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10 minutes ago, Chicago said:

Germany is definitely up there as one of the best countries to live in

 

England of course I would love but Brexit puts it lower on my list.

 

Germany is up there, Italy (wife's choice happy wife happy life). Right now plan is Portugal. Absolutely love the country, the people, everything about that place.

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2 hours ago, EmpireCity said:

Anyways, in the spirit of not getting a warning or points, I'll just say the popularity of people shitting on the United States has gone completely overboard.  This is a country with its issues like any other, but at the end of the day it is still a great country and offers the most opportunity and does and has done more for the rest of the world than any other country.  

 

I get a bit worked up when people throw such blatant disrespect.  There are still people alive that gave up their youth and watched their friends die to stomp out fascism and communism.  People who didn't have to volunteer chose to go and stop the reign of madness by countries like Germany, Japan, Russia and others.  Helped save and fight along side England, France, China, Holland, Belgium, etc... 

 

Europe especially owes their current freedoms directly to the selflessness of the citizen soldiers of the United States of America.  

 

Rant over.  That is all.  

 

America's involment in the war likely shortened it but 2-3 years, it didn't save the day. Saying Europe owes their freedom to the American soldiers is a stretch as America understandably wanted no involvement in the war up until Pearl Harbour. By that point you were dragged. Their involvement came after significant events had already happened. Battle of Britain was long before whilst Russia had already sacrificed a ridiculous amount of soldiers. 

 

Movies like SPR make people think events like DDay was some big US victory yet most people don't realise that less than 50% of the soldiers deployed that day were American, and the reason significant milestones like that were achieved were due to raw intelligence rather than manpower which we don't see in movies.

 

Every country played their part during the war, it was an allied victory, and if anything America benefited from the war as it did wonders to their wealth, and you got some useful scientists out of it

 

 

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15 hours ago, Chicago said:

America's involment in the war likely shortened it but 2-3 years, it didn't save the day.

Uh, I’m sorry, what now? You can’t seriously believe that Russia+the UK we’re going to win on their own if the US was like “we’ll just be neutral, peace out y’all.”

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1 hour ago, titanic2187 said:

Wake up and stop living in the past glory.  

 


“We are not loosing to China… We allready lost” 😁

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17 hours ago, Chicago said:

 

America's involment in the war likely shortened it but 2-3 years, it didn't save the day. Saying Europe owes their freedom to the American soldiers is a stretch as America understandably wanted no involvement in the war up until Pearl Harbour. By that point you were dragged. Their involvement came after significant events had already happened. Battle of Britain was long before whilst Russia had already sacrificed a ridiculous amount of soldiers. 

 

Movies like SPR make people think events like DDay was some big US victory yet most people don't realise that less than 50% of the soldiers deployed that day were American, and the reason significant milestones like that were achieved were due to raw intelligence rather than manpower which we don't see in movies.

 

Every country played their part during the war, it was an allied victory, and if anything America benefited from the war as it did wonders to their wealth, and you got some useful scientists out of it

 

 

 

People tend to forget that the US lost 400.000 soldiers (deaths) in the battles against Nazi Germany, roughly the same number as Britain.

 

And then you have the Soviets, who lost (officially) 8.7 MILLION Soldiers and it is estimated that it is much more (note: Thats only military deaths, not civillians. They account for another 10 Million+ deaths).

Its not even comparable which country actually won the War against the Nazis. The Allied invasions in Italy 1943 and in France 1944 were the nail in the coffin for the Germans, but the main reason for the Axis defeat in Europe was the Eastern Front. The Soviets alone would have eventually defeated the Third Reich, as the Wehrmacht was basically defeated srategically after Stalingrad 1943 and at the latest tactically after Operation Bagration 1944. The rush of the Western Allies to Eastern Germany in 1945 was after all also to secure their part of the German cake as Russian (communist) influence and control was widely feared should they overrun even more parts of Europe.

 

Sorry for the further history digression, but as a history student i cant help myself with such topics.

