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"New Jersey-based J&J said it beat its March delivery target, providing the U.S. government more than 20 million doses, and that it expects to deliver another 24 million by the end of April. "

 

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On the news last night was a report from France showing overloaded ICU units and an interview with a lady in a wheelchair, on oxygen, saying she still would not take the AZ vaccine.

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6 hours ago, cdsacken said:

"New Jersey-based J&J said it beat its March delivery target, providing the U.S. government more than 20 million doses, and that it expects to deliver another 24 million by the end of April. "

 

Nice!

As i told you earlier. Those 11 mill from were meant for EU but were exportet to US. 
Now we know why

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10 hours ago, WandaLegion said:

It’s a reporting lag+day of week effect.   
 

Less vaccinations happen Sat+Sun, which are mostly what show up in Mon+Tues reports. The 7-day avg keeps going up, now to a quite robust 2.83M/day. I think we’ll peak out around 1% of the pop on the 7-day avg rate and then start going down a bit in later April as basically everyone who strongly wants one has got it.

That's strange, here, vaccinations usually go up >50% at weekends

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55 minutes ago, AndyK said:

On the news last night was a report from France showing overloaded ICU units and an interview with a lady in a wheelchair, on oxygen, saying she still would not take the AZ vaccine.

I remember when Trump called for ways in which bleach could kill the virus, causing 3 people to stupidly die, the repercussions he recieved were high. Now we witness leaders come out without any scientific backing and decide to wrongly turn hundreds of million of people off from a life saving vaccine yet the repercussions haven't seem to be as damaging. What Macron, Merkel and Von has said over the past few months will cause the premature deaths of hundreds of thousands of people over the next few weeks, why aren't people throwing the book at these people?

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Everyone's favourite whipping boy, Sweden.....

 

a reminder that policies that may have been stable against original variant will not work against B.1.1.7

 

 

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CDC predicted that UK variant would hit the USA hard in March, well here it is...

 

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A fourth wave of coronavirus infections is beginning to mount in states across the nation as health experts and officials beg pandemic-exhausted Americans to stay vigilant.

 

The United States has reported an average of 65,000 new cases in the last seven days, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), up about 10,000 cases per day since the most recent nadir two weeks ago.

 

Those figures are well below the January apex of the third wave of infections, when a quarter-million people a day were testing positive for the virus. 

 

But while millions of Americans are receiving vaccinations, progress toward herd immunity has not kept pace with the new spike. Cases are rising in about half the states, led by big spikes in New York and especially New York City, Michigan, New Jersey, Connecticut and Pennsylvania. 

 

“Our work is far from over. The war against COVID-19 is far from won. This is deadly serious,” President Biden said Monday at the White House, hours after CDC Director Rochelle Walensky pleaded for the public to keep up mitigation strategies. “If we let our guard down now, we could see a virus getting worse, not better.”

 

Scientists say the new spike is being driven by the emergence of variants of the coronavirus, most notably a more readily transmissible and virulent strain known as B.1.1.7, first identified in the United Kingdom. CDC data shows that strain is responsible for an estimated 13 percent of new cases in Florida and 9 percent of cases in New Jersey.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/545566-covid-19s-fourth-wave-is-hitting-the-us-hard

 

There's a race on the vaccinate before it starts to cause serious problems.

 

Not sure what the strategy is in US but if it's not strict age ordered then large death counts will inevitably follow.

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Just what wrong with Michigan? The outbreak is quickly gaining ground and all the improvement made in the past 3 months got wiped out in a number of days.

 

California daily death toll are still too high for its daily new added cases

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17 minutes ago, titanic2187 said:

Just what wrong with Michigan? The outbreak is quickly gaining ground and all the improvement made in the past 3 months got wiped out in a number of days.

 

California daily death toll are still too high for its daily new added cases

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-michigan-children/

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1 hour ago, fmpro said:

Interesting to see what happens in UK after this AZ news

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-astrazeneca-clots-idUSKBN2BO6Y0

People will continue on as normal. No-one is panicking about blood clots here. We are more panicked about the fact people are refusing it, keeping the virus going longer and putting a higher risk of that european wave reaching us.

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On 4/1/2021 at 10:26 AM, Chicago said:

I remember when Trump called for ways in which bleach could kill the virus, causing 3 people to stupidly die, the repercussions he recieved were high. Now we witness leaders come out without any scientific backing and decide to wrongly turn hundreds of million of people off from a life saving vaccine yet the repercussions haven't seem to be as damaging. What Macron, Merkel and Von has said over the past few months will cause the premature deaths of hundreds of thousands of people over the next few weeks, why aren't people throwing the book at these people?

What a completely nonsensical comparison...

 

a) decisions aren't made "without scientific backing"

b) in fact, the original decision not to use AZ for anyone above a certain age was specifically made due to a lack of scientific data for that age bracket, and absolutely no one said that it wouldn't work, just that they didn't know yet

c) it weren't those people who turned anyone away from the vaccine, it were reports out of science or from the media. Maybe politicians didn't choose the best possible path, but then again, pretending that everything is going just fine when there are clear cases that show it isn't, isn't going to instill any confidence in the vaccine either. It would have caused the exact same reaction. It's not like there was one reaction by all those people to immediately throw the vaccine under the bus. Nothing like that happened at all.

d) at least from some of the people you mentioned, there were specific guidliness given to continue with the vaccination-effort, because the situation wasn't quite clear yet, and because the deaths possibly caused by the vaccine were deemed to be lower than the death that would be caused by the side-effects. Pretending that this didn't happen doesn't make any sense at all.

e) you are dealing with a public here whose first instinct upon hearing of a possible pandemic was to buy up all the toilet paper. Hardly an audience that you can rely on to weight the pros and cons of a specific vaccine.

f) who the hell is Von?

