Weekend Thread: Friday #s - Onward 12.1, Invisible Man 4.3, Way Back 2.6 | Blame It On the Roni

[Valonqar]

1 hour ago, sfran43 said:

 

51 minutes ago, sfran43 said:

 

wait, isn't that a great hold for TIM both dom and OS? What happened to corona? Ah, yes, it magically only affects that Dreamworks movie, I mean Pixar movie that looks like Dreamworks. 

[john2000]

1 minute ago, Valonqar said:

wait, isn't that a great hold for TIM both dom and OS? What happened to corona? Ah, yes, it magically only affects that Dreamworks movie, I mean Pixar movie that looks like Dreamworks. 

if corona had really a big affect in os markets, the holdovers wouldnt have this kind of drops 

 

 

ps its just seems that the people just werent intrested

Edited March 8, 2020 by john2000

[cannastop]

Zootopia was the right movie at the right time.

Onward was the wrong movie at the wrong time.

[filmlover]

I think the whole concept behind Onward just failed to connect on a major scale. It's like what happened with Birds of Prey last month: sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. You don't always know how well a movie will do until it's actually out and then the rest is hindsight.

[Valonqar]

agreed! @john2000 and @filmlover

 

 

Edited March 8, 2020 by Valonqar

[wildphantom]

Genuine question. 
Is it not more likely for parents to stay at home with their kids than it is for adults to go out to a movie? 
 

I mean, there’s surely a whole world of difference making a decision for others’ health than there is your own. Especially when it comes to family. 
 

I don’t know. I’m just throwing that out there. I personally do think this virus hype has spooked a little off what Onward might have done. 
 

would be interesting to hear whether matinee/daytime business with families seemed down compared to how Pixar films usually play on opening weekends. 

[john2000]

7 minutes ago, cannastop said:

Zootopia was the right movie at the right time.

Onward was the wrong movie at the wrong time.

not every original movie that pixar does can or will work 

[john2000]

this is year is full of suprsises in terms of box office, with some very big overperfomances

[MagnarTheGreat]

RE: Good Dinosaur comp
 

Good Dinosaur was released on a before Thanksgiving Wednesday, too, deflating that first weekend of $39.2M domestic a tad.

[filmlover]

1 minute ago, wildphantom said:

Genuine question. 
Is it not more likely for parents to stay at home with their kids than it is for adults to go out to a movie? 
 

I mean, there’s surely a whole world of difference making a decision for others’ health than there is your own. Especially when it comes to family. 
 

I don’t know. I’m just throwing that out there. I personally do think this virus hype has spooked a little off what Onward might have done. 
 

would be interesting to hear whether matinee/daytime business with families seemed down compared to how Pixar films usually play on opening weekends. 

The coronavirus scare might have hurt some of its business but you're no more likely to encounter someone with the virus at a movie theater than you are at any other public place. There were signs this was gonna underperform when tracking came in around the $40M range weeks ago so it's safe to assume that the interest just wasn't there to begin with.

[MCKillswitch123]

Bombs away @ Onward.

 

Shame, but oh well, can't interest everyone in everything. Corona has an effect, but given how a lot of movies are having strong holds, I'd say it's mostly down to lack of interest in the movie by audiences.

[RealLyre]

52 minutes ago, sfran43 said:

 

 

On 3/6/2020 at 5:50 PM, RealLyre said:

doesn't seem like COVID-19 is affecting the domestic box office yet lol 

 

40-50M opening for Onward is p good 

 

On 3/6/2020 at 6:23 PM, Arendelle Legion said:

This take is not gonna hold up well in 72 hours.   

 guess it'll live another week domestically 

 

 

the international box office tho is sinking harder than the titanic 

[MrFanaticGuy34]

2 minutes ago, john2000 said:

not every original movie that pixar does can or will work 

That and some Pixar originals haven’t made as much money as most of the Pixar sequels nowadays (excluding the Cars-sequels).

