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1 minute ago, Plain Old Tele said:


Really feels like governors should take things on a county-by-county basis. Like, it might be fine for some rural CA county to open up, but LA county should be tightening things up, not the reverse. 

Isn't that's what's happening in California, though?

 

I've been following off an on the world meter county rankings and it looks like SoCal is still the hot spot:

 

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California Total 142,804 +2,873 4,939 +69 99,594 2,597,647  
Los Angeles 68,875 +1,811 2,813 +45 66,062 720,932 [county] [state
Orange 8,222 +231 202 +4 4,294 172,072 [county] [state
San Bernardino 6,742 +149 227 +2 2,333 81,067 [county] [state
Alameda 4,119 +86 110   4,009   [county] [state
San Joaquin 1,388 +79 42 +2 480   [county] [state
Kern 3,016 +74 53 +2 934 36,107 [county] [state
Imperial 3,454 +68 43 +2 603 18,211 [county] [state
Kings 1,688 +51 6   1,135 9,730 [county] [state
Tulare 2,475 +43 98 +2 693   [county] [state
Ventura 1,446 +39 38   339 33,922 [county] [state
Santa Clara 3,063 +31 149   2,914 96,003 [county] [state
San Francisco 2,840 +31 44   2,796 89,609 [county] [state
Contra Costa 1,829 +31 44 +1 355 44,070 [county] [state
Sacramento 1,670 +28 63 +1 345   [county] [state
Monterey 814 +23 11   288 13,087 [county] [state
San Mateo 2,494 +19 93   2,401 44,851 [county] [state
Santa Barbara 1,878 +14 16   227 23,415 [county] [state
Placer 327 +13 9   124 14,505 [county] [state
San Luis Obispo 317 +11 1   37 13,129 [county] [state
Santa Cruz 249 +10 3   49 10,518 [county] [state
Sonoma 680 +9 4   306 32,787 [county] [state
Stanislaus 1,030 +7 33   256 17,377 [county] [state
Fresno 2,324 +6 49   1,590 28,387 [county] [state
Merced 391 +4 7   111   [county] [state
San Diego 8,839 +2 312   2,026 203,579 [county] [state
Napa 163 +2 3   57 13,207 [county] [state
Inyo 23 +1 1   4 777 [county] [state
Riverside 9,911   380 +8 3,968 143,117 [county] [state
Marin 635   17   191 16,548 [county] [state
Solano 617   23   168   [county] [state
Yolo 227   24   203 7,254 [county] [state
Madera 178   3   58 4,126 [county] [state
Humboldt 113   4   16 6,777 [county] [state
El Dorado 111       24 7,257 [county] [state
San Benito 109   2   12 3,096 [county] [state
Butte 73   1   24 5,186 [county] [state
Sutter 67   2   19 5,876 [county] [state
Nevada 50   1   5 3,815 [county] [state
Shasta 47   4   43 5,862 [county] [state
Del Norte 47         1,734 [county] [state
Mono 37   1   36 891 [county] [state
Mendocino 36       6 5,745 [county] [state
Yuba 32   1   2 5,585 [county] [state
Lake 30       4 2,886 [county] [state
Calaveras 21       6 1,403 [county] [state
Glenn 21       3 626 [county] [state
Mariposa 16   1     1,373 [county] [state
Siskiyou 14       7 2,171 [county] [state
Tehama 12   1   8 2,190 [county] [state
Amador 10         1,228 [county] [state
Lassen 9       9 1,795 [county] [state
Tuolumne 8       4 1,547 [county] [state
Colusa 7       7 422 [county] [state
Plumas 4         894 [county] [state
Alpine 2       1 16 [county] [state
Trinity 2       1 543 [county] [state
Modoc 1       1 321 [county] [state
Sierra 1         170 [county] [state
Alameda - Berkeley             [county] [state
Yuba-Sutter             [county] [state

That's today's partials.

 

And still, let's not forget 40m people in California and 10m people in LA County.  Any analysis of California has to take relative per-capita into account.

 

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As an aside, this is one of the reasons I've been skeptical of LA County getting the green-light to open movie complexes.  They've been following the classic Flatten the Curve as opposed to the more aggressive Smash the  Curve strategy.

 

Admittedly, I've been tuning out COVID-19 developments over the last couple of weeks due to... *waves around*... so I might have missed some policy developments.

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5 minutes ago, Porthos said:

Isn't that's what's happening in California, though?

 

I've been following off an on the world meter county rankings and it looks like SoCal is still the hot spot:

 

That's today's partials.

 

And still, let's not forget 40m people in California and 10m people in LA County.  Any analysis of California has to take relative per-capita into account.

