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18 minutes ago, ban1o said:

I said from the very beginning the R-rating  was a Big mistake but was shut down. NOW people are agreeing lol.  It made no sense to give it an R rating. 

I would have agreed early on...

 

The thing with Harley's popularity is that it is strongest with the under 18 set (and even little girls)...

 

I'm not sure people wanted gruesome or genuinely horrific scenes for Harley...or not enough people wanted them.

 

To the poster who said moms won't take girls...yes...my spouse and I considered seeing this, but the R rating and the reasons for the R rating meant we never considered taking our 2 huge superhero movie loving teen girls...I mean, I have 6 folks in the family, but I never considered the Atom 5 for $35 deal for my fam b/c well, it will get spoilery if I continue (b/c having read certain scenes, they don't need them yet in a "colorful/fun" supers movie, which they would expect Harley to be).

 

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4 minutes ago, AJG said:


The Joker didn’t stick close to the source material and made billions. The director is also not a seasoned geek friendly director, his most notable films were Hangover (and their garbage sequels) and Starsky and Hutch. Captain America and the last two Avenger movies were directed by the duo behind You Me and Dupree.

 

Also the idea of sticking close to source material for comic book movies is also ridiculous. The audience that have ever read a comic book would be in the low single digits (and I’m certain most of them stopped reading comics in the late 1980s). 
Being “close to the source material” for comic movies is waste of time and I probably think of dozens of great CBM’s that are incredibly disassociated with their source.

Joker had a much lower budget. I’m still shocked by its success.

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https://www.boxofficepro.com/long-range-box-office-tracking-the-lovebirds-the-new-mutants-peter-rabbit-2-the-runaway/

 

8-Week Tracking & Forecasts

Release Date Title 3-Day (FSS) Opening Tracking Range 3-Day (FSS) Opening Forecast % Chg from Last Week Domestic Total Range Domestic Total Forecast % Chg from Last Week Distributor
2/14/2020 Downhill   n/a NEW   n/a NEW Searchlight Pictures
2/14/2020 Blumhouse’s Fantasy Island $12,000,000 – $17,000,000 $14,000,000 -10% $30,000,000 – $45,000,000 $31,000,000 -23% Sony / Columbia
2/14/2020 The Photograph $10,000,000 – $15,000,000 $13,000,000   $20,000,000 – $30,000,000 $24,000,000 -20% Universal
2/14/2020 Sonic the Hedgehog $33,000,000 – $38,000,000 $36,000,000 6% $110,000,000 – $140,000,000 $125,000,000 6% Paramount
2/21/2020 Brahms: The Boy 2 $7,000,000 – $12,000,000 $8,000,000   $15,000,000 – $28,000,000 $17,800,000   STX
2/21/2020 Call of the Wild $15,000,000 – $20,000,000 $13,000,000 -13% $50,000,000 – $65,000,000 $44,000,000 -12% 20th Century
2/28/2020 The Invisible Man $20,000,000 – $40,000,000 $30,000,000   $60,000,000 – $105,000,000 $80,000,000   Universal
3/6/2020 Onward $50,000,000 – $70,000,000 $60,000,000   $175,000,000 – $250,000,000 $227,000,000   Disney / Pixar
3/6/2020 The Way Back $12,000,000 – $17,000,000 $13,000,000   $40,000,000 – $60,000,000 $43,500,000   Warner Bros.
3/13/2020 Bloodshot $12,000,000 – $17,000,000 $14,000,000   $30,000,000 – $45,000,000 $36,000,000   Sony / Columbia
3/13/2020 I Still Believe $13,000,000 – $18,000,000 $14,500,000   $44,000,000 – $59,000,000 $49,000,000   Lionsgate
3/13/2020 My Spy $8,000,000 – $13,000,000 $10,000,000   $25,000,000 – $45,000,000 $36,000,000   STX
3/13/2020 Untitled Blumhouse Productions Project   n/a     n/a   Universal
3/20/2020 A Quiet Place Part II $60,000,000 – $80,000,000 $72,000,000   $140,000,000 – $190,000,000 $168,000,000   Paramount
3/27/2020 Mulan $40,000,000 – $60,000,000 $46,000,000   $115,000,000 – $170,000,000 $132,000,000   Disney
4/3/2020 The Lovebirds $10,000,000 – $15,000,000 $12,000,000 NEW $35,000,000 – $50,000,000 $42,000,000 NEW Paramount
4/3/2020 The New Mutants $15,000,000 – $25,000,000 $17,000,000 NEW $35,000,000 – $55,000,000 $37,000,000 NEW 20th Century
4/3/2020 Peter Rabbit 2: The Runaway $14,000,000 – $19,000,000 $18,500,000 NEW $65,000,000 – $85,000,000 $71,000,000 NEW Sony / Columbia
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people here are making a good point about the rating. I was excited about R rating but I'm not the primary target audience which appears to be the underage girls. WB missed the memo too so it made a movie that targeted Joker and other crowd that likes ultra-violent movies, so demo that's most interested in this character got left out. OTOH, other demos apparently don't care about HQ all that much even in an ultra violent movie that should have appealed to them. 