 

And most importantly, there is a gargantuan difference between someone who actively tries to downplay a pandemic in public and who proposes a method that definately won't help you but has a very good chance of killing you instead, and leaders being vary about newly arriving issues with a vaccine.

Blaming that on someone like Merkel, who has basically no say on that matter, as that is the duty of the states not the federal government, just shows that you weren't interested in giving an informed opinion, but instead went straight for bashing people for the sake of it.

 

Simply put, there is a difference between trying and failing, because things are not quite clear in a volatile situation, and doing your best not to help anyone but yourself. The main failures that were made, were not being strict enough over the last few months, and not preparing properly for when the vaccines would arrive. And those things are most definately something the people you mentioned got plenty of criticism for. Something you would know if you bothered to check whether they get criticised or not.

 

The fact is, AZ is working decently well for a vaccine in general. At least against the regular form of the virus. It has proven to be largely ineffective against a whole variety of newer forms, and now side-effects have popped up that have killed a number of people, people of an age at which dying of the virus was a relatively low risk. In comparison to that, you have other vaccines that are a whole lot more effective, work against other forms of the virus, and haven't shown any noteworthy side-effects. It's hardly surprising that people don't want to get the former when the latter is better in every way. This isn't just something you can force onto your people. The more you push, the harder they will resist. That's not something that politicians can control.

 

Thats the problem when the deaths don't pile up in extreme fashion. Lots of people will rather take the risk of catching the virus while waiting for a better vaccine, than to risk dying of side-effects. Thats just how news work in this day and age. People hear about something, and they start to doubt things. No on bothers to check how many cases of deaths from side-effects happen in comparison to the number of vaccines given, just like no one bothers to check those numbers and compare them to the likelyhood of dying from the virus. It's a perfectly normal mindset, "things worked out for me so far, I'll just continue with that". That looks significantly different when people die like flies everywhere around you.

 

 

As for why this issue didn't pop up earlier in Britain; it's pretty simple: AZ was mostly used for older people (80+), while people 65 or younger mostly got the Biontech-vaccine. Since it is something that doesn't affect older people, and the Biontech-vaccine isn't causing something like this, you would obviously see no larger amount of cases. In Europe however, AZ was mostly used on younger people due to the lack of data on its effectiveness for older people early on. Thus you would see this come up in Europe first, and now that younger people in Britain are getting AZ in lalrger numbers as well, the numbers start to rise there.

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3 hours ago, Chicago said:

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1 hour ago, George Parr said:

What a completely nonsensical comparison...

 

a) decisions aren't made "without scientific backing"

b) in fact, the original decision not to use AZ for anyone above a certain age was specifically made due to a lack of scientific data for that age bracket, and absolutely no one said that it wouldn't work, just that they didn't know yet

c) it weren't those people who turned anyone away from the vaccine, it were reports out of science or from the media. Maybe politicians didn't choose the best possible path, but then again, pretending that everything is going just fine when there are clear cases that show it isn't, isn't going to instill any confidence in the vaccine either. It would have caused the exact same reaction. It's not like there was one reaction by all those people to immediately throw the vaccine under the bus. Nothing like that happened at all.

d) at least from some of the people you mentioned, there were specific guidliness given to continue with the vaccination-effort, because the situation wasn't quite clear yet, and because the deaths possibly caused by the vaccine were deemed to be lower than the death that would be caused by the side-effects. Pretending that this didn't happen doesn't make any sense at all.

e) you are dealing with a public here whose first instinct upon hearing of a possible pandemic was to buy up all the toilet paper. Hardly an audience that you can rely on to weight the pros and cons of a specific vaccine.

f) who the hell is Von?

 

And most importantly, there is a gargantuan difference between someone who actively tries to downplay a pandemic in public and who proposes a method that definately won't help you but has a very good chance of killing you instead, and leaders being vary about newly arriving issues with a vaccine.

Blaming that on someone like Merkel, who has basically no say on that matter, as that is the duty of the states not the federal government, just shows that you weren't interested in giving an informed opinion, but instead went straight for bashing people for the sake of it.

 

Simply put, there is a difference between trying and failing, because things are not quite clear in a volatile situation, and doing your best not to help anyone but yourself. The main failures that were made, were not being strict enough over the last few months, and not preparing properly for when the vaccines would arrive. And those things are most definately something the people you mentioned got plenty of criticism for. Something you would know if you bothered to check whether they get criticised or not.

 

The fact is, AZ is working decently well for a vaccine in general. At least against the regular form of the virus. It has proven to be largely ineffective against a whole variety of newer forms, and now side-effects have popped up that have killed a number of people, people of an age at which dying of the virus was a relatively low risk. In comparison to that, you have other vaccines that are a whole lot more effective, work against other forms of the virus, and haven't shown any noteworthy side-effects. It's hardly surprising that people don't want to get the former when the latter is better in every way. This isn't just something you can force onto your people. The more you push, the harder they will resist. That's not something that politicians can control.

 

That's not true, the data was posted further back in thread. In fact it's slightly better than Pfizer at the South African variant at least.

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4M single day bringing the 7-day average up to 3M. Fantastic to see progress continue.   
 

And when we have a surplus supply in May we can start sending heftier amounts to other countries.

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3 minutes ago, WandaLegion said:

4M single day bringing the 7-day average up to 3M. Fantastic to see progress continue.   
 

And when we have a surplus supply in May we can start sending heftier amounts to other countries.

Israel vaccination rate slow down significantly after 40% of the population received first dose and it almost stop now at <60%. Seem like anti-vaccine crowd are bigger here in USA, I am worried demand will burn off itself before the spreading are curb. Worst of all, the latest surge hit hard age group <18 which are not cleared yet for vaccination the normalcy just isn't looking better ,  

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