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Theatrical to VOD window shortening | 17-31 Day theatrical window for Uni | ZERO day window for Warner Bros

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31 minutes ago, OncomingStorm93 said:

Nolan's arrangements with WB includes back-end participation. Can't get back-end without the box office, and I don't see Nolan compromising on the business aspect, much like he doesn't compromise on the on-screen aspect of his films.

I guess it all depends on what the post- pandemic world looks like for movie exhibition. In the short term this doesn’t really affect Nolan as he had his way with Tenet, whereas in the long term if we see major chains go under there might not be much of a choice for him regarding movie theatres or streaming. If he spits his dummy out now and walks away from WB, he might find himself in a situation where Disney or whoever offer him even worse terms than WB’s “theatres and HBO Max” option.

 

We just won’t know for at least a year what the landscape is going to look like going forward, and I’d wager Nolan is playing the waiting game right now. I doubt we’ll see any knee jerk reaction from him either way. Plus, it’d be pretty shitty of him to walk away from them right now after they did what he asked regarding Tenet.

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43 minutes ago, redfirebird2008 said:

 

Universal boycotted theaters because they wanted to put stuff on home video much earlier. Disney wants to go that way as well.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/12/disney-reorganizes-to-focus-on-streaming-direct-to-consumer.html

Universal still cut a deal though, ensuring a cinema-first experience for their theatrical slate for half a month before home release. And their home release model is still pay-per-view, not part of a monthly-billed streaming service.

 

Disney of course is putting an emphasis on streaming. Everyone is. That's a far cry from making your entire slate day-and-date, theaters and streaming service.

 

Neither Universal nor Disney are anywhere near the level of stupidity that ATT is demonstrating today.

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9 minutes ago, OncomingStorm93 said:

Universal still cut a deal though, ensuring a cinema-first experience for their theatrical slate for half a month before home release. And their home release model is still pay-per-view, not part of a monthly-billed streaming service.

 

Disney of course is putting an emphasis on streaming. Everyone is. That's a far cry from making your entire slate day-and-date, theaters and streaming service.

 

Neither Universal nor Disney are anywhere near the level of stupidity that ATT is demonstrating today.

 

I think they are though. AT&T/Warner just gave them cover to go with this type of agenda. 

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1 hour ago, OncomingStorm93 said:

Nolan's arrangements with WB includes back-end participation. Can't get back-end without the box office, and I don't see Nolan compromising on the business aspect, much like he doesn't compromise on the on-screen aspect of his films.

There's still box office. It will just be peanuts compared to 2019 and earlier standards. WB isn't releasing films exclusively on HBO Max, it is just that many (perhaps most) of the domestic audience will consume them that way instead of in theaters.

 

AT&T / WB is not going to backtrack on this. Theater count in the US is going to drop like a rock in 2021 and more content creators will go this route. The writing is on the wall.

 

Disney has D+. I wonder what the other studios are going to do. Universal for example could sell their films (Amazon would be interested I bet), or maybe they'll end up on Hulu in some form. Strange days we're entering.

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1 minute ago, doublejack said:

There's still box office. It will just be peanuts compared to 2019 and earlier standards. WB isn't releasing films exclusively on HBO Max, it is just that many (perhaps most) of the domestic audience will consume them that way instead of in theaters.

 

AT&T / WB is not going to backtrack on this. Theater count in the US is going to drop like a rock in 2021 and more content creators will go this route. The writing is on the wall.

 

Disney has D+. I wonder what the other studios are going to do. Universal for example could sell their films (Amazon would be interested I bet), or maybe they'll end up on Hulu in some form. Strange days we're entering.

 

Universal has Peacock. I would think the likes of Paramount & Lionsgate will end up merging into one of the 3 bigger studios (Disney, Warner, Universal). Disney bought out Fox precisely for the purpose of boosting their Disney Plus archives.

 

Sony might spin off their movie business and send it to one of the big 3 studios. Disney would seem to be the obvious one with the Marvel entanglements at Sony. 

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1 minute ago, redfirebird2008 said:

 

Universal has Peacock. I would think the likes of Paramount & Lionsgate will end up merging into one of the 3 bigger studios (Disney, Warner, Universal). Disney bought out Fox precisely for the purpose of boosting their Disney Plus archives.

 

Sony might spin off their movie business and send it to one of the big 3 studios. Disney would seem to be the obvious one with the Marvel entanglements at Sony. 

I would hope that antitrust laws would prevent Disney from ever buying out anything ever again. 

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5 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:

I would hope that antitrust laws would prevent Disney from ever buying out anything ever again. 

Better yet, antitrust laws stops AT&T from ever buying out a studio again.

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Just now, CloneWars said:

Better yet, antitrust laws stops AT&T from ever buying out a studio again.

Why not both?

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4 hours ago, YourMother the Edgelord said:

Yeah I don’t think we’ll see $1B grossing films for a while now

Who knows maybe Avatar will be the first one. That would be a long drought

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With box office, movies are allowed to make money in big markets like China, 

 

if they moved to streaming, i highly doubt they can launch the similar trick in China

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https://deadline.com/2021/01/nielsen-launches-pvod-measurement-streaming-movie-viewing-1234671892/

 

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With more and more theatrical features being released via premium video on demand [PVOD], Nielsen is launching a dedicated tool to capture movie viewing.

 

The company officially calls it Theatrical Video On-Demand, or TVOD, but the rankings will encompass PVOD titles that have had to skip or curtail theatrical runs due to the coronavirus pandemic. Universal’s Trolls World Tour was an early PVOD trailblazer, and dozens more releases have followed in subsequent months, with the release pattern likely outlast Covid-19. In some cases, as with holiday animated title Croods 2: New Age, a short theatrical run has been set with a PVOD date already established.

 

 

The new measurement tool also will be able to track titles like Mulan, which was made available for an extra charge to subscribers to Disney+, a new twist on the on-demand model that Disney dubs Premier Access. Movies included at no extra charge for subscribers are not part of the new offering, but are measured by Nielsen as part of its U.S. streaming rankings.

 

Details about how frequently or publicly Nielsen will release the PVOD numbers were not spelled out in the announcement. As the traditional media ecosystem has undergone dramatic change, Nielsen has been trying to evolve its offerings and expand beyond linear viewing. Last summer, it added U.S. streaming rankings spanning Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, Hulu and Disney+ and is expected to expand that list to include HBO Max, Peacock and other new entities down the road. In tandem with the PVOD news, Nielsen released its streaming rankings for all of 2020.

 

Up until this point, visibility on PVOD viewing has been somewhat limited, though information on transactions and rentals is shared through some channels.

 

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Comscore Introduces ‘Movies Everywhere’ Cross-Screen Measurement System

 

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With the nature and business of feature films changing almost daily, Comscore has announced “Movies Everywhere,” a new cross-screen measurement system.

 

The offering will provide daily sales reports across various release windows and platforms, including a new reporting system to track box office returns.

 

Census-based box office data and transactional video measurement capabilities will be combined for the first time, the company said. Granular and advanced audience information will now be connected across the box office, transactional on demand video, OTT rentals and streaming views. The aim is to map box office revenue with demographics, audience sentiment and consumer behavior.

 

 

Full story:

https://deadline.com/2021/01/comscore-movies-everywhere-cross-screen-measurement-system-1234679650/

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