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1 hour ago, titanic2187 said:

USA passes 70% first dose coverage among adults. One month after Biden's goal.  

 

Vaccination remains sluggish at 600k+ per day, way slower than other developed nation like Germany, UK, Italy, France,... .despite they already have way higher coverage   

You don't have the handicaps the US has..a large group of  people who hate science thanks to brainwashing by right wing Fundy relgious leaders and  that the central government is not as all powerful as the central government in Most European coutnries are.

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2 minutes ago, fmpro said:


We are at 72 % first and 55 % second jabs. But thats the entire population. 
And not even close to heard immunity. You have a long way to go

Yes, vaccines administration have all caught up in most western countries, now its down to who can get the most vaccine hesitant citizens to get the jabs.

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36 minutes ago, AndyK said:

Yes, vaccines administration have all caught up in most western countries, now its down to who can get the most vaccine hesitant citizens to get the jabs.


Yeah. We still haven`t used the whip or gift offerings. I hope we can crawl to 80% in the next couple of months. But its going to be tough. Lets see if we all also have to vaccinate 5-11 year old soon, to get a few more %

 

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The governor of Florida is now going to cut off state funding for any schoold district requiring masks.

Now the Mayor of AMity it throwing kids into the ocean with Jaws just waiting....

God, I hate De Santis.Thank heaven I live on the other side of the country from him.

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10 hours ago, dudalb said:

The governor of Florida is now going to cut off state funding for any schoold district requiring masks.

Now the Mayor of AMity it throwing kids into the ocean with Jaws just waiting....

God, I hate De Santis.Thank heaven I live on the other side of the country from him.

Everytime I see a negative news article from America, it's usually something to do with Florida lol

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13 hours ago, fmpro said:


Yeah. We still haven`t used the whip or gift offerings. I hope we can crawl to 80% in the next couple of months. But its going to be tough. Lets see if we all also have to vaccinate 5-11 year old soon, to get a few more %

 

It might get to the point where the unvaccinated end up with antibodies soon anyway.

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4 hours ago, Chicago said:

It might get to the point where the unvaccinated end up with antibodies soon anyway.

The issue there of course being that the antibodies only seem to last for a limited time.

I had lunch with my best friend, whose father passed from Covid in Feb, and I thought he had a great analogy.

 

If you get the flu, does it mean you are safe from getting the flu again? Of course not, the only way to truly protect yourself (and others) is to get the vaccine. 

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Been hesitating bringing this up, but with mounting irritation/anger at folks who are still unvaccinated at this point might be a good time to do it.

 

On this board and elsewhere where this is a, oh let's say implicit tilt to the left, there is a lot of blame being thrown in the direction of MAGA types as for why there are still folks who aren't getting vaccinated.

 

That's certainly a factor.  It might even be the largest factor.

 

The danger is thinking it's the only factor.  It isn't.  Not by a country mile.

 

Unfortunately there are plenty of people out there who are reluctant/delaying/refusing a life saving vaccination who don't fit the MAGA Mold. It hasn't been talked about in this thread in a while, but the hesitancy/distrust among some women and minorities in regards to the health care system is well documented.  I think the common thread here is: Varying Levels of Distrust Regarding Authority/Elites.   

 

MAGA Nation has supercharged this among a segment of the population, but it's still out there in many other walks of life, including ones where one might not think it would occur.

 

Don't believe me?  Consider the stances of a few teacher  unions out there who are coming out against vaccine mandates for teachers.  This is a group that is thought of as generally on the left end of the spectrum when it comes to American politics. Part of it can be seen as seeing everything though a lens of collective bargaining, but I do think there is a more fundamental problem of seeing things in an adversarial relationship as well has hearing from vocal members of the rank and file that they don't want to be forced to take a vaccine.

 

Now, of course, the background slime pool of misinformation regarding the COIVD vaccines is helping fester a lot of this hesitancy.  But why its taking root among folks, or at least finding a receptive audience, isn't quite as cut and dry as it might seem at first blush.

 

Just something to remember as we start to enter the mandate portion of this pandemic.  Don't be surprised to see backlashes in unexpected places, is I suppose what I am saying.

 

(Mind, because teacher unions are implicitly tied to the more liberal end of the political spectrum in the US, I would expect them in time to be persuaded/fall in line as unrelenting pressure from the rest of the broad liberal coalition is brought down on them like a ton of bricks.  Could be a nasty fight in the short term though, and I am more or less saying: Don't be surprised if it happens.)

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8 hours ago, Chicago said:

Everytime I see a negative news article from America, it's usually something to do with Florida lol

Texas is catching up fast, though.

