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40 minutes ago, AndyK said:

The israelis may be assholes, but Hamas are bigger assholes.

Nah if you take someone's home away from them, they should fight back  

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1 hour ago, Chicago said:

Nah if you take someone's home away from them, they should fight back  

Well technically, the homes they are fighting about at the moment were taken away from jews in 1967.

 

But that doesn't excuse the other shit that Israel has done.

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6 hours ago, titanic2187 said:

But first, why do they hesitate? If they refuse to take vaccine due to safety concern, the strategy should shift to focusing on "at least one-shot" for these group. If they are just simply procrastinating, financial incentive should do the trick.

 

But if they are just some cult who believe in conspiracy theories or refuse to believe the danger of covid-19, the best strategy is to let them die then.       

 

Nah make vaccine passports mandatory for flights outside the USA. All cruises. Publicly shame them.

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Confirmation that both Pfizer and AZ dose interval should be 12 weeks not 4, crucial for older people as a 12 week interval triples the antibodies that a 4 week gap gives.

 

 

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13 hours ago, BK007 said:

Why is the text size in all posts (only the text size) so huge?


Gonna quote myself from the CC thread, seems easier than re-typing:
 

On 5/12/2021 at 9:18 PM, Jason said:

Very counterintuitive, but if you click on the customizer (to the right of messages) and move the slider for "larger font size" it actually shrinks the size back to what it used to be.

H/t @Ethan Hunt who apparently found out from @cookie

 

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8 hours ago, AndyK said:

Confirmation that both Pfizer and AZ dose interval should be 12 weeks not 4, crucial for older people as a 12 week interval triples the antibodies that a 4 week gap gives.

 

 

Then what to do now? 70% of the >65 have been completely vaccinated. Don't tell me a 3rd shot is required to boost further? 

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1 hour ago, titanic2187 said:

Then what to do now? 70% of the >65 have been completely vaccinated. Don't tell me a 3rd shot is required to boost further? 


its too late now for 2nd jab. They will have to get a 3rd jab before winter

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10 hours ago, AndyK said:

Confirmation that both Pfizer and AZ dose interval should be 12 weeks not 4, crucial for older people as a 12 week interval triples the antibodies that a 4 week gap gives.

 

 

We got so much shit for opting for 12 weeks too. Fuck you Dr Fauci, not so smart now are you

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1 hour ago, fmpro said:


its too late now for 2nd jab. They will have to get a 3rd jab before winter

I would imagine it's the difference between getting a few sniffles as per common cold and getting no symptoms at all.

 

It's the kind of thing they would have found out in a longer, more traditional vaccine trial.

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USA's number of cases continue to fall, and it is now back to last summer's low.  Likewise for number of death. Almost all major states except NY and Penn have their number of cases lower or on par with last summer. 

 

Problem is just how low this can go? UK seem to have problem reaching lower number after the 7 average hit 2000 and that is with almost 70% of the adult are vaccinated. While it is unreaslitic to expect zero death from covid but social tracing or other control are still needed if people are serious to de-scale covid back to normal flu. Average 350-400 flu death  recorded during peak flu season. That should be a target for public health policy about what a society or medical infrastructure can tolerate, 

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4 hours ago, titanic2187 said:

USA's number of cases continue to fall, and it is now back to last summer's low.  Likewise for number of death. Almost all major states except NY and Penn have their number of cases lower or on par with last summer. 

 

Problem is just how low this can go? UK seem to have problem reaching lower number after the 7 average hit 2000 and that is with almost 70% of the adult are vaccinated. While it is unreaslitic to expect zero death from covid but social tracing or other control are still needed if people are serious to de-scale covid back to normal flu. Average 350-400 flu death  recorded during peak flu season. That should be a target for public health policy about what a society or medical infrastructure can tolerate, 

Cases become irrelevant if no one is dying.

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7 hours ago, titanic2187 said:

Problem is just how low this can go? UK seem to have problem reaching lower number after the 7 average hit 2000 and that is with almost 70% of the adult are vaccinated. While it is unreaslitic to expect zero death from covid but social tracing or other control are still needed if people are serious to de-scale covid back to normal flu. Average 350-400 flu death  recorded during peak flu season. That should be a target for public health policy about what a society or medical infrastructure can tolerate, 

UK winter seasonal effect excess death can go during a bad flu year in the 20-23K with half of those are estimated to be influenza like illness:

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/excesswintermortalityinenglandandwales/2018to2019provisionaland2017to2018final

 

Dying with or from the flu is a bit of an hard thing to estimate and it tend to be more excess during the flu season mathematic estimate that matter than official recorded death of the flu numbers, but I think the goal is for the number to not augment that much in the post covid world.

 

In the US with a popular a bit less than 5 time the UK a normal flu year's is 30,000 excess death, a bad one a la 2018 can be 60K-180K

 

 

3 hours ago, AndyK said:

Cases become irrelevant if no one is dying.

Depend of the morbidity that came on surviving (right now loosing smell-taste for life sounded mild at the beginning but once the death past this will be considered quite unfortunate for example), work weeks lost and so on and obviously how large the machine that is creating new variants worldwide is (the numbers of active infected).

 

case can be irrelevant if they are mild and people that generate not that many viral doses I could imagine.

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My personal opinion is they should have kept the no mask mandates original goal

of around July 4th. 
 

This seems awfully early too me and now people that were hesitant but decided they’ll probably just get the shot WONT now.

 

What percentage is the US at at fully vaccinated people?

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3 hours ago, AndyK said:

Cases become irrelevant if no one is dying.

It is relevant. If no one dying is the goal, that goal is way too low. Until the morbidity is neutralized too (at least close to seasonal flu level) and easing of restriction didn't  cause the spike in hospitalization, cases is still relevant. 

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16 hours ago, titanic2187 said:

It is relevant. If no one dying is the goal, that goal is way too low. Until the morbidity is neutralized too (at least close to seasonal flu level) and easing of restriction didn't  cause the spike in hospitalization, cases is still relevant. 

I don't think the goal needs to be moved. The world wont agree to strict restrictions just to stop people contracting the virus if the Vaccine is successfully lowering its effect otherwise why have the vaccine passports? We can deal with mild symptoms if it means opening the world back up.

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