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11 hours ago, Menor said:

Kawhi and "Playoff P" with 0 points in the 4th...LOL. Love the Nuggets though. I'm a Spurs fan but born in Colorado so nice to see them playing well. 

Keep making the Jazz look good Nuggets... win the chip

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3 hours ago, TwoMisfits said:

I'd actually hope if they expand the postseason permanently, they again limit the regular season.  140-150 games seems like a good number, since the season gets very, very long...and if they have to do another 10-12 day playoff round, they'll need to cut off time anyway, b/c no one wants baseball at Thanksgiving...

I would hate that.  I mean really really really hate that.

 

On a fundamental level, I just can not wrap my head around the idea that folks want less baseball during the regular season.

 

Baseball is good because... baseball is good.  I don't need the World Series or playoffs to validate watching a game in the middle of July.  I've often heard those as "meaningless games", and I just can't understand it on some level.

 

They only are meaningless if winning the World Series is the only thing that matters.  Or winning in the playoffs is the only thing that is strived for.  I am one of those suckers that thinks each and every game of baseball has an intrinsic value outside of playoff considerations.

 

Okay, sure.  I actually do understand the mindset; I just hugely disagree with it.  Because I actually like baseball as a game, even the stinkers and so-called "meaningless games".

 

(and, yes, I certainly wouldn't mind baseball in Thanksgiving; only consideration is weather)

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1 hour ago, Porthos said:

I would hate that.  I mean really really really hate that.

 

On a fundamental level, I just can not wrap my head around the idea that folks want less baseball during the regular season.

 

Baseball is good because... baseball is good.  I don't need the World Series or playoffs to validate watching a game in the middle of July.  I've often heard those as "meaningless games", and I just can't understand it on some level.

 

They only are meaningless if winning the World Series is the only thing that matters.  Or winning in the playoffs is the only thing that is strived for.  I am one of those suckers that thinks each and every game of baseball has an intrinsic value outside of playoff considerations.

 

Okay, sure.  I actually do understand the mindset; I just hugely disagree with it.  Because I actually like baseball as a game, even the stinkers and so-called "meaningless games".

 

(and, yes, I certainly wouldn't mind baseball in Thanksgiving; only consideration is weather)

Agreed. I mean, I kinda have to agree that regular season games are meaningful as a fan of a team that hasn’t been in the playoffs in almost two decades, but still. ;)

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3 hours ago, Porthos said:

I would hate that.  I mean really really really hate that.

 

On a fundamental level, I just can not wrap my head around the idea that folks want less baseball during the regular season.

 

Baseball is good because... baseball is good.  I don't need the World Series or playoffs to validate watching a game in the middle of July.  I've often heard those as "meaningless games", and I just can't understand it on some level.

 

They only are meaningless if winning the World Series is the only thing that matters.  Or winning in the playoffs is the only thing that is strived for.  I am one of those suckers that thinks each and every game of baseball has an intrinsic value outside of playoff considerations.

 

Okay, sure.  I actually do understand the mindset; I just hugely disagree with it.  Because I actually like baseball as a game, even the stinkers and so-called "meaningless games".

 

(and, yes, I certainly wouldn't mind baseball in Thanksgiving; only consideration is weather)

Well, it's not just weather...it's also whether you can sell all the games plus the extra playoffs...I had thought many places are already struggling to sell onsite regular season game tickets, so just like theaters currently cutting unprofitable showings to just run 4s and 7s on M-Th, this would be baseball doing the same on a small level:)...not a HUGE change, but one that probably works from a cost/revenue perspective - more playoffs vs regular season is always more money...and I doubt players will want to add 7 more possible games and 14 days to every year, so something will need to give a little...

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29 minutes ago, TwoMisfits said:

Well, it's not just weather...it's also whether you can sell all the games plus the extra playoffs...I had thought many places are already struggling to sell onsite regular season game tickets, so just like theaters currently cutting unprofitable showings to just run 4s and 7s on M-Th, this would be baseball doing the same on a small level:)...not a HUGE change, but one that probably works from a cost/revenue perspective - more playoffs vs regular season is always more money...and I doubt players will want to add 7 more possible games and 14 days to every year, so something will need to give a little...

Historically, baseball attendance is in pretty good shape.  It's been in a slow decline the last couple of years years, but compared to 70s and 80s, it's very very healthy.  And even the two year blip could be noise.