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11 minutes ago, Porthos said:

Been hesitating bringing this up, but with mounting irritation/anger at folks who are still unvaccinated at this point might be a good time to do it.

 

On this board and elsewhere where this is a, oh let's say implicit tilt to the left, there is a lot of blame being thrown in the direction of MAGA types as for why there are still folks who aren't getting vaccinated.

 

That's certainly a factor.  It might even be the largest factor.

 

The danger is thinking it's the only factor.  It isn't.  Not by a country mile.

 

Unfortunately there are plenty of people out there who are reluctant/delaying/refusing a life saving vaccination who don't fit the MAGA Mold. It hasn't been talked about in this thread in a while, but the hesitancy/distrust among some women and minorities in regards to the health care system is well documented.  I think the common thread here is: Varying Levels of Distrust Regarding Authority/Elites.   

 

MAGA Nation has supercharged this among a segment of the population, but it's still out there in many other walks of life, including ones where one might not think it would occur.

 

Don't believe me?  Consider the stances of a few teacher  unions out there who are coming out against vaccine mandates for teachers.  This is a group that is thought of as generally on the left end of the spectrum when it comes to American politics. Part of it can be seen as seeing everything though a lens of collective bargaining, but I do think there is a more fundamental problem of seeing things in an adversarial relationship as well has hearing from vocal members of the rank and file that they don't want to be forced to take a vaccine.

 

Now, of course, the background slime pool of misinformation regarding the COIVD vaccines is helping fester a lot of this hesitancy.  But why its taking root among folks, or at least finding a receptive audience, isn't quite as cut and dry as it might seem at first blush.

 

Just something to remember as we start to enter the mandate portion of this pandemic.  Don't be surprised to see backlashes in unexpected places, is I suppose what I am saying.

 

(Mind, because teacher unions are implicitly tied to the more liberal end of the political spectrum in the US, I would expect them in time to be persuaded/fall in line as unrelenting pressure from the rest of the broad liberal coalition is brought down on them like a ton of bricks.  Could be a nasty fight in the short term though, and I am more or less saying: Don't be surprised if it happens.)

It is fine to be a bit mistrustful of authoraty, but when you begin to reject basis facts of science then you have become batcrap crazy.

Problem is too many people see themselves as Neo in "The Matrix" bravely fighting a vast conspiracy by THE MAN.

I wish I had a dime every time I have seen somebody peddling a kooky conspiracy theory on the net scream "TAKE THE RED PILL MAN!".

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11 hours ago, Chicago said:

It might get to the point where the unvaccinated end up with antibodies soon anyway.


yeah. But is that enough fir fighting Delta. I doubt it

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15 hours ago, Porthos said:

Been hesitating bringing this up, but with mounting irritation/anger at folks who are still unvaccinated at this point might be a good time to do it.

 

On this board and elsewhere where this is a, oh let's say implicit tilt to the left, there is a lot of blame being thrown in the direction of MAGA types as for why there are still folks who aren't getting vaccinated.

 

That's certainly a factor.  It might even be the largest factor.

 

The danger is thinking it's the only factor.  It isn't.  Not by a country mile.

 

Unfortunately there are plenty of people out there who are reluctant/delaying/refusing a life saving vaccination who don't fit the MAGA Mold. It hasn't been talked about in this thread in a while, but the hesitancy/distrust among some women and minorities in regards to the health care system is well documented.  I think the common thread here is: Varying Levels of Distrust Regarding Authority/Elites.   

 

MAGA Nation has supercharged this among a segment of the population, but it's still out there in many other walks of life, including ones where one might not think it would occur.

 

Don't believe me?  Consider the stances of a few teacher  unions out there who are coming out against vaccine mandates for teachers.  This is a group that is thought of as generally on the left end of the spectrum when it comes to American politics. Part of it can be seen as seeing everything though a lens of collective bargaining, but I do think there is a more fundamental problem of seeing things in an adversarial relationship as well has hearing from vocal members of the rank and file that they don't want to be forced to take a vaccine.

 

Now, of course, the background slime pool of misinformation regarding the COIVD vaccines is helping fester a lot of this hesitancy.  But why its taking root among folks, or at least finding a receptive audience, isn't quite as cut and dry as it might seem at first blush.

 

Just something to remember as we start to enter the mandate portion of this pandemic.  Don't be surprised to see backlashes in unexpected places, is I suppose what I am saying.