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2 hours ago, Legion of the Ten Crores said:

Uh, I’m sorry, what now? You can’t seriously believe that Russia+the UK we’re going to win on their own if the US was like “we’ll just be neutral, peace out y’all.”

 

I guess it all depends on Japan. For America not to join, it would require no attack from Japan and if Japan were not involved then an allied victory would have been likely. Russia's manpower would have taken on Germany's split army. If Japan were involved without the US then a victory would have been more difficult as they would likely have attacked Russia forcing them to fight on two fronts potentially leading to the Soviets fall. This would then allow Europe to be controlled by a single power with resources likely assigned to defending the west making a DDay landing impossible. Britain would have likely been bombed to oblivion before Hitler eventually produces the world's first atomic bomb. By that point if America arent't involved then they are fooked anyway.

 

Then again many believe the Soviets were simply too powerful to defeat. So yeah I think there will have still been an allied victory, it will have just been much harder and the cost of lives will have been far greater without the US involvement. Removing Russian from the equations gives the most likely chance at an Axis victory. If you take Britain out, America would never be able to set foot into Europe and Hitler would occupy most of Africa and the Southeast. Cracking the enigma code alone is said to have saved up to 2m lives, and that was done without firing a bullet. It's fair to say that every countries role was significant and no single country should be able to say they 'saved the day', especially not Johnny come lately 🤣

 

 

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1 hour ago, Brainbug said:

 

People tend to forget that the US lost 400.000 soldiers (deaths) in the battles against Nazi Germany, roughly the same number as Britain.

 

And then you have the Soviets, who lost (officially) 8.7 MILLION Soldiers and it is estimated that it is much more (note: Thats only military deaths, not civillians. They account for another 10 Million+ deaths).

Its not even comparable which country actually won the War against the Nazis. The Allied invasions in Italy 1943 and in France 1944 were the nail in the coffin for the Germans, but the main reason for the Axis defeat in Europe was the Eastern Front. The Soviets alone would have eventually defeated the Third Reich, as the Wehrmacht was basically defeated srategically after Stalingrad 1943 and at the latest tactically after Operation Bagration 1944. The rush of the Western Allies to Eastern Germany in 1945 was after all also to secure their part of the German cake as Russian (communist) influence and control was widely feared should they overrun even more parts of Europe.

 

Sorry for the further history digression, but as a history student i cant help myself with such topics.

 

The eastern front was definitely the bloodiest of the war. The Soviets would have thrown in every man they had to get a victory. Germany would have likely ran out of bullets before Russia ran out of soldiers lol. 

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8 hours ago, fmpro said:


“We are not loosing to China… We allready lost” 😁

And people still denying the problem. Denial won't make the problem disappear, it merely delaying the problem-solving process. And let's face it, every country have their problem or flaw but I believe none of them impact the world like USA's one,

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Isn't this Covid thread not let's all shit on America thread? I'm not saying we don't have a lot of big problems here but a lot of y'all are just making the same points over again. Like, we get the problems. We live here.

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2 hours ago, Menor said:

Isn't this Covid thread not let's all shit on America thread? I'm not saying we don't have a lot of big problems here but a lot of y'all are just making the same points over again. Like, we get the problems. We live here.

We had Brexit, now it's your turn 😅

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On 9/17/2021 at 9:59 PM, Inceptionzq said:

 

It goes both ways ;)

Indeed.

As a American, I don't mind criticism..heaven's knows we deserve it, but I don't like the smart ass contempt you see from all the "edgy" people who don't like the uS.

And those who praise CHina over the US are.well, just plain crazy if you give a damn about freedom and Democracy.I am worried about both surviving in the US, but as of right now CHina is much,much worse on those two items.

 

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1 hour ago, Chicago said:

We had Brexit, now it's your turn 😅

I hope not. Last time the US had a seperatist mobvement it did not turn out too well.

See "The Civil War" for details.

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On 9/18/2021 at 1:32 PM, Chicago said:

 

America's involment in the war likely shortened it but 2-3 years, it didn't save the day. Saying Europe owes their freedom to the American soldiers is a stretch as America understandably wanted no involvement in the war up until Pearl Harbour. By that point you were dragged. Their involvement came after significant events had already happened. Battle of Britain was long before whilst Russia had already sacrificed a ridiculous amount of soldiers. 