 

Year	Overall	    Per Game
2019	68,506,896	28,203
2018	69,671,272	28,659
2017	72,678,797	29,908
2016	73,159,044	30,131
2015	73,719,340	30,349
2014	73,739,622	30,345
2013	74,027,037	30,451
2012	74,859,268	30,806
2011	73,425,667	30,228
2010	73,061,763	30,066
2009	73,430,580	30,218
2008	78,624,315	32,382
2007	79,484,718	32,696
2006	76,043,902	31,306
2005	74,915,268	30,816
2004	73,022,972	30,075
2003	67,630,052	27,831
2002	67,944,389	28,006
2001	72,581,101	29,881
2000	71,358,907	29,377
1999	70,139,380	28,887
1998	70,601,147	29,030
1997	63,168,689	27,876
1996	60,097,381	26,509
Year	Attendance	Attend/G
1995	50,469,236	25,021
1994	50,010,016	31,256
1993	70,257,938	30,964
1992	55,870,466	26,529
1991	56,813,760	27,002
1990	54,823,768	26,044
1989	55,173,096	26,198
1988	52,998,904	25,237
1987	52,011,506	24,708
1986	47,506,203	22,589
1985	46,824,379	22,265
1984	44,742,863	21,255
1983	45,540,338	21,593
1982	44,587,874	21,161
1981	26,544,376	19,041
1980	43,014,136	20,434
1979	43,550,398	20,748
1978	40,636,886	19,332
1977	38,709,779	18,406
1976	31,318,331	16,151
1975	29,789,913	15,403
1974	30,025,608	15,437
1973	30,108,926	15,496
1972	26,968,268	14,506
1971	29,193,417	15,063

 

I'm just not seeing much when it comes to attendance.  Nothing worth throwing the apple cart over, at least.

 

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When it comes to playoffs? I actually wouldn't mind a small expansion.  Turn the Wild Card series into a best of three and give the #1 (and maybe #2) seed a bye.  But 16 teams out of 30 is way way waaaaaaaaaaay too many.  Even 16 teams out of 32 is too much. 12 teams seems like a good sweet spot to me. I would grudgingly accept 14, but I would only want to see it if two more teams were added to the league.

 

16 out of 30 though?  Flat out ridiculous.

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NSW stadiums can go up to 50% capacity now. It means the NRL Grand Final can have 40,000 in attendance. 
 

@Porthos

 

8 out of 16 teams make the NRL Finals. The NRL Grand Final is in Sydney as usual this year at the Olympic Stadium (ANZ Stadium). 
 

8 out of 18 teams make the AFL Finals. For the first time ever (since the late 1800’s) the AFL Grand Final will be played outside Melbourne in Brisbane. 

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The total bloodbath of serious injuries to star players yesterday in the NFL is a direct result of the limited preseason training and pre season games due to COvid.. A lot of sports expert were predicting this. Yes, the players kept themselves in good individual shape, but only preseason team training and practice can get you into NFL football shape.

 

 

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Rob Drake did not have a good game calling balls and strikes and that is all I have to say about that game.

 

(seriously, Eric Gregg, were he still with us, would have looked at that zone and said "tighten it up a bit, bro")

 

Just flat out disgusting.

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And, no, the Giants didn't deserve to be in the playoffs.  Not with the three losses this weekend where they should have won two of the games (this game the bullpen gagged all over itself).

 

But, sakes alive, was that a terrible strike zone.  Floating all over the place with pitches half a foot off the plate/below the strike zone called strikes.

 

The only thing I can possibly say in defense of him is that he did it to both teams.

 

Just such a... 2020 way to end the season:

 

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It wasn't a banner year for either of my teams (though the Mariners played better than I expected and showed they have some pieces for the future), but I'm quite happy that MLB made it through the full 60-game slate. The expanded playoffs, weird as they still feel (two sub-.500 teams!), should be fun.

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On 9/29/2020 at 10:10 AM, Porthos said:

Sigh.

 

 

 

So it begins.

 

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Just announced 11,000+ tickets will be on sale for the NLCS and WS games in Globe Life Field in Arlington, Texas.

 

About 25% capacity or so.

 

😕 

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6 minutes ago, Porthos said:

Just announced 11,000+ tickets will be on sale for the NLCS and WS games in Globe Life Field in Arlington, Texas.

 

About 25% capacity or so.

 

😕 

 

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The NRL Grand Final has been moved from the Sydney Cricket Ground to ANZ Stadium (Sydney Olympic Stadium) and will have 50% capacity with 40,000 in attendance.

 

 

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We're getting a Dodgers-Yankees World Series aren't we? 

 

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9 hours ago, Porthos said:

We're getting a Dodgers-Yankees World Series aren't we? 

 

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I would say "Nah," but I mentioned that I was feeling a big Cleveland run in an offline conversation a couple days ago, so I've resigned myself to not really being able to predict how all of this is gonna shake out.

 

The big X-factor here is that nobody has played a team outside of their division or the corresponding one in the other league (sans spring training) in an entire year. I feel like that means anything can happen in an interdivision matchup.

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