 

(Mind, because teacher unions are implicitly tied to the more liberal end of the political spectrum in the US, I would expect them in time to be persuaded/fall in line as unrelenting pressure from the rest of the broad liberal coalition is brought down on them like a ton of bricks.  Could be a nasty fight in the short term though, and I am more or less saying: Don't be surprised if it happens.)

 

 

The only people who have any reason to be exempt are those whose doctors advise them against it for health reasons, whatever those may be. 

 

Others who are hesitating may not be MAGA but are hesitating why? At this point, what are they afraid of? There are no good reasons. Distrust from the past is not a good reason because they aren't being singled out to take vaccines whilst others are not. Everyone else has already taken it. 

 

People deserve to lose their 'rights' to visit places, travel etc. because they are a threat. Every unvaccinated person is another chance for the virus to mutate. So it should be mandated, but all these "muh freedom" idiots will cry out again, as if they even have any freedom in the first place. It's not critical thinking, it's the absence of thinking. 

 

I'm positive that Asia will eventually have the most % vaccinated since the countries are most willing and adept at enforcing these mandates. & if covid isn't stamped out, I'm positive too that it will be a Western country in which a breakthrough variant rises and we will begin this stupid avoidable charade again. And who will suffer the most but the poor countries yet again because selfish, privileged idiots in the West refuse to do the right thing. 

 

Trump being elected hasn't been the only eye-opener about America for the ROTW. The entire system is utter BS and yet both sides think they have a democracy. And they say the Chinese and Russians are propagandized. 

 

And let's not forget the imperialism. Reparations for American black people is already such a taboo topic, what more about what imperialist countries owe the rest of us? Your prosperity is built on the back of slaves and the blood of other nations & yet the only retort both parties have is the worship of corporations & capitalism and the socialist boogeyman. Give me a break. 

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18 hours ago, Porthos said:

Been hesitating bringing this up, but with mounting irritation/anger at folks who are still unvaccinated at this point might be a good time to do it.

 

On this board and elsewhere where this is a, oh let's say implicit tilt to the left, there is a lot of blame being thrown in the direction of MAGA types as for why there are still folks who aren't getting vaccinated.

 

That's certainly a factor.  It might even be the largest factor.

 

The danger is thinking it's the only factor.  It isn't.  Not by a country mile.

 

Unfortunately there are plenty of people out there who are reluctant/delaying/refusing a life saving vaccination who don't fit the MAGA Mold. It hasn't been talked about in this thread in a while, but the hesitancy/distrust among some women and minorities in regards to the health care system is well documented.  I think the common thread here is: Varying Levels of Distrust Regarding Authority/Elites.   

 

MAGA Nation has supercharged this among a segment of the population, but it's still out there in many other walks of life, including ones where one might not think it would occur.

 

Don't believe me?  Consider the stances of a few teacher  unions out there who are coming out against vaccine mandates for teachers.  This is a group that is thought of as generally on the left end of the spectrum when it comes to American politics. Part of it can be seen as seeing everything though a lens of collective bargaining, but I do think there is a more fundamental problem of seeing things in an adversarial relationship as well has hearing from vocal members of the rank and file that they don't want to be forced to take a vaccine.

 

Now, of course, the background slime pool of misinformation regarding the COIVD vaccines is helping fester a lot of this hesitancy.  But why its taking root among folks, or at least finding a receptive audience, isn't quite as cut and dry as it might seem at first blush.

 

Just something to remember as we start to enter the mandate portion of this pandemic.  Don't be surprised to see backlashes in unexpected places, is I suppose what I am saying.

 

(Mind, because teacher unions are implicitly tied to the more liberal end of the political spectrum in the US, I would expect them in time to be persuaded/fall in line as unrelenting pressure from the rest of the broad liberal coalition is brought down on them like a ton of bricks.  Could be a nasty fight in the short term though, and I am more or less saying: Don't be surprised if it happens.)

 

This is very good to keep in mind, and while Republicans are less likely than both Democrats and independents (keep in mind all 3 group are roughly in the 30's) that how the unvaccinated are cut is not just a political cut - though R"s are much less likely than D's to get vaccinated and there is a significant number of I's that are also saying they won't get vaccinated.

As the 538 article below points out there are really big differences based on both age and ethnicity.

Younger are much less likely to get the vaccine than older and Black and non-White Hispanics are much less likely to get vaccinated than caucasians.  It isn't just hesitency either. It also revolves around access to the vaccine and having time to get it.

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/partisanship-isnt-the-only-reason-why-so-many-americans-remain-unvaccinated/

 

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I don't think there will ever be widespread government vaccine mandates in the US, that is something that tends to run counter to basic American culture. There will be areas where they will be instituted, but how widespread will be questionable.

