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11 hours ago, cannastop said:

Am I going to have to have another period of layoff?

That would suck majorly without a $1,200 check...

Was that a one off cheque?

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5 hours ago, IndustriousAngel said:

You'll always have those ... and as long as it's not too many, it shouldn't matter much. We don't need to eradicate the virus, we just have to slow the spread to a degree our health systems can handle.

 

 

In Quebec they had a lockdown for 1.5 months now and cases are still going higher. 

 

So it shows to me the 2nd lockdowns will be much longer then the govt claims. 

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6 hours ago, cannastop said:

yes.

That sucks, 80% of wages here, every month.

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16 hours ago, Fire Priestess Aria of Ash said:

Even if there is a lockdown are people even complying to rules? In my area we are in a lockdown and people still are having parties and not caring. 

I think this is what is likely to happen.

A new Gallup poll has just 49% saying they would shelter in place if public health officials recommended it.

 

It's not just that less than a majority of Americans are unwilling to say they're "very likely" to shelter in place. It's that they're currently not isolating. A clear majority (62%) said they were only partially isolated or not isolated at all in Gallup's late October poll. The percentage was half that (30%) in April.
 
In an Axios/Ipsos poll conducted in late October, 53% admitted that they were not always maintaining a distance of at least 6 feet from other people when going outside their house. This was one of the highest numbers of the pandemic. Back in April, the percentage who said they weren't keeping a distance of at least 6 feet never rose above 34%.
 
And while 46% of Americans said they haven't started making holiday plans yet, those who have are split fairly evenly between planning to celebrate among their immediate family and people they live with (30%) and with those outside this select group (24%).

 

Perhaps what's most worrisome is that these poll numbers are coming against a backdrop of Americans seeming to realize the country is on the wrong path with how we're handling the virus.
Most (61%) told Gallup that the coronavirus situation is getting worse. A mere 23% think it's getting better, one of the lower percentages of the pandemic so far.
    Despite Americans knowing we're on the wrong trajectory, it hasn't yet caused the type of change in habit that may be necessary to beat back the latest wave of cases.

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    2 hours ago, AndyK said:

    That sucks, 80% of wages here, every month.

    What people have to understand is that there will be no real sustainble improvement in the economy until the virus is brought  control. That is the key, period.

    There is no quick fix, no silver bullet, no easy and painless way out.

    There is lots of pain ahead. Time to face facts.folks will will go on for some time. IMHO, tough measures are the only way to shorten the time. Half assed measures will just prolong the agony.

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    A lot of  young people are getting a shock treatment in reality and learning the tough facts of life because of COvid.

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    Covid19 tracking reports 139k today but without TX. TX had 6k, so it’s 145. Last week same day 103, nice 42% increase 😬

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    2 minutes ago, WandaLegion said:

    Covid19 tracking reports 139k today but without TX. TX had 6k, so it’s 145. Last week same day 103, nice 42% increase 😬

    Hospitalizations are now higher than the highest estimate for the spring and deaths are now at the same level as the height of the summer surge.

     

    Three weeks ago the 7 day case avg was about 65K. Extrapolate that to today's death toll avg of 1,115 and then apply today's avg 7 day cases of 145K, and you are talking about closing in on 2,500 deaths per day in 3 weeks.

     

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    one of the scientists behind the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine says if everything goes well then we could have a normal winter next year.

     

    BioNTech co-founder Uğur Şahin told the BBC on Sunday that "this winter will be hard" and the vaccine "will not have a big impact on the infection numbers."

     

    https://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-vaccine-scientist-we-could-have-a-normal-winter-next-year/

     

     

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    6 minutes ago, RamblinRed said:

    Hospitalizations are now higher than the highest estimate for the spring and deaths are now at the same level as the height of the summer surge.

     

    Three weeks ago the 7 day case avg was about 65K. Extrapolate that to today's death toll avg of 1,115 and then apply today's avg 7 day cases of 145K, and you are talking about closing in on 2,500 deaths per day in 3 weeks.

     

    Yep. Using Trevor bedford’s 22-day lag between cases/deaths and ~1.75% CFR, a bit over 2500+ daily avg deaths seems to be already “baked in” even if transmission completely stopped tomorrow.    
     

    Though it’s possible the strain on healthcare resources will push the CFR up a bit 😬

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    He goes on to say that although his body is bursting with anti bodies from the last infection, the rules are the rules and they must be followed.

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    11 minutes ago, Maggie said:

    some good news

     

     

    Still an mRNA vaccine and so is going to have similar temperature storage problems. Although this one is purported to last a bit longer at normal freezer temperatures.

     

    The best bet is still one of the standard vaccines.

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    New study shows COVID was circulating in Italy in Sept 2019.

     

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    Coronavirus was present in Italy months before its outbreak is known to have started, according to new research.

    Scientists have found Covid-19 antibodies in blood samples from as early as September last year.

     

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-italy-anitbodies-covid-study-b1723243.html

     

    When do we start calling it the Italian Virus?

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    58 minutes ago, AndyK said:

    New study shows COVID was circulating in Italy in Sept 2019.

     

     

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-italy-anitbodies-covid-study-b1723243.html

     

    When do we start calling it the Italian Virus?


    It's hard to imagine (but not impossible of course) that it could circulate for that long undetected without exploding. The better explanation is probably that the the antibodies detected are to other coronaviruses, and happened to be cross-reactive with SARS-CoV-2.

    They didn't do a control against older blood samples that would have much more conclusively demonstrated whether or not cross-reactivity was a problem for their assay. (They did cite another paper that found the SARS-CoV-2 RBD was highly specific, but it's worth noting that they used their own in house immunoassay, so it's possible that something different could have caused greater cross-reactivity.)

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