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There is something rotten in the Kingdom of Sweden, they appear unable to do anything right.

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Sweden’s health agency said plans to change contact-tracing guidelines so that tracing is done to a larger extent by the individuals infected, Reuters reports. The new guidance breaks from a strategy adopted by most countries where authorities trace and notify people who have had close contact with a carrier of the disease.

 

An agency spokeswoman said it was much better that individuals themselves contact people they may have infected, rather than official tracking units which currently have this responsibility. The existing system worked well when the number of infections was lower but had become less effective as the number grew, she said.

 

Unlike most tracing systems, the Swedish system is not anonymous as individuals are expected to deliver the news of their infection to anyone they’ve been in close contact with.

 

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5 minutes ago, Porthos said:

 

that... can't be a real person saying that. That sounds like Dr. Evil

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8 minutes ago, MrGlass2 said:

There is something rotten in the Kingdom of Sweden, they appear unable to do anything right.

 

I don't know how much you know about Sweden but that's a very "open" society, you don't have any secrets from your neighbors. So this approach would not be that unusual for Sweden.

(It's also a very narrowminded society in many respects - since you have no secrets, you're always under scrutiny ... there are many many dos and donts which are never codified but apply if you want to belong)

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9 minutes ago, DAJK said:

that... can't be a real person saying that. That sounds like Dr. Evil

It's official:The GOP hates science.

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3 minutes ago, DAJK said:

that... can't be a real person saying that. That sounds like Dr. Evil

Oh, it's real alright:

 

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“These kids have got to get back to school,” Parson told Cox. “They’re at the lowest risk possible. And if they do get COVID-19, which they will — and they will when they go to school — they’re not going to the hospitals. They’re not going to have to sit in doctor’s offices. They’re going to go home and they’re going to get over it.”

 

He emphasized that people who are at high risk of becoming seriously ill should be protected but said most people in the state were smart enough to figure out how to stay safe without government interventions such as mask mandates.

 
 

“We gotta move on,” he said. “We can’t just let this thing stop us in our tracks.”

 

In an email on Sunday, Dr. Alex Garza, incident commander of the St. Louis Metropolitan Pandemic Task Force, called the question about returning to school a “Gordian knot.”

 

While it is important for children to be in school, he said, and it is true that they do not typically get seriously ill from COVID-19, “we worry about those in school who are not children — teachers, support staff and volunteers. Many of those people will have a much more serious response to the virus and that is what we want to avoid. These children could also come home and spread the virus to others in their household who could also be at a greater risk of a serious outcome.”

Even if one buys into the idea that school age children are at less risk to debilitating side-effects from COVID-19, there's still transmission spread from the children to parents, not to mention staff and teachers at school.

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22 minutes ago, Porthos said:

Oh, it's real alright:

 

Even if one buys into the idea that school age children are at less risk to debilitating side-effects from COVID-19, there's still transmission spread from the children to parents, not to mention staff and teachers at school.

How these elected officials can’t seem to understand this is utterly beyond me.

 

Sure, for the most part, kids might not suffer with the virus the way an adult does, but those children still have to go home at the end of every day to their ADULT parents, and those adult parents will then have to go into work to mix with other adults, spreading the disease that their kids brought home to them from their Petri dish of a school.

 

Kids will be the spreaders, and the adults will suffer. 

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12 minutes ago, SnokesLegs said:

How these elected officials can’t seem to understand this is utterly beyond me.

 

Sure, for the most part, kids might not suffer with the virus the way an adult does, but those children still have to go home at the end of every day to their ADULT parents, and those adult parents will then have to go into work to mix with other adults, spreading the disease that their kids brought home to them from their Petri dish of a school.

 

Kids will be the spreaders, and the adults will suffer. 

Mind, I am tremendously sympathetic to the basic problem here.  There's going to be a lot of kids left behind thanks to either two-income families, lack of internet access/broadband, or plain ol' unstable households.  There has to be some sort of plan for children where remote learning is an unideal (or downright bad) situation.

 

But instead we collectively as a nation wasted months of time where we could have gotten the pandemic more under control and/or spent the time shoring up school districts to be more capable to meet this challenge.