 

i think companies are where to watch as they have alot more leeway to do what they want. Where i work they require masking regardless of vaccination status. I was supposed to go back into the office in 3 weeks but that was pushed back to November yesterday due to the delta variant. Most companies are not going to take firm action until vaccines get final approval from the FDA, but it will be interesting to see how many make a move to mandate it once that comes. My company started encouraging employees to provide their vaccination status yesterday.

 

As Porthos mentioned above, most unions to this point have been anti-mandate, Will that change over time? 

 

In my mind the reason to watch companies is liability. Companies are always weighing liability in their decision making.

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20 hours ago, Porthos said:

Been hesitating bringing this up, but with mounting irritation/anger at folks who are still unvaccinated at this point might be a good time to do it.

 

On this board and elsewhere where this is a, oh let's say implicit tilt to the left, there is a lot of blame being thrown in the direction of MAGA types as for why there are still folks who aren't getting vaccinated.

 

That's certainly a factor.  It might even be the largest factor.

 

The danger is thinking it's the only factor.  It isn't.  Not by a country mile.

 

Unfortunately there are plenty of people out there who are reluctant/delaying/refusing a life saving vaccination who don't fit the MAGA Mold. It hasn't been talked about in this thread in a while, but the hesitancy/distrust among some women and minorities in regards to the health care system is well documented.  I think the common thread here is: Varying Levels of Distrust Regarding Authority/Elites.   

 

MAGA Nation has supercharged this among a segment of the population, but it's still out there in many other walks of life, including ones where one might not think it would occur.

 

Don't believe me?  Consider the stances of a few teacher  unions out there who are coming out against vaccine mandates for teachers.  This is a group that is thought of as generally on the left end of the spectrum when it comes to American politics. Part of it can be seen as seeing everything though a lens of collective bargaining, but I do think there is a more fundamental problem of seeing things in an adversarial relationship as well has hearing from vocal members of the rank and file that they don't want to be forced to take a vaccine.

 

Now, of course, the background slime pool of misinformation regarding the COIVD vaccines is helping fester a lot of this hesitancy.  But why its taking root among folks, or at least finding a receptive audience, isn't quite as cut and dry as it might seem at first blush.

 

Just something to remember as we start to enter the mandate portion of this pandemic.  Don't be surprised to see backlashes in unexpected places, is I suppose what I am saying.

 

(Mind, because teacher unions are implicitly tied to the more liberal end of the political spectrum in the US, I would expect them in time to be persuaded/fall in line as unrelenting pressure from the rest of the broad liberal coalition is brought down on them like a ton of bricks.  Could be a nasty fight in the short term though, and I am more or less saying: Don't be surprised if it happens.)

People's political spectrum doesn't really translate to the vaccine hesitancy worldwide either. In the UK it is mainly the young who are hesitant and it's the opposing, slightly left party making it difficult to get vaccine mandates passed. I guess most of these members are Americans and can only go by what they experience in their country. 

 

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4 hours ago, BK007 said:

 

 

And let's not forget the imperialism. Reparations for American black people is already such a taboo topic, what more about what imperialist countries owe the rest of us? Your prosperity is built on the back of slaves and the blood of other nations & yet the only retort both parties have is the worship of corporations & capitalism and the socialist boogeyman. Give me a break. 

Aren't most countries? 

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The way I see, we are fighting a war, and in wars, democracy gets suspended, you get conscripted, you do your bit for the benefit all.

 

Vaccine should be mandatory.

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3 hours ago, AndyK said:

The way I see, we are fighting a war, and in wars, democracy gets suspended, you get conscripted, you do your bit for the benefit all.

 

Vaccine should be mandatory.


Seems kinda dramatic. Just get the vaccine or don’t. If you want to be stupid and put yourself at risk fine, plenty of Darwin Award recipients to go around. 
 

I got mine, my grandparents got theirs and life has went on. I could give a fuck if conspiracy theory politics loonatics bite the fucking dust.

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1 minute ago, Mango said:


Seems kinda dramatic. Just get the vaccine or don’t. If you want to be stupid and put yourself at risk fine, plenty of Darwin Award recipients to go around. 
 

I got mine, my grandparents got theirs and life has went on. I could give a fuck if conspiracy theory politics loonatics bite the fucking dust.

If that was that was only that, but it is much more than that, the more infested people the more variant get created and in the first Isrealy study they did show that in 100% of the case of a fully vaccinated people getting infected, the prime suspect was unvaccinated.

 

If 95% of the planet get vaccinated instead of 60%, that possibly a complete game changer.

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