 

Movies like SPR make people think events like DDay was some big US victory yet most people don't realise that less than 50% of the soldiers deployed that day were American, and the reason significant milestones like that were achieved were due to raw intelligence rather than manpower which we don't see in movies.

 

Every country played their part during the war, it was an allied victory, and if anything America benefited from the war as it did wonders to their wealth, and you got some useful scientists out of it

 

 

 

That something that is repeated quite a bit, but and I could be extremely wrong European theater American involvement was almost voluntary while Soviet were an allied to the Nazi (with the plan to invade all of Europe with them going on) and were the one forced into fighting against Germany with Operation Barbarossa.

 

Has for no involvement in the war until Pearly Harbor that sound an exaggeration.

 

For example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Reuben_James_(DD-245)

Fate Sunk by U-552 in the North Atlantic Ocean, 31 October 1941

 

That more than a month before Pearl Harbor that an American destroyer that was escorting a shipment to Ireland was sunk by a German Submarine, that because the USA were actively helping Europe, with moneys-goods-military escorts and so on (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease) or when they exchanged 50 boats to the UK for a lease for military location on British owe territory has a way to go around the laws.

 

Would the UK accept to be virtually the only one fighting against Italy-Germany-Russia for a while, without the existence of the USA and their help ?

 

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8 hours ago, Barnack said:

 

That something that is repeated quite a bit, but and I could be extremely wrong European theater American involvement was almost voluntary while Soviet were an allied to the Nazi (with the plan to invade all of Europe with them going on) and were the one forced into fighting against Germany with Operation Barbarossa.

 

Has for no involvement in the war until Pearly Harbor that sound an exaggeration.

 

For example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Reuben_James_(DD-245)

Fate Sunk by U-552 in the North Atlantic Ocean, 31 October 1941

 

That more than a month before Pearl Harbor that an American destroyer that was escorting a shipment to Ireland was sunk by a German Submarine, that because the USA were actively helping Europe, with moneys-goods-military escorts and so on (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease) or when they exchanged 50 boats to the UK for a lease for military location on British owe territory has a way to go around the laws.

 

Would the UK accept to be virtually the only one fighting against Italy-Germany-Russia for a while, without the existence of the USA and their help ?

 

 

We don't really care about how people view our effort in the war, we don't wanna be knight in shining armour, it's just many Brits are used to hearing Americans claim they saved the day which we have to debunk from time to time. It also wasn't just the UK fighting at that time, we had the commonwealth made up of Canadians, Australians and some African Colonies. Battle of Britain owes much of its Victory to the Polish pilots who were our MVP's after seeing their country be taken over.

 

As for the 50 wasrships, they were WW1 leftovers that were in need of maintence and didn't end up helping much at all. I believe only a few of them ended up getting put into action, and in return you were given designs for radar, jet engines, gold and securities. 

 

You did also help supply Russia with supplies from the UK trading routes too however even that came a little too late as the tide had already began to turn to the Soviets favour as we had supplied them at a greater time in need and I'm pretty sure we did it for Free. Soviets wanting to split Poland between them and Germany makes it hard for  people to give Russia too much credit lol. And yes America did show favouritism before officially joining the war but then let's face it, you weren't exactly going to side with the Germans (well except for Joseph Kennedy). You got a country attempting world domination going against a previous ally, of course you couldn't be too neutral.

 

1 thing that's crazy, after the war, Britain's wealth dropped to 1/3 of its previous self whereas America's wealth trippled. The war cost the British it's Empire which many probably see as necessary, however had Britain decided to sit the beginning of that war out and not get involved, we wouldn't have bankrupted ourselves and that nuclear bomb will have been made before 1945 but we weren't just going to sit there whilst our friends were being invaded.

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3 hours ago, DeeCee said:

These kids are doing fantastic work. 

 


Almost 2/3 so far in Denmark from the 12-15 group has taken the shot

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