 

And, no, I don't have an answer for this problem.  Just that I know that going all Wild Wild West is not a solution, just as throwing everyone to the wolves and playing a lotto in regards to having adequate home schooling isn't much of a solution, either.

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All those officials and governors simply ignore how small children behave. It will be nearly impossible to make them social distancing and follow all the rules.  Besides learning children play in school, children fight and do a lot of other things. 

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The Republicans probably want to kill as many kids as possible as their voter base skews older than that of the democrats. Less younger people mean more votes for the GOP in that sense.

 

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Yes, this is sarcasm. But i for myself wont be shocked if theres some Republicans who think that way.

 

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1 hour ago, Brainbug said:

The Republicans probably want to kill as many kids as possible as their voter base skews older than that of the democrats. Less younger people mean more votes for the GOP in that sense.

 

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Yes, this is sarcasm. But i for myself wont be shocked if theres some Republicans who think that way.

 

I mean, I've heard people (even if half-jokingly) make jokes about "hopefully covid kills as many boomers as possible to get rid of that voting base". So I'm 100% sure it goes the other way too. 

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Trump now  saying wearing a mask it patriotic. 

Too little, Too Late.

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2 hours ago, dudalb said:

Trump now  saying wearing a mask it patriotic. 

Too little, Too Late.

Maybe one day he will understand that you need a strategy to fight this virus.

Imagine having to explain contact tracing to Trump.

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Masks don't seem to have become a culture war in the UK, thankfully. There were a few brexit dickheads on twitter who tried really hard to turn it into one, but surveys suggest over 70% of people think they should be worn in shops and it's about to become law.

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4 hours ago, Hatebox said:

Masks don't seem to have become a culture war in the UK, thankfully. There were a few brexit dickheads on twitter who tried really hard to turn it into one, but surveys suggest over 70% of people think they should be worn in shops and it's about to become law.

And numbers are similar in the US. Another reminder that Twitter isn't real life.

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Fairleigh Dickinson University, Madison, NJ, June 23, 2020 – Sizable majorities of Americans say they agree with restrictive measures to help protect themselves and others from COVID-19. A new national phone survey by researchers at the Fairleigh Dickinson University School of Pharmacy and Health Sciences examined a broad array of protective measures and behaviors, and finds that most Americans are willing to accept indefinite requirements and restrictions.

 

A vast majority of people say having your temperature checked before entering a public place (85%) and mandatory isolation of those who have tested positive for the coronavirus are acceptable (87%). Other measures that garner the support of at least three-quarters of adults include mandatory face masks in enclosed public spaces (79%) and allowing the government to alert those you’ve been in contact with if you become infected with the virus (74%).

 

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Words of caution about vaccines from a doctor who specializes in vaccines.

 

"First vaccines may not be our best vaccines," US disease expert warns

CNN Health’s Shelby Lin Erdman

 

It’s hard to draw many conclusions at this point from the vaccine data published Monday by the University of Oxford, said Dr. Peter Hotez, professor and dean of Tropical Medicine at the US' Baylor College of Medicine, during an interview with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer.

Hotez predicted it will take until the middle of next year to find out if the vaccine actually works.

“Looking at the data coming out of the AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine, in a single dose, the vaccine did not seem to do all that much. The levels of virus neutralizing antibody, which many think is a good indicator of whether the vaccines are going to work, were not very high,” Hotez said. “In two doses it seemed to be better, but there were only 10 patients who got the two doses.”

“So, it's really hard to conclude, very much from this,” he said.

Hotez said the results suggest a larger trial is needed.

“And that’s the idea behind Operation Warp Speed. All of these vaccines will start entering phase 3 clinical trials at various times over the next year and then it’ll take a year to accumulate all the data showing the vaccines actually work, as well as that they’re safe ... But keep in mind the first vaccines may not be our best vaccines, added Hotez.

“It’s looking like many of them are just partially protective, potentially preventing people from getting very sick, but not interrupting transmission. So, even then we’re still going to have to maintain ongoing public health control.”

There are 23 Covid-19 vaccines currently in clinical trials globally, according to the World Health Organization.

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