fully vaccinated as well. We noticed the same thing, a couple of our kids don't tolerate vaccines particularly well. So we spaced out the schedule ourselves and get vaccines at the county health department (where they are free). There's a trend of combining several vaccines into one, as well as administering several separate vaccines on the same date. I assume the purpose of this is to consolidate the misery for the child. However, I'm not sure this is really the best approach from a purely scientific standpoint. Why possibly overload the body with several different things at once? I think as long getting a child all of their vaccines prior to starting regular socialization, whether that is kindergarten, preschool, or daycare, is the important part. Meeting exact dates on a schedule is not such a big deal.

 

I have also noticed pro-vaccine militancy. Some doctors in my area are OK with the idea of spacing out vaccines from the standard schedule, as long as the parent is following through and getting their children vaccinated. These doctors will look at a child's vaccination record and allow for flexibility. Some won't see kids until they are up to date, though. It is backlash to the small but vocal anti-vaxx segment here.

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53 minutes ago, AndyK said:

When they say human antibodies, does that mean it gets reproduced in the human body or is it something that has to be injected like a drug?


For therapeutic use, the antibodies would have to be injected via IV, after being produced in another animal, most likely transgenic mice.

The antibodies are "human" in the sense that the human antibody protein is being expressed by the mice.

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3 hours ago, DeeCee said:

These people will definitely download a contact tracing App so that the economy can be safely reopened. 
 

 

 

Education could finish this event in seconds. Sadly, education is what big parts of the USA seems to lack the most. 

Just sad.

 

All it would take, would be a look over some borders to recognize, that this is a worldwide threat, even to countries with a socialist structure.

 

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I don't know about the rest of you but with the weather getting much nicer where I live people are starting to get more cranky. This was a little easier to do in March and even April but people are getting tired of it. Some places are preemptively gearing up for disturbances. I had to wait in a LONG line at Save on Foods to be lit in one by one by a guard with a kevlar vest on.

 

I don't exactly have my finger on the pulse of the entire world but my prediction is most of the population is going to start getting sick of this real soon. I mean, we can't even go to parks here because they're closed. A couple in my town got a stern talking to from an officer for going to walk together. Yes they were holding hands but they lived together! This isn't going to last, mark my words, regardless of where we stand with the virus.

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9 hours ago, Barnack said:

I am pretty sure they already are, how would it be possible to investigate something in China, without China being involved ?

No, There is no investigation. There will never be an investigation.

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