 

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As an aside, this is one of the reasons I've been skeptical of LA County getting the green-light to open movie complexes.  They've been following the classic Flatten the Curve as opposed to the more aggressive Smash the  Curve strategy.

 

Admittedly, I've been tuning out COVID-19 developments over the last couple of weeks due to... *waves around*... so I might have missed some policy developments.

The policy developments are that we’re opening up the same as everywhere else, numbers be damned. 🤦‍♂️

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1 minute ago, cannastop said:

 

Everyone has given up in the US, I think. I don't know how many people will have to die for another lockdown.

If we completely kill the economy, many many more will die. People just don't get it. We can't all hunker down until there's no trace of the virus or we get a vaccine and then flip a switch and go completely back to normal. We have to get going now while we can still salvage our society and do our absolute utmost to limit the damage.

 

There's no win here. It's just the lesser of two evils.

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On 6/10/2020 at 4:45 PM, NoobSaibot said:

MrGlass could be expecting the numbers to grow. In fact, that's exactly what I would expect with the protests and with states gradually reopening things.

That is what just about every medical expert is saying.

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1 hour ago, JB33 said:

If we completely kill the economy, many many more will die. People just don't get it. We can't all hunker down until there's no trace of the virus or we get a vaccine and then flip a switch and go completely back to normal. We have to get going now while we can still salvage our society and do our absolute utmost to limit the damage.

 

There's no win here. It's just the lesser of two evils.

A society that values money over human lives is doomed in the long run.

SOrry, but you have been a "let the virus run it's course' guy for along time. Maybe if one your friends or relatived dies your tune will change.

Until the virus is under control, the economy will consider to suffer.

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5 minutes ago, dudalb said:

A society that values money over human lives is doomed in the long run.

SOrry, but you have been a "let the virus run it's course' guy for along time. Maybe if one your friends or relatived dies your tune will change.

Until the virus is under control, the economy will consider to suffer.

The economy isn't just about the money. It's the structure of our society as we know it. You make it sound like it's a simple matter of greed.

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27 minutes ago, dudalb said:

That is what just about every medical expert is saying.

He argued the opposite, that they would remain low. Unfortunately that is just not the way things are going to go in the US. See the Arizona posts on this page of the thread for proof.

 

Thousands of additional Americans are about to die unnecessarily for the sake of money. Isn't it great?

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6 minutes ago, JB33 said:

The economy isn't just about the money. It's the structure of our society as we know it. You make it sound like it's a simple matter of greed.

Your position is full of straw man arguments. It is possible to open the economy responsibly and have the federal government lend assistance where there are gaps. This is not an either-or situation. We don't have to embrace the death of hundreds of thousands just for a few bucks.

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32 minutes ago, doublejack said:

He argued the opposite, that they would remain low.

Significantly lower than 1K/day in the short/medium-term; not sure if that counts as "low", obviously a better result could have been achieved. And then there is the danger of a second wave later, nobody can say for sure if it is a possibility in the US or anywhere else (it hasn't happened yet in any European or Asian country).

 

But for now the daily death toll continues to decline, and the rate of decline is almost constant. My wild guess is similar to this expert's opinion in an otherwise pessimistic article (don't forget that testing&tracing is happening at the state level, this isn't March):

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Still, some public health experts say they haven't been as worried by spiking case counts. Ali Mokdad, a health metrics expert at the University of Washington, said it’s fine for governors to continue reopening as long as their states can do the testing, tracing and quarantining of infected patients.

“In general, we are heading in the right direction,” he said.

 

 

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I wouldn't expect the country to close up again, that's a Pandora's box situation right there (especially with everything else that's been happening). At most some counties will close.

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1 hour ago, doublejack said:

Your position is full of straw man arguments. It is possible to open the economy responsibly and have the federal government lend assistance where there are gaps. This is not an either-or situation. We don't have to embrace the death of hundreds of thousands just for a few bucks.

We attacked it aggressively way too late. Then failed to make reasonable measures quickly making people wait too long. USA policy has been an epic failure across the board. Medically and economically. I say that as a person who loathes Trump to my core.

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3 hours ago, doublejack said:

Your position is full of straw man arguments. It is possible to open the economy responsibly and have the federal government lend assistance where there are gaps. This is not an either-or situation. We don't have to embrace the death of hundreds of thousands just for a few bucks.

That's....exactly what's going on right now though. Sooo we're in agreement?

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Just now, JB33 said:

That's....exactly what's going on right now though. Sooo we're in agreement?

You live in Canada, they don’t, that’s the difference. 

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8 minutes ago, cax16 said:

You live in Canada, they don’t, that’s the difference. 

Very true but I wasn't aware there was such a difference here. I mean, we're opening up pretty rapidly as well (varies by province, as it does by state south of the border).

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