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17 minutes ago, Arendelle Legion said:

Normal circumstances easily. Actuall circumstances no one can say, but I’m skeptical personally. Maybe 33->80 or something.

yikes...

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4 minutes ago, TMP said:

yikes...

With unusually massive error intervals, naturally

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imo the virus didn't push the needle on this thing any more than 2-3M OW maximum. Guess it was just always destined to be a bomb. Virus can kill its legs for sure especially if/when reports get worse. 

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33 minutes ago, Arendelle Legion said:

Normal circumstances easily. Actuall circumstances no one can say, but I’m skeptical personally. Maybe 33->80 or something.

Gonna do a over/under Dolittle DOM club or over/under Call of the Wild DOM club?

 

Seriously, I'm joking b/c it helps to lighten things up (I mean, no way it can't top those 2 DOM, right?  I mean it's budget is higher than both!)

 

And if I were really going to get going on lightness meets pessimism, I'd make a club that said Bad Boys 3, Sonic, and Doolittle hold the top 3 WW spots even through Easter...

 

 

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If Disney's distribution chief (Cathleen Taff) cites Corona as factor in Onward's performance in the Sat/Sun press coverage, then people should expect Disney to delay Mulan's NA release and probably a rejiggering of their entire release schedule. Even if they take a $50-100M write-down in marketing costs, Disney will see this as protecting their longterm investment like MGM with No Time to Die.

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12 minutes ago, Lollifroll said:

If Disney's distribution chief (Cathleen Taff) cites Corona as factor in Onward's performance in the Sat/Sun press coverage, then people should expect Disney to delay Mulan's NA release and probably a rejiggering of their entire release schedule. Even if they take a $50-100M write-down in marketing costs, Disney will see this as protecting their longterm investment like MGM with No Time to Die.

i don't see a point, the money is already spent , they won't make an extra 100m more domestic if they delay it

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7 minutes ago, Ryan Reynolds said:

i don't see a point, the money is already spent , they won't make an extra 100m more domestic if they delay it

... because they’ll make an extra 200M more 🤨 ?

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Seems like some posters need to read the conversation a few pages back....

 

Sony and Illuminations business models are dramatically different versus Pixar being a 100% US based and in California no less company. That right there on top of the cost of research and technology design that comes with each of their films is where a ton of the cost comes from. 

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18 minutes ago, Johnny Tran said:

What's the budget on Onward? 

No official number has been given unless it was slipped out today. We have tossed 175m around based on Pixar's general area of cost basis. 

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Posted (edited)

One disappointment and all the accountants are out here telling Pixar how to spend money.

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Posted (edited)

Non-MCU Disney since 2017.

 

A Wrinkle in Time: Disaster ($130mn+ loss)

Solo: Disaster ($100mn loss) - Star Wars

Incredibles 2: Blockbuster ($450mn Profit) - Pixar

Christopher Robin: Flop ($25mn loss)

The Nutcracker and the four Realms: Disaster ($70mn loss)

Ralph Breaks the Internet: Average (Breakeven)

Mary Poppins Returns: Flop ($30mn+ loss)

Dumbo: Disaster ($50mn+ loss)

Aladdin: Blockbuster ($250mn Profit)

Toy Story 4: Blockbuster ($250mn Profit) - Pixar

The Lion King: Blockbuster ($575mn Profit)

Maleficent 2: Flop ($40mn loss)

Frozen 2: Blockbuster ($500mn Profit)

Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker: Hit (~$100mn Profit depending on Home Video) - Star Wars but not really once you accrue the acquisition cost.

Onward: Disaster ($75mn loss) - Pixar

 

Barring the 4 big Blockbusters last year its quite dull for Disney. The Flop films lost about $550mn but that was cancelled out by The Lion King, leaving $1.5 Billion Approx Net Profit.

 

MCU on other hand, in last 2 years had 6 films (5 Disney), made over $2.4Bn profits while including Far From Home around $2.75 Bn.

 

MCU - $2500mn (6 films)

Disney LA - $640mn (6 films)

Pixar - $625mn (3 films)

WDAS - $500mn (2 films)

Star Wars - loss (2 films)

Disney - ($160mn) (2 films)

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5 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:

A Wrinkle in Time: Disaster ($130mn+ loss)

Solo: Disaster ($100mn loss) - Star Wars

Incredibles 2: Blockbuster ($450mn Profit) - Pixar

Christopher Robin: Flop ($25mn loss)

The Nutcracker and the four Realms: Disaster ($70mn loss)

Ralph Breaks the Internet: Average (Breakeven)

Mary Poppins Returns: Flop ($30mn+ loss)

Wow, 2018 without the SH movies for them is 350M+ loss with your estimates. 2018 SH profit absolute redonkulous though.

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1 minute ago, Arendelle Legion said:

Wow, 2018 without the SH movies for them is 350M+ loss with your estimates. 2018 SH profit absolute redonkulous though.

Yeah and some of that is both not keeping budgets under control (Poppins and Robin) and not being able to salvage a wreck after the money was spent (Time and Solo). It really was a tale of 2 sides of the coin for them. 

 

But frankly, if it was any other studio for the most part this is normal back and forth behavior. Disney really just gets it offset with Marvel, until now. 

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Disney botching Star Wars as they have is almost as incredible as their Marvel run of success.  

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Can't believe people are shitting on Pixar and praising Illumination buissness model. 

I will gladly watch Onward 10 times than Minions. 

 

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Posted (edited)

Till Yesterday

 

Studio Releases 2020 Share 2019 Share + / - %
Sony 10 444,431,239 27.47% 194,408,970 12.03% 129%
Universal 13 318,952,091 19.72% 333,172,044 20.62% -4%
Disney 3 171,742,145 10.62% 139,123,221 8.61% 23%
Paramount 4 160,726,097 9.94% 101,870,617 6.30% 58%
20th Century Fox 11 137,775,603 8.52% 138,987,930 8.60% -1%
Warner Bros. 7 122,377,512 7.56% 321,550,225 19.90% -62%
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6 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:

Till Yesterday

 

Studio Releases 2020 Share 2019 Share + / - %
Sony 10 444,431,239 27.47% 194,408,970 12.03% 129%
Universal 13 318,952,091 19.72% 333,172,044 20.62% -4%
Disney 4 171,742,145 10.62% 139,123,221 8.61% 23%
Paramount 4 160,726,097 9.94% 101,870,617 6.30% 58%
20th Century Fox 11 137,775,603 8.52% 138,987,930 8.60% -1%
Warner Bros. 7 122,377,512 7.56% 321,550,225 19.90% -62%

Sony to win 2020 it looks like

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Cant tell if y'all are serious but besides Morbius and Venom Sony's slate for the rest of the year sucks. Ghostbusters will probably do fine too but yeah, no. 

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