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8 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

average. CM had over 60% male attendance. CBM movies still skew male. WW had 56% female attendance from what I remember and Aquaman was popular with ladies for very obvious reason. :)

Fair play! And there you make a good point... Aquaman appealed to a female demographic because of Momoa’s physical appeal. Perhaps Birds Of Prey went too far in neutering Harley’s? I don’t know. I’m just fishing for reasons here... I’m a little surprised it’s underperforming this much.

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2 hours ago, narniadis said:

If anything this number shows how much @keysersoze123 and the tracking thread are improving. Keyser expressed more than once that his concern was the previews showing a major skew to MTC1 and the 2 biggest markets (LA and NY). MTC2 under indexed and it shows as the middle areas just didnt come out, and neither did women (as one would have hoped with this film). Very interesting results that can be used for a longtime going forward.

It was like this for Joker as well, and Frozen 2 had the opposite trend. I think the big markets tend to come out more for adult fare while other areas are more skewed toward family audiences. 

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12 minutes ago, John Marston said:

Audiences have spoken! These movies should be more serious and dramatic like Joker rather than tongue in cheek parodies like Shazam and Birds of Prey 

I do remember just how down to earth, gritty and ultra realistic Deadpool was. You’re absolutely right.

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Just now, FunkMiller said:

Fair play! And there you make a good point... Aquaman appealed to a female demographic because of Momoa’s physical appeal. Perhaps Birds Of Prey went too far in neutering Harley’s? I don’t know. I’m just fishing for reasons here... I’m a little surprised it’s underperforming this much.

I've read somewhere that recent studies show women largely prefer movies and shows with mixed male-female cast rather than all-male or all-female. However, if you look at social media, there's a big push for all-female this and that even though women apparently like it mixed (read: like to ogle ripped chads like Momoa or cute twinks like Chalamet, like romance). There's also big campaign to nix romance and introduce more female leads who don't need [to be in a relationship with] a man. So it seems to me that there's a discrepancy between what audience wants and what some circles insist that audience should want [but audience not necessarily does or ever will]. 

 

My take is that most people aka GA are centrist in nature, lean a bit left about some issues and a bit right about other issues but they are generally moderate in their views. the more a movie goes to either left or right extreme [translation: bashes one group to prop the other], the more limited the appeal of the movie. 

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1 minute ago, Valonqar said:

 

My take is that most people aka GA are centrist in nature, lean a bit left about some issues and a bit right about other issues but they are generally moderate in their views. the more a movie goes to either left or right extreme [translation: bashes one group to prop the other], the more limited the appeal of the movie. 

And that’s a great take. Completely agree. You don’t empower one group by disenfranchising another. Look at Wonder Woman - both Diana and Steve are presented as strong, capable people. Or Alien - Sigourney Weaver’s strength does not come at the expense of the other crew members. I could go on with many more examples, there are actually quite a lot of them!

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I don't think the R rating had anything to do with how the movie's doing. Why should Deadpool/Logan/Joker be able to do well with an R rating but not a Harley Quinn movie? It's not like all of a sudden all of Harley's fans are 14 years old. I really do think it comes down to WB overestimating her popularity. Sure, she was probably the best part of Suicide Squad. But people still didn't really like that movie overall.

 

"The best part of a bad movie" doesn't really sound like a great reason to pay to see another movie. I never saw Cats, so I don't really know whether this actor was good or not in the movie, but let's say "Ian McKellen was very good in Cats". It's not like people are going to automatically flock to see a Cats spin-off starring his character. 

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Just now, FunkMiller said:

And that’s a great take. Completely agree. You don’t empower one group by disenfranchising another. Look at Wonder Woman - both Diana and Steve are presented as strong, capable people. Or Alien - Sigourney Weaver’s strength does not come at the expense of the other crew members. I could go on with many more examples, there are actually quite a lot of them!

exactly. everyone is included instead of having "inclusion" by replacement or having one group overpower the other. 

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