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7 hours ago, AndyK said:

The measures taken for Covid have had no effect on Flu deaths as shown on the ONS chart in that link.

 

That's the point I made, that's what the hard data says.

You are aware, that Pneumonia can also be caused by bacteria and seems to be included in those statistics? Also it is mentioned, that a death cann fall in both, the Covi and th Influenza/Pneumonia-Category. It really doesn't make sense to compare this and make a point out of it. 

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41 minutes ago, Poseidon said:

You are aware, that Pneumonia can also be caused by bacteria and seems to be included in those statistics? Also it is mentioned, that a death cann fall in both, the Covi and th Influenza/Pneumonia-Category. It really doesn't make sense to compare this and make a point out of it. 

Which bit of this is difficult to understand ?

 

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In Week 32, 13.0% of all deaths in England and Wales mentioned “Influenza and Pneumonia”,

That's how Flu is recorded.

 

Pneumonia is also a main cause of death for people with COVID-19

 

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The most common diagnosis in severe COVID-19 patients is severe pneumonia.

 

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/clinical-management-of-novel-cov.pdf

 

 

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5 hours ago, AndyK said:

Which bit of this is difficult to understand ?

 

That's how Flu is recorded.

 

Pneumonia is also a main cause of death for people with COVID-19

 

 

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/clinical-management-of-novel-cov.pdf

 

 

Your original point was, that there were more than 1000 deaths in the UK because of the flu. This is wrong. 

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8 minutes ago, Poseidon said:

Your original point was, that there were more than 1000 deaths in the UK because of the flu. This is wrong. 

Then the Covid death statistics are also wrong because most of them died from Pneumonia.

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9 minutes ago, AndyK said:

Then the Covid death statistics are also wrong because most of them died from Pneumonia.

Death stats are never right, though...but they can at least be useful estimates...

 

On a non-Covid note for how these really aren't truly 100% accurate...

 

My mom died of end stage multiple myeloma cancer in January with her chemo putting her in cardiac arrest.  What did the death cert say?

ESRD for End Stage Renal Disease.  Now, her cancer did cause renal failure, so she was on dialysis.  But, ummm, yeah, she died in cardiac arrest from a chemo treatment...

 

But, senior renal group rights are very strong in the US (found this out when my mom couldn't be released from a hospital til she had a confirmed dialysis spot when we moved her from NJ to FL - that actually came in very handy)...and identifying more folks in the group is probably helpful to keeping those rights.

 

So, you get ESRD rather than multiple myeloma on the death cert b/c no one is advocating for more help/rights/funding for multiple myeloma patients...

 

This isn't new...maybe it's just now a little more known...

 

 

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17 minutes ago, AndyK said:

Then the Covid death statistics are also wrong because most of them died from Pneumonia.

There is many cause of dead by pneumonia, 2 big family one being viral and another being bacteriological.

 

Most flu death will indeed have some other component to them, pneumonia being a common one and we will talk about excess death with an estimate for those reason, but not all pneumonia were caused by a viral infection.

 

All pneumonia death that were caused by either the flu and COVID will be factored in the excess death of both, but putting bacteriological caused pneumonia in them would skew the result, I am not sure that flu excess death is calculated like that in the UK. 

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2 hours ago, AndyK said:

Then the Covid death statistics are also wrong because most of them died from Pneumonia.

Very simple question.  What are the UK influenza infection statistics? How does the last few months compare to previous years?

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On 8/20/2020 at 4:36 PM, a2k said:

have a train journey booked and have reached that state of mind :)

 

positive test % last 5 days in India ( new cases in thousand/tests in lakhs [1 lakh = 100,000] )

19th 7.54% 69.2/9.18

18th  8.11% 65.0/8.01

17th 6.03% 54.3/9.0

16th 7.96% 58.1/7.3

15th  8.57% 64.0/7.47

 

was 8.5-10% in 1st week of July.

India positive test % last 7 days ( new cases in thousand/tests in lakhs [1 lakh = 100,000] )

 

26th 8.2% 76.0/9.25 (Wed)

25th 8.1% 66.9/8.24

24th 6.5% 59.7/9.25

23rd 10.2% 61.7/6.07

22nd 8.75% 70.1/8.01

21st 6.75% 69.0/10.23

20th 8.5% 68.5/8.06 (Thu)

 

7 day average is 8.1-8.2%.

 

 

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So apparently Regal reactivated their Unlimited program a week ago with the first month "free" though I had already paid for a year so I assume I'm getting another month on top. Anyway, watched New Mutants and the theatre was sparse. Maybe 20 people in that showing. All masks business and seemed safe and fine to me. Better seats than Cinemark though they are fabric velvet like seats which I guess they use the disinfectant spray on those.  

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Over 7000 new cases in France today. That doesnt bode well for the coming autumn.

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On 8/28/2020 at 9:39 PM, Brainbug said:

Over 7000 new cases in France today. That doesnt bode well for the coming autumn.

Perfect time to open the schools and universities... Macron is the Trump/Bolsonaro of Europe.

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Get your flu vaccine, available now!

 

Getting mine Monday!

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Pandemic adviser with no epidemiology background reportedly pushes White House to adopt herd immunity strategy

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pandemic-adviser-no-epidemiology-background-140653239.html

White House adviser joins DeSantis to tout COVID strategy: Test only those with symptoms

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-adviser-joins-desantis-172517390.html

 

The new bright guy is already working hard, Pushing for herd immunity and less testing. Less testing = less cases = no lockdowns.  "People with no symptoms should be discouraged from testing because it leads to shutdowns". Atlas supports policies of herd immunity and has urged that the United States adopt the model Sweden has used to respond to the virus outbreak, which advocates for lifting restrictions to allow more exposure and allow people to build up immunity to the disease rather than limiting social and business interactions to prevent the virus from spreading, according to recent reporting in The Washington Post.

 

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58 minutes ago, juni78ukr said:

Pandemic adviser with no epidemiology background reportedly pushes White House to adopt herd immunity strategy

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pandemic-adviser-no-epidemiology-background-140653239.html

White House adviser joins DeSantis to tout COVID strategy: Test only those with symptoms

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-adviser-joins-desantis-172517390.html

 

The new bright guy is already working hard, Pushing for herd immunity and less testing. Less testing = less cases = no lockdowns.  "People with no symptoms should be discouraged from testing because it leads to shutdowns". Atlas supports policies of herd immunity and has urged that the United States adopt the model Sweden has used to respond to the virus outbreak, which advocates for lifting restrictions to allow more exposure and allow people to build up immunity to the disease rather than limiting social and business interactions to prevent the virus from spreading, according to recent reporting in The Washington Post.

 

What, exactly, is wrong with that statement? Why would anyone need a test if there is no indication that they may have the virus?

 

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28 minutes ago, tree said:

What, exactly, is wrong with that statement? Why would anyone need a test if there is no indication that they may have the virus?

 

That 2 different statement, no indication that they may have the virus vs no symptoms, say someone is living with someone that just tested positive that an indication that they may have the virus without it being a symptoms.

 

It is important to test before symptoms (even if the test become less and less precise) because pre-symptomatic/asymptomatic can be contagious and it is not like they will have a test result the first day of their small symptoms anyway.

 

Testing everyone that do not social distance (work with public for example) everyday, multiple time a day when they have small symptoms, with a cheap and fast test would be a good idea.

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