 

Finding Dory, Incredibles 2 & Toy Story 4 lately..have all been huge $1B-hits and they were sequels. Nowadays for Pixar originals...you either do good like Coco, or flop like The Good Dinosaur.

 

I guess the fact that big Pixar sequels have easier chance of being monster hits than originals have.

[john2000]

Just now, MrFanaticGuy34 said:

That and some Pixar originals haven’t made as much money as most of the Pixar sequels nowadays (excluding the Cars-sequels).

 

Finding Dory, Incredibles 2 & Toy Story 4 lately..have all been huge $1B-hits and they were sequels. Nowadays for Pixar originals...you either do good like Coco, or flop like The Good Dinosaur.

 

I guess the fact that big Pixar sequels have easier chance of being monster hits than originals have.

agreed

[OncomingStorm93]

 That Onward international number should be a Gatorade-bath of a wake up call for those who were saying a week ago that this is a minor issue.

 

This upcoming week will see enormous spikes in reported cases across America. Next week it should really start to hit our box office. If Disney insists on releasing Mulan in three weeks, which I doubt will happen, it will crash, hard.

[MovieMan89]

I don't think Corona is having a big effect on the domestic box office quite yet. Now 2-4 weeks from now might be a totally different story. OS I think is definitely affected, but this also wouldn't be the first time Pixar has gotten off to a rough start with originals OS. And if Onward didn't appeal domestically, it doesn't make much sense what it would have had going for it in any OS market. In other words, it just seems to be a plain old fashioned bomb all around. And potentially one of the biggest ever with that budget. I still think that the two a year strategy for Pixar is bound to be bad for at least one movie, and so far the track record proves it. Pixar is just too much of a brand that primarily sells their movies to the GA on the power of that brand name, and releasing two a year dilutes that. And because Soul's marketing had already started awhile ago, that looked like the more interesting and inherently Pixar film, so that's the one that I think people already earmarked as this year's Pixar movie to see. Onward honestly didn't even look like a Pixar movie in the marketing (much like TGD didn't either) and in a lot of ways looked like something DWA would do (even though I'm sure it's much better than the average DWA offering)

 

All that said, if Soul does end up underperforming too, it could be detrimental to Pixar originals considering the insane success the studio just had with I2 and TS4 (and Dory not long before). Of course, everything could be screwed this summer depending on the virus, but hopefully the execs blame it on that and not on originals not selling. 

Edited March 8, 2020 by MovieMan89

[Valonqar]

 

why would anyone be excited about these characters?

 

 

 

generic look like this exists on several cartoon network cartoons. Nothing that screams must see or something never seen before. no wonder they had to ramp up that Spidey and Star Lord were doing voices.

 

 

 

[sfran43]

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[wildphantom]

6 minutes ago, filmlover said:

The coronavirus scare might have hurt some of its business but you're no more likely to encounter someone with the virus at a movie theater than you are at any other public place. There were signs this was gonna underperform when tracking came in around the $40M range weeks ago so it's safe to assume that the interest just wasn't there to begin with.

sure, but how many family films over the years have come in 20% above tracking when they finally open?

 

I don’t think anyone can say with any kind of certainty that this was exclusively down to the movie not appealing. 
 

All over the country business is down with family orientated fare. Look at the reports of how much quieter Disneyland has been this weekend for example. 
 

I do think it’s had a little effect. I’m not saying drastic, but enough of one for some to be declaring the end of all things, when they’d have been crowing about another 10-15% in dollars. 
 

Just my two cents. There’s plenty of time for families to come out and see this of course. Yet the virus is likely to become more of a factor as the weeks go on. 
 

It’s an unfortunate situation that I’m not sure we can really provide any kind of logical analysis to in the coming weeks/months.  

[Valonqar]

The Way Back flopped but Emma did well in under 2000 theaters. 

Edited March 8, 2020 